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Social Security missing earnings from 1983 - need advice before FRA in May

I'm turning FRA (Full Retirement Age) on May 1 and just discovered my earnings record is missing $6,750 from September-December 1983 when I worked at a private high school. This is particularly important because 1983 falls within my top 35 years for benefit calculation. Ironically, this same school failed to report my earnings in 1991 too, which I managed to correct years ago! I've gathered documentation including my December pay stub showing YTD earnings, but my W2 is practically unreadable now. I've requested a 1983 transcript from the IRS. When I called SSA about this, they scheduled a phone appointment for April 7 and told me to WAIT to file until then, saying they'd help me file by phone and that it shouldn't cause any delay since my first payment would come mid-June anyway. The weird part? I just received a letter claiming I had discussed SSI eligibility with them (which I absolutely did NOT) and that I've been deemed ineligible. I'm wondering if there's some mix-up with my case. I'll be retiring from my teaching job on May 23, so my 2025 earnings will eventually replace a lower year. My questions: 1. Will my 2025 earnings automatically replace 1983 in October 2025 or not until 2026? 2. Should I just go ahead and file now rather than waiting for the April 7 appointment? 3. Roughly how much money am I losing if this missing 1983 income isn't corrected? (I know it's probably minimal) 4. If I wait until April 7 and they fix it, will I get all money owed even if payments start late? 5. If I file now, I have to check the box saying my earnings are correct. Can I still fix the 1983 issue afterwards?

I went through something very similar when I filed for benefits at my FRA. Here's what I learned from my experience: Definitely file your retirement application now rather than waiting until April 7th. The filing date is what matters for when your benefits start, not when you resolve earnings record issues. I made the mistake of delaying my filing to "clean up" my record first and it cost me benefits. For the earnings record issue, you can handle this in two ways: either check that your record is correct and file a separate SSA-7008 form to correct the 1983 earnings, or mention the discrepancy in the remarks section when you file online. I did the latter and it worked fine - my application processed normally while they worked on the correction separately. That SSI letter sounds like a case mix-up. Definitely mention it during your April 7th call, but don't let it delay your retirement filing. These administrative errors happen more often than they should. One tip: when you get your IRS transcript, that will be your strongest evidence for the missing earnings. Pay stubs are good, but the IRS record showing you filed taxes on that income is usually what gets SSA to make the correction quickly. The financial impact of $6,750 from 1983 is probably around $15-20 per month in today's benefits, but over your lifetime that adds up. Still worth pursuing, but not worth delaying your application over.

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As someone who just went through this process myself, I strongly recommend filing your retirement application immediately - don't wait until April 7th! The protective filing date is crucial and waiting could cost you benefits. Here's what I'd suggest based on my experience: 1. File online this weekend and in the remarks section, note something like: "Missing earnings from Sept-Dec 1983 (~$6,750) from [school name]. Have documentation and scheduled SSA appointment 4/7/25 to resolve." 2. Keep your April 7th appointment to work on the earnings correction - they can help you file Form SSA-7008 if needed. 3. That strange SSI letter is definitely an error - probably a case mix-up. Mention it during your call but don't let it delay your retirement filing. 4. Your 2025 teaching earnings will automatically be evaluated in 2026 after your W-2 is processed, with any benefit increase retroactive to January 2026. The missing 1983 earnings will probably only impact your monthly benefit by $15-25, but it's still worth correcting. The key is getting your retirement benefits started on time while pursuing the correction separately. I've seen too many people delay filing to "fix everything first" and lose money as a result. Once you get that IRS transcript, you'll have solid evidence to support your claim. The SSA typically accepts tax transcripts as proof of unreported earnings.

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This is exactly the advice I needed to hear! I was getting anxious about waiting versus filing, but you're absolutely right - I shouldn't delay my application just to get everything perfect first. I'm going to file online this weekend and include that note in the remarks section. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's so helpful to hear from someone who actually went through this process recently.

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After using that service I mentioned to reach SSA, they explained to me that my husband's PIA was the key number I needed to know. Once I had that, I could calculate 50% of it and compare to my own benefit. Has your husband ever received a Social Security statement that might show his PIA? That could save you some time.

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I'll ask him to check his online account. He's not very computer savvy but I can help him log in. Thanks for the suggestion!

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I'm in a similar situation as a retired teacher dealing with WEP! One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all the different benefit amounts people mentioned to me. I listed my own WEP-reduced benefit, the estimated spousal benefit (50% of husband's PIA), and factored in GPO reductions where applicable. It made it much easier when I finally got through to SSA to have all the numbers organized. Also, if you do decide to visit your local office like Zainab mentioned, I'd recommend calling ahead to make an appointment - it saves a lot of waiting time. The staff there were much more knowledgeable about the teacher pension interactions than the phone representatives I spoke with.

