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I'm completely confused about survivor benefits and need some guidance. I'm turning 62 soon and trying to decide when to claim my Social Security. My FRA is 67, but if I take benefits at 62, I'd receive about $850/month. My husband is 5 years younger than me and plans to work until his FRA (67), when he should get around $1600-1900/month depending on his earnings over the next decade. My big question is: If my husband passes away before me, how much of his benefit would I receive on top of mine? Is there some kind of "top off" amount? I know there's a term for this but I can't remember what it's called. If I don't take SS at 62, I'll definitely claim at 65. Would waiting those extra 3 years make a big difference in what I'd get as a widow later? This whole system is so complicated and I'm worried about making the wrong choice. Thanks for any help!
I recently turned 60 and finally decided to file for survivor benefits from my late husband who passed away in 2010 at age 58. I've been putting this off for years, but with the way prices keep rising, I figured I should at least get something while continuing to work. During my application interview last week, the SSA rep explained that because I'm still working full-time making about $87,000 annually, they'll likely withhold about 6-7 months of benefits each year due to the earnings test. I was prepared for this restriction. However, I'm confused about what happens to those withheld benefits. When I specifically asked the claims representative, she told me that any money withheld because I earn too much would be returned to me as a lump sum when I reach my full retirement age (which is 67 for me). This doesn't match what I thought I understood about the process. I was under the impression that SSA recalculates and increases my monthly payment at FRA to account for months of withheld benefits. Can anyone clarify how this actually works? Do I really get a lump sum payment at FRA for all those withheld survivor benefits, or is it added to my monthly payment going forward? I want to make sure I'm planning correctly for the next 7 years.
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I think I understand better now - it sounds like at FRA, they'll automatically adjust my benefit amount going forward to account for months when benefits were withheld due to my earnings. I'll definitely keep detailed records of which months have benefits withheld and how much is withheld each year. I'm still a bit confused about the possibility of a lump sum that one person mentioned their sister received. I wonder if that might have been related to something else or maybe a retroactive payment of some kind? Either way, it sounds like I'm on the right track claiming survivor benefits now while continuing to work, and then letting my own retirement benefit grow until 70. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this complicated process!
You're welcome! Your strategy sounds solid. The lump sum mentioned could have been retroactive benefits if her sister filed after FRA, or possibly underpayments being corrected. For your case, just keep good records of your earnings and which months benefits are withheld, and you should be fine. The adjustment at FRA should happen automatically, but it never hurts to follow up when you reach that age to make sure it was processed correctly.
I went through something very similar when I started my survivor benefits at 62. The earnings test can definitely be confusing, especially when you get different explanations from different SSA representatives. From my experience, what happens is that SSA keeps track of all the months when your benefits were reduced or withheld due to the earnings test. Then at your FRA, they automatically recalculate your benefit to give you credit for those months - essentially treating you as if you had filed later than you actually did. This results in a permanently higher monthly benefit going forward. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: make sure you understand exactly how much you're allowed to earn each year without penalty. The earnings limit changes annually, and in 2024 it's $22,320 for people under FRA. Any earnings above that amount result in $1 being withheld for every $2 you earn over the limit. Also, keep copies of all your annual earnings statements and any correspondence from SSA about benefit adjustments. This documentation becomes really helpful if you need to verify the recalculation was done correctly at FRA. Your strategy of claiming survivor benefits now while letting your own retirement benefit grow until 70 is exactly what I did, and it worked out well financially. Good luck with everything!
So confused right now. I just checked my SSA account and saw I was approved for something called 'Surviving Spouse Disability Benefits' on May 22, 2024. I originally thought I was applying for regular disability (SSDI), but now I'm not sure what I actually got approved for. The notification says they 'processed 5 of 5 steps' and approved my application, but I don't understand if this is the same as SSDI or something totally different? Does anyone know what these 'Surviving Spouse Disability' benefits are compared to regular disability? Will I get the same amount? My husband passed away 3 years ago if that matters. Just really confused about what I'm actually getting here.
One important thing to understand about these benefits - you might be eligible to switch to retirement benefits on your own record when you reach age 62 if that would pay more. Or you could switch to regular survivor benefits (not disability) when you reach full retirement age. It's worth having a benefits planning session with SSA once you're settled into these payments to understand your future options.
I'm sorry for your loss, and congratulations on your approval! As others have mentioned, this is actually a great outcome. Surviving Spouse Disability Benefits can often provide better monthly payments than regular SSDI, especially if your husband had higher lifetime earnings. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure to keep SSA updated if you ever remarry, as that could affect these benefits. Also, if you have any dependent children under 18 (or disabled adult children), they might be eligible for additional benefits on your husband's record too. The fact that you got approved on your first application is really remarkable given how strict the process has become. Take some time to process this good news - you've got financial security coming your way during what I'm sure has been an incredibly difficult time.
