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Update: I submitted the form with my brother listed and his current jail address, with a note that he's being transferred soon. The SSA rep I finally spoke with (thanks for the Claimyr suggestion!) said that was exactly the right approach. She also said I should contact them once he's transferred to update his address in their system. Thanks everyone for your help!

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Glad to hear it worked out! Keep all documentation of your representative payee application and approval. You'll need to submit the annual accounting form (SSA-623) every year, so start keeping good records of how you manage your mother's benefits. This will make the annual reporting much easier.

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Great to see this worked out for you! Just wanted to add for anyone else in a similar situation - when dealing with incarcerated family members on SSA forms, it's also helpful to keep a record of the facility's booking number or inmate ID if you have it. This can make it easier for SSA to verify the information if they need to. Also, most correctional facilities have specific procedures for official mail, so when you do need to update SSA with the new prison address later, make sure you get the complete mailing format from the facility (they often require specific formatting with inmate numbers, housing units, etc.).

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make sure u bring ALL ur paperwork to that appointment!!! birth certificates, marriage certificate, death certificate, workers comp award letter, tax returns, EVERYTHING. my aunt forgot one document and had to reschedule the whole thing and wait another month!!

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Noah Ali

Thanks for the reminder! I'll definitely make a checklist of all documents to bring. I already have copies of everything ready in a folder, but I'll double-check that I'm not missing anything important.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Noah. Losing a spouse so young is devastating, and navigating all these benefit questions while grieving is incredibly difficult. I wanted to add something that might be helpful - when you have your SSA appointment, consider asking them to run a "what-if" scenario analysis. They can show you the exact dollar amounts for different claiming strategies (survivor benefits now vs. waiting, switching timelines, etc.) based on your specific work history and your husband's earnings record. Also, since you're dealing with both workers comp death benefits AND Social Security, you might want to contact your state's workers compensation board to ask specifically about any coordination of benefits rules. Some states have provisions that could affect how these benefits interact, and it's better to know upfront rather than discover issues later. One last thought - if you do decide to retire in June as planned, make sure to notify SSA immediately when your earnings stop. They can adjust your benefits effective that month rather than waiting until the end of the year, which could mean receiving benefits sooner than you think. Wishing you the best as you navigate this complex situation. You're asking all the right questions!

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you Oliver! The "what-if" scenario analysis sounds extremely helpful - I didn't know SSA could do that kind of detailed comparison. I'll definitely ask for that at my appointment. And you're absolutely right about checking with the state workers comp board too. I've been so focused on the federal Social Security rules that I hadn't thought about potential state-level coordination issues. Better to understand all the moving pieces now. The timing tip about notifying SSA immediately when earnings stop is gold - I was thinking I'd have to wait until year-end to see any benefit changes. If I can start receiving benefits in June when I actually retire rather than waiting until January, that could make a significant financial difference. Thank you for taking the time to provide such thoughtful guidance during what really is an overwhelming time.

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my mom got my dads full benefit when he died and they were married when he passed but she had to be 60 to get it i think. they told her if she remarried she'd lose it so she never did even though she had a boyfriend for 15 years lol

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Your mom's situation is slightly different since she wasn't divorced. For widows/widowers, remarriage before age 60 prevents eligibility for survivor benefits on the deceased spouse's record. If someone remarries after age 60, they can still collect survivor benefits from their deceased spouse. This is why some people in long-term relationships choose not to legally remarry - to preserve their survivor benefits.

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This is such valuable information - thank you everyone for sharing your experiences! I had no idea about any of these rules. It sounds like I should definitely keep my marriage certificate and divorce decree in an easily accessible place, and maybe write down my ex's SSN if I can find it. One follow-up question: since I'm already 64 and collecting my own reduced benefit (started at 62), would it make sense to look into applying for divorced spouse benefits now while he's alive? Or would that complicate things later when applying for survivor benefits? I don't want to mess anything up by applying for the wrong thing at the wrong time. Also, is there any way to find out what his current benefit amount is without contacting him directly? We really haven't spoken since the divorce and I'd prefer to keep it that way.

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Lim Wong

i had a friend who just ignored the overpayment notices and nothing happened for like a year then they started taking $75 out of her check each month. she said its better than paying it all back at once

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This is extremely risky advice. If you ignore overpayment notices, SSA can and will eventually: 1. Take up to 100% of your SSDI check 2. Garnish tax refunds 3. Report to credit bureaus 4. Eventually refer to Treasury for collection Always respond to overpayment notices even if you disagree with them. Filing a proper appeal stops collection while the appeal is pending, which protects your benefits while you fight the decision properly.

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I went through almost the exact same situation last year with my SSDI overpayment. The key thing that saved me was getting a complete copy of my SSA file through a Freedom of Information Act request - it showed exactly when they received my workers' comp information and that they had it when they calculated my backpay. Also, don't let them rush you into accepting a payment plan! If your brother truly wasn't at fault (which it sounds like he wasn't), he should be able to get the entire overpayment waived. I almost agreed to pay $50/month because I was so stressed, but my advocate told me to hold out for full waiver. It took 8 months but they eventually approved it. One more tip - if he has to do a phone conference, ask for it to be recorded. They're required to do this if you request it, and it protects you if they misrepresent what was said. The recording becomes part of your official file.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! The FOIA request is brilliant - I hadn't thought of that but it makes perfect sense to get the complete file showing exactly what they knew and when. Eight months sounds like a long time to wait but getting the full waiver approved must have been such a relief. I'm definitely going to tell my brother about requesting the phone conference be recorded. That's really smart protection, especially since he's already had different representatives tell him conflicting things. Did you have to do anything special to request the recording, or just ask when they called? Your point about not rushing into a payment plan is so important too. The stress of this whole situation makes you want to just agree to anything to make it go away, but you're absolutely right that he should hold out for the full waiver if he wasn't at fault.

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Just to address your complicating factors - with a government pension where you didn't pay into Social Security, you definitely want to speak with someone directly. The WEP/GPO provisions are complex, and the online system doesn't give personalized guidance on how these will affect your specific benefit amount. The good news is that while you're waiting for your in-person appointment, you can still create a my Social Security account online and review your earnings history. This gives you time to identify any errors in your record and gather documentation to correct them if needed. Sometimes old employers aren't properly recorded or earnings are missing, and fixing these issues before you apply can increase your benefit amount.

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Great suggestion! I've actually had my online account for a couple years and have been checking my earnings record annually. Luckily everything looks accurate there. I'll go ahead and make that in-person appointment and use the WEP calculator while I wait. I appreciate everyone's help!

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I was in a similar situation last year - really nervous about applying online but didn't want to wait months for an appointment. I ended up doing a hybrid approach that worked well for me. I started the online application just to see what information they were asking for, then printed out all the questions and gathered my documents. I didn't submit it though. Instead, I called the national number (1-800-772-1213) early in the morning around 8 AM when wait times are shorter and had them walk me through the trickier parts over the phone. Then I went back online and completed it with confidence. The phone rep was actually really helpful and caught a mistake I would have made about my benefit start date. Might be worth trying this approach while you're waiting for your in-person appointment - gives you a backup plan if you decide you're comfortable enough to proceed online!

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That's such a smart approach! I never thought about using the online application as a "practice run" to see what documents I'd need before actually submitting. The hybrid method sounds perfect for someone like me who wants to be extra careful but also doesn't want to wait forever. I'll definitely try calling early in the morning - thanks for the tip about 8 AM having shorter wait times. It's reassuring to know the phone reps can catch mistakes too. This gives me a good middle ground while I'm waiting for my appointment!

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