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I'm in a very similar situation and have been researching this extensively. Here's what I've learned that might help: The Medicare angle is HUGE - without 40 quarters, you'll pay around $505/month for Part A (over $6,000/year). That alone makes getting those 4 quarters worth it financially. For 2025, you need $1,740 in covered earnings per quarter, so about $7,000 total. You could potentially earn this in just a few months of part-time work. Regarding your ex-spouse benefits - you're already eligible since you were married 16 years, but GPO will likely reduce them significantly. However, having your own 40 quarters gives you options and Medicare eligibility regardless. I'd suggest: 1) Use the SSA calculators to estimate your exact GPO impact, 2) Consider the Medicare savings as the primary benefit, not Social Security payments, 3) Maybe look into seasonal work or consulting that you'd actually enjoy. The system is definitely confusing, but the Medicare piece makes it a clearer decision in my opinion.

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm new to navigating all these government benefit programs and the Medicare angle really puts things in perspective. Paying over $6,000 annually for Part A versus working part-time for a few months to earn those 4 quarters seems like a no-brainer when you frame it that way. I hadn't considered seasonal work or consulting - that's a great suggestion since I could potentially find something I'd actually enjoy rather than just viewing it as a chore to get the quarters. Thanks for laying out the decision-making framework so clearly!

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As someone who went through a similar CSRS/Social Security situation, I'd strongly recommend focusing on the Medicare benefits rather than the Social Security payments. The $6,000+ annual savings on Medicare Part A premiums alone makes those 4 quarters worthwhile. I ended up taking a part-time job at a local library for about 6 months - earned just over the $7,000 needed and actually enjoyed the work. My Social Security benefit is minimal due to WEP, and GPO eliminated most of my spousal benefits, but having Medicare Part A premium-free has saved me thousands. One tip: You can create a my Social Security account online to see your current earnings record and get benefit estimates. This might give you a clearer picture before you decide whether to pursue those additional quarters.

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To answer your question about WEP applying to disability: Yes, WEP applies to both Social Security retirement and disability benefits (SSDI). Unfortunately, there's no way to completely avoid the WEP reduction if you receive a non-covered pension and don't have 30 years of substantial earnings under Social Security. However, for your appeal, make sure they correctly applied the guarantee provision, which ensures your benefit won't be reduced by more than half of your pension amount. You should also verify they counted all your years of covered employment correctly, as sometimes earnings records have errors that affect the WEP calculation.

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This is so helpful. I never even knew about this guarantee provision or that I should check my earnings record. I'll definitely look into both before my appeal. You've given me some concrete things to research and ask about. Thank you!

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I've been dealing with SSA paperwork for years and found that creating your own personal glossary can be really helpful. I keep a simple document where I write down each acronym as I encounter it, along with the definition in my own words. It's saved me so much time! Also, when you're reviewing your denial letter, pay special attention to any calculations they show - sometimes they'll use multiple acronyms in one formula (like PIA = f(AIME) adjusted for WEP) and breaking it down step by step makes it much clearer. Don't feel bad about being confused - even some SSA employees I've spoken with have admitted the terminology is unnecessarily complex!

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Thank you all for the helpful information! I'll definitely make sure my wife stays on SSDI until her Full Retirement Age rather than switching at 62. And we'll be super careful about documenting all her work hours and reporting everything properly during her trial work period. It sounds like the most important things are: 1) Keep good records, 2) Report all work activity to SSA right away, and 3) Understand that the trial work period rules continue as normal even after turning 62. I'll check out that Claimyr service too - anything to avoid days of busy signals when trying to clarify questions with SSA!

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You've got it exactly right! One more tip - when your wife reports her work activity, use the SSA-821 form (Work Activity Report) and keep copies of EVERYTHING. I learned this the hard way when SSA lost my husband's work reports twice and we had to resubmit them.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation - my husband is 60 on SSDI and considering a trial work period. One thing I wanted to add that might help others: make sure to keep track of not just earnings but also hours worked, even if you're paid hourly below the SGA threshold. SSA sometimes looks at work capacity beyond just dollar amounts. Also, if your wife does decide to pursue the trial work period, consider starting with very part-time hours to test the waters gradually. The 9-month trial period doesn't have to be consecutive, so she can spread it out over several years if needed. Good luck to both of you - navigating SSA rules is tough but this community really helps clarify things!

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This is such great advice about tracking hours worked, not just earnings! I hadn't thought about that aspect. Your point about spreading out the trial work period over several years is really smart too - that gives more flexibility to test different types of work or adjust if health conditions change. It's reassuring to know the 9 months don't have to be consecutive. Did your husband end up going through with his trial work period? I'd be curious to hear how it went if you're comfortable sharing.

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