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Looking at what you described, I think you're misinterpreting the calculator results. The Re-indexed Widow Amount (RIW) is part of a complex calculation called the RIB-LIM rule that SSA uses for survivor benefits. It's not the final amount you'll receive. Since you're only 62, your survivor benefit will be reduced because you're claiming before your FRA. The reduction is approximately 0.396% per month before your FRA. The $2,675 figure might represent the full PIA amount, but your actual benefit would be reduced for early claiming. I'd estimate you'd receive closer to $2,175-$2,225 if you claim now versus waiting until your FRA for the full amount. When you have your phone appointment, ask specifically about the difference between claiming now versus waiting, and make sure they're accounting for the WEP/GPO repeal in their calculations.
Thank you so much for explaining! That makes much more sense. I've been looking at the RIW amount thinking it was my actual benefit. I'll definitely ask about the difference between claiming now versus at my FRA during my appointment. Is there anything specific I should mention about the WEP/GPO repeal to make sure they're calculating it correctly? I've heard some people say the SSA reps are still figuring out how to implement the changes.
I had the same issue when calculating my survivor benefits last year! The SSA detailed calculator is NOT user-friendly at all. When I finally got through to SSA (after calling for 3 straight days), the representative explained that I was looking at the wrong section. For survivor benefits before FRA, they apply a reduction factor based on how many months early you're claiming. In my case, claiming at 63 resulted in about a 13% reduction from what I would have received at my FRA. If you're having trouble getting through to SSA, I'd recommend using Claimyr.com - it saved me hours of frustration. They connect you directly to an SSA agent, usually within 10-30 minutes instead of waiting on hold all day. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The SSA agent can calculate your exact benefit amount with the reduction factors applied correctly.
That service sounds helpful! My appointment isn't for another month, and I'm anxious to know the numbers sooner. Did the SSA agent you talked to seem knowledgeable about all the WEP/GPO changes? I'm worried they might not calculate it correctly since the repeal is still relatively new.
The agent I spoke with was actually very knowledgeable about the WEP/GPO repeal! They had all the updated information and were able to walk me through exactly how the changes affected my situation. Since the repeal went into effect at the beginning of this year, most of the representatives seem to have been trained on the new rules. Just make sure to mention upfront that you have a government pension so they know to factor in the GPO elimination when calculating your survivor benefits. The difference can be substantial - in some cases hundreds of dollars per month that would have been reduced under the old rules.
To clarify the earlier discussion about benefit amounts: If your ex-husband passes away, the survivor benefit you'd be eligible for would be subject to the RIB-LIM rule that another commenter mentioned. This rule means that your survivor benefit would be limited to the higher of: 1. The reduced benefit your ex-husband was receiving, or 2. 82.5% of his Primary Insurance Amount (PIA, which is what he would have received at his FRA) This is why it's critical to speak with SSA about your specific case - the calculations are complex and depend on multiple factors including your ex-husband's age when he claimed benefits, his PIA, and when you would claim the survivor benefits. Regarding switching benefits: If your own reduced retirement benefit is less than what your potential survivor benefit would be, SSA will automatically supplement your benefit up to the survivor amount when you apply for survivor benefits after your ex passes away.
I'm so sorry to hear about your ex-husband's condition and the stress you're going through trying to get answers from SSA. Based on what others have shared here, it sounds like you're in a complex situation that really needs personalized guidance. From what I understand reading through these responses, the key points seem to be: - Your early filing for retirement benefits shouldn't affect future survivor benefits - You can only receive one benefit at a time (whichever is higher) - The survivor benefit calculation involves complex rules like RIB-LIM that depend on your specific circumstances Given that you've already started receiving your retirement benefits and your ex-husband is in hospice, I'd strongly recommend trying that Claimyr service someone mentioned to actually speak with an SSA representative. With such a time-sensitive and emotionally difficult situation, you really need someone who can look at both your records and give you personalized advice about your best options going forward. Thinking of you during this difficult time. I hope you're able to get the guidance you need soon.
Just wanted to update everyone. I was finally able to speak with someone at SSA thanks to the Claimyr service mentioned above. The agent confirmed that foreign pensions don't trigger GPO (and never did). I've been approved for spousal benefits with 6 months of retroactive payments for now. I'm also filing the misinformation claim (SSA-795) to try to get benefits back to when my wife first started collecting in 2020. The agent seemed to think I have a strong case since their own published materials contained contradictory information. I'll update again when I hear about the misinformation claim. Thanks everyone for your helpful advice!
That's great news! When you file the misinformation claim, be very specific about which SSA publication misled you (that 2016 Program Explainer you mentioned) and how it directly caused you not to apply. If possible, include a copy of it with your claim. Also emphasize that you relied on official SSA documentation, not just verbal advice. Good luck!
Congratulations on getting through to SSA and getting your spousal benefits approved! Your case is a perfect example of why it's so important to push back when something doesn't seem right. The fact that you found contradictory information in their own publications (the 2016 Program Explainer vs. POMS TN 41) shows this wasn't just a simple misunderstanding - it was a documentation issue on their end. For your misinformation claim, I'd recommend being very detailed about the timeline - specifically that you could have applied as early as 2020 when your wife started collecting, but relied on the incorrect 2016 SSA publication that stated foreign pensions would trigger GPO. Since you were already past your FRA in 2018, there was no reason to delay once your wife started collecting. The key is showing you acted reasonably by relying on official SSA guidance. Keep us posted on how the SSA-795 claim goes - your experience could help others in similar situations!
doesnt matter what u checked or didnt check. my mom got my dads SS after he died but she had to go apply for it they dont do anything automatic. SS never makes anything easy lol
You can breathe easy! There's no special box you needed to check for survivor benefits. Your wife's eligibility for survivor benefits is automatic based on your marriage and your Social Security record - it doesn't depend on anything you did or didn't mark on your retirement application. The confusion is totally understandable because Social Security has so many different types of benefits (retirement, spousal, survivor) that people often mix them up. But here's the key point: survivor benefits are completely separate from your retirement benefit application. When the time comes, your wife will need to apply for survivor benefits herself (she can't do it online, has to call or visit an office), but your retirement application from last month has no bearing on her future eligibility. Since you claimed at 68, she'll potentially be able to receive your full benefit amount as a survivor benefit. So please stop losing sleep over this - you didn't mess anything up!
Logan Greenburg
Yes, the funeral home said they would report it as part of their process, but they also mentioned it could take several weeks with the current backlog. I'm still going to try to report it myself though, just to be safe.
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Aaron Boston
I'm so sorry for your loss. This is an incredibly difficult situation to navigate while grieving. I wanted to add that you might also want to check with your local SSA field office - sometimes they can process death reports more quickly than the national phone line, especially if you bring some form of documentation (even a funeral home statement can help). Also, regarding the final Representative Payee report, you'll typically have 60 days from when SSA processes the death report to submit it. Don't feel pressured to rush this part - take the time you need to gather all the records properly. The important thing right now is getting that death reported and using the December payment for her legitimate expenses as everyone has advised. Stay strong, and remember you're doing everything right by being so careful and asking these questions.
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