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wait i'm confused... doesnt the earnings limit go away at 62? or is it 67? my brother is dealing with this too
The earnings limit applies until you reach your full retirement age (FRA), which is between 66-67 depending on your birth year. At that point, you can earn any amount without reduction in benefits. There's no special rule at 62 - that's just the earliest age you can claim regular retirement benefits.
I'm sorry for your loss, and I understand how confusing this whole situation can be. You're actually doing everything right! The key thing to remember is that even though your survivor benefit is reduced because you claimed at 60, you still have the flexibility to switch to your own retirement benefit later if it's higher. Since you're planning to wait until 70 for your own benefit, you'll get those delayed retirement credits that can make your own benefit significantly higher than the survivor benefit. The months where you don't receive survivor payments due to working aren't "lost" - you're still building up your own Social Security record during that time. One tip: keep track of your earnings each year and maybe consider using the SSA website to estimate what your benefit will be at 70. That way you can plan ahead and know for sure which benefit will be better when the time comes to switch.
one thing nobody mentioned is you get the money back eventually!!! when you hit your FRA they recalculate your benefit and give you credit for all the months they took away. at least that's what the guy told my husband. doesn't help now but at least its not gone forever.
Just wanted to add that you should also check if your state has any additional considerations. Some states don't tax Social Security benefits, but they might treat that bonus differently for state tax purposes. Also, since you mentioned you're doing consulting work, make sure you're setting aside money for estimated quarterly taxes on that income - the IRS doesn't care about the SSA earnings test when it comes to tax obligations. You'll still owe taxes on both the bonus and consulting income regardless of any benefit reductions. Good luck navigating this - the timing rules are definitely frustrating but at least you're getting ahead of it now rather than being surprised later!
Great point about the state tax implications! I hadn't even thought about that aspect. You're absolutely right about the quarterly taxes too - I've been setting aside money for the consulting work but I should probably adjust my estimates now that I know about this bonus. It's crazy how one unexpected payment can complicate so many different things at once. Thanks for the reminder about staying on top of the tax side while dealing with the SSA stuff!
Thank you all for the helpful explanations! I feel much better now understanding that my benefits won't be affected regardless of what my ex tries to do. And it sounds like because of the GPO, he probably wouldn't qualify for anything on my record anyway with his pension being so substantial. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain all the technical details - Social Security rules are so complicated!
Glad we could help clarify things! Just remember that if your circumstances change (like if you're considering remarriage), it's always good to check how that might affect various Social Security benefits. And when you're ready to file for your own retirement benefits, be sure to create a my Social Security account online if you haven't already - it's the easiest way to track everything.
Just wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - even though your ex probably won't qualify for benefits on your record due to GPO, he could still potentially file an application just to get an official determination from SSA. Sometimes people are surprised by the exact calculations, especially if their pension amount changes or if there are other factors involved. The worst case scenario is he gets a formal denial letter, but at least then he'd have definitive answers rather than assumptions. That said, based on what you've described with his $4,800 monthly pension, the math definitely suggests GPO would eliminate any potential benefit.
Thanks everyone for the advice! After weighing all options, I think I'm going to: 1. Use that Claimyr service to actually speak with someone at SSA about my specific situation 2. File for SS retirement now to cover the gap when my NJ disability ends 3. Accept that there will be a permanent reduction, but it's better than draining my 401k 4. When I return to work, let them withhold benefits as needed based on my earnings The clarification about how they adjust the benefit at FRA for withheld months was really helpful. Still not ideal, but seems like the best option in my situation. I'll also check with my employer about whether long-term disability might kick in after my short-term benefits end, and look into the unemployment suggestion too. Every bit helps during recovery!
That sounds like a solid plan! You've clearly done your homework on this. One additional thing to consider - make sure to keep detailed records of your medical appointments and recovery progress. If your recovery takes longer than expected and you end up needing to apply for SSDI after all, having that documentation will be crucial for your case. Also, when you do speak with the SSA representative through Claimyr, ask them about the "do-over" rule (withdrawal of application). You have 12 months from when you first receive benefits to completely withdraw your application and pay back what you received, essentially getting a fresh start. It's rarely worth it financially, but good to know it exists as an option if your situation changes dramatically. Best of luck with your recovery! Taking care of your health is the most important thing right now.
Carmen Vega
Yes, they said my own benefit at FRA would be about $2,650. So the ex-spousal benefit would be less than my own even at FRA. And waiting until 70 gives me an extra $800/month for potentially decades. Since I'm still working part-time and have some savings, I think I can make it work financially until 70.
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Jamal Harris
•That sounds like a solid plan given your numbers. The 8% per year delayed retirement credits between FRA and 70 are hard to beat as a guaranteed return. Just remember that if you're still working before FRA and decide to claim any benefits, you might be subject to the earnings test, which could reduce your benefits temporarily. After FRA, the earnings test no longer applies.
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Harold Oh
Great job getting all that information sorted out! Just wanted to add that you should also consider getting a my Social Security account at ssa.gov if you don't already have one. It'll show you projections of your benefits at different claiming ages and update annually with your latest earnings. Also, since you're planning to wait until 70, make sure to file your application about 3 months before your 70th birthday - benefits can't be paid retroactively beyond 6 months, so you don't want to accidentally lose any money by filing too late. The delayed retirement credits stop accumulating after age 70, so there's no benefit to waiting beyond that point.
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Alina Rosenthal
•This is really helpful advice! I actually do have a my Social Security account but I hadn't thought about the timing of filing the application. So I should apply about 3 months before I turn 70 to make sure I don't miss any payments? That's good to know - I would have probably waited until my actual birthday and potentially lost money. Thanks for the tip about delayed credits stopping at 70 too. It's reassuring to know there's a clear endpoint to the waiting strategy.
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