I'm about to turn 67 next month (February) and called SSA in November to switch from my survivor benefits to my own retirement benefits starting February for the first payment in March. Now I'm totally confused by the mixed messages I'm getting! First, I got a notice confirming my application with all my correct info on it - great! But then I received another letter saying SSA spoke with me recently and I need to go online to apply for benefits (huh?). When I checked my MySocialSecurity account, it shows my claim is approved but will remain "pending" until my start month. So which is it? Do I need to apply again or not? I'm planning to call tomorrow, but the wait times are ridiculous, and I don't want to waste hours if my application is already processed. Has anyone else dealt with conflicting notices when switching from survivor to retirement benefits? I've been on survivor benefits for 5 years since my husband passed, if that matters. Really appreciate any insights before I spend half my day on hold!
When I switched from my disability to retirement benefits last year, I got three different notices that all contradicted each other. One said I was approved, one said I needed to apply, and another had an incorrect benefit amount. I finally got it straightened out, but it took multiple calls. My advice is to keep a file with copies of EVERYTHING they send you. Take notes during every phone call including the representative's name and ID number. The SSA systems don't always communicate with each other, so having your own documentation is crucial. Also, don't be surprised if your first payment at the new benefit amount is slightly delayed. Mine was about 2 weeks late, but they eventually got it right with the correct amount.
I went through this exact same situation about 8 months ago when I switched from survivor benefits to my own retirement at 67. The conflicting letters are unfortunately very common - SSA's different computer systems don't always sync up properly. Based on your description, you're in good shape! The MySocialSecurity account showing "approved but pending" is the most reliable indicator. That second letter telling you to apply online was almost certainly an automated notice that didn't recognize your phone application. A few things that helped me when I was in your shoes: - Screenshot your MySocialSecurity status page for your records - When you do call, ask them to confirm the exact benefit amount and start date - Make sure they have your correct Direct Deposit info on file The wait times are brutal, but if it gives you peace of mind, it's worth one call to confirm everything is set up correctly. My first payment at the new rate came right on schedule despite all the confusing paperwork I received beforehand. You should be all set, but I understand wanting that extra confirmation!
My husband and I both took early retirement at 60 after working high-income jobs (top tax bracket) for 25 years. We're now 62 and only earning about $22,500 each annually from rental properties. We're planning to wait until our full retirement age (67) to claim Social Security benefits. What's worrying me is whether these 5+ years without paying into Social Security will reduce our eventual benefits. I know SS uses your highest 35 years of earnings, but does having $0 earnings in the most recent years before claiming negatively impact the calculation? Are we making a mistake by not working part-time jobs just to keep contributing to the system? Any insights would be appreciated!
btw make sure u look at spousal benefits too...might be worth having lower earner take early and higher earner wait. thats what my parents did
This strategy has changed since the 2015 budget act eliminated some file-and-suspend and restricted application options. Today, spousal benefits are automatically combined with your own retirement benefit, and you get the higher of the two amounts. Still worth calculating different claiming strategies though.
As someone who works in financial planning, I can confirm what others have said - you're in great shape! With 25+ years of high earnings, those zero years won't significantly impact your benefits. The Social Security formula is progressive, meaning it replaces a higher percentage of lower earnings, so your high-earning years already put you near the maximum benefit range. One thing I'd suggest is running the numbers on delaying to age 70 vs claiming at 67. With your strong earnings history, that guaranteed 8% annual increase could be substantial over your lifetime, especially since you have rental income to bridge the gap. Also, don't forget that your Social Security benefits will be partially taxable given your other income sources.
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One additional tip - when you're ready to apply, you can schedule an appointment at your local SSA office to discuss all these options. They can run calculations specific to your situation and help you understand all the implications. Just be aware that getting an appointment might take several weeks. Start that process well before you plan to claim benefits.
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Zainab Ismail
good luck with that!! my mom waited 2 MONTHS for an appointment and then they canceled it day before!! ๐
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FireflyDreams
As someone who just went through this process myself at 62, I wanted to share what I learned. The key thing that helped me decide was understanding that survivor benefits are completely separate from your own retirement benefits in terms of calculation. I ended up claiming at 62 because I realized that even though my monthly amount would be reduced, it wouldn't impact what I'd get as a widow later if my husband predeceases me. Plus, I figured getting something now while we're both healthy gives us more flexibility for things like home improvements or helping our kids. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier - make sure you and your husband both create my Social Security accounts online. You can see all your projected benefits at different claiming ages, and it makes these conversations so much easier when you have the actual numbers in front of you rather than estimates.
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