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As a newcomer trying to understand all this, it's really helpful to see everyone's explanations! From what I'm gathering, the key distinction is that GPO only affects Social Security benefits you'd receive based on someone ELSE'S work record (like spousal or survivor benefits), but it doesn't touch the Social Security you earned from your own work history. So @Carter Holmes, your $2,304/month Social Security benefit that you earned yourself should be completely safe - GPO won't reduce it at all, even when you start receiving your wife's CalSTRS pension as a survivor benefit. The confusing part seems to be that there are two separate government pension rules (GPO and WEP) that people often mix up, plus SSA's own explanations aren't always clear. But everyone here seems to agree on the basic principle: your own earned SS benefits = protected from GPO. I'd definitely follow the advice about getting an official determination from SSA though, just to have it in writing for your peace of mind!

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Thanks for that clear summary @Paolo Romano! As another newcomer here, I really appreciate how everyone broke this down. The distinction between GPO (affects spousal/survivor benefits) vs WEP (affects your own benefits if you worked non-SS jobs) is super important. It sounds like Carter's situation is actually pretty straightforward - he gets to keep his full $2,304 SS plus potentially inherit the $7,400 CalSTRS if his wife passes first. That's actually a really good outcome compared to some of the other situations people described here where GPO really hurts their survivor benefits. Definitely agree about getting the official SSA determination though!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with my spouse who has a state teacher retirement system pension. What I'm learning from everyone's experiences is that there are really two key questions to ask yourself: 1. Are you claiming Social Security based on YOUR OWN work record? (If yes, GPO doesn't apply) 2. Are you claiming Social Security based on your SPOUSE'S work record? (If yes, GPO might reduce those benefits) @Carter Holmes - it sounds like you're in category #1, so you should be fine. But I'm curious - have you considered whether your wife might have ANY Social Security credits from work before teaching? Even a small SS survivor benefit could be worth checking on, though it would be subject to GPO. Also, for anyone dealing with these complex rules, I've found that the SSA's online calculators and benefit estimates don't always account for GPO/WEP properly, so the official determination that @Sophia Long mentioned is really important. Don't rely on the online estimates alone! Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world knowledge that's so hard to find elsewhere.

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I'm a retired teacher from Texas who went through this process last month. Applied online on February 3rd and received my first payment on March 7th - so about 5 weeks total. The key thing that helped me was creating a detailed timeline of my previous GPO denial with dates and reference numbers. One tip: when you apply, ask specifically about the "GPO repeal expedited review" - apparently there's a special code they can put on your application that prioritizes it. My local SSA office didn't mention this initially, but when I called back and asked about it, they were able to add it to my case. Also, make sure to ask for a receipt or confirmation number when you submit everything. I had to follow up twice because they initially couldn't locate my application in their system. Having that confirmation number saved me from having to start over completely. The retroactive payments back to January were included in my first payment, which was a nice surprise! Hang in there - it's worth the wait after all these years of getting nothing due to GPO.

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This is incredibly valuable information! Thank you for sharing your timeline and especially for mentioning the "GPO repeal expedited review" code - I had no idea that existed. I'm definitely going to ask about that when I apply. It's also reassuring to hear that you received the retroactive payments back to January in your first payment. After being denied for so long due to GPO, it gives me hope that this process will actually work out. I really appreciate you taking the time to share these specific details!

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I'm also a retired teacher dealing with the same situation! Lost my husband two years ago and was devastated to learn I'd get zero survivor benefits due to GPO. Reading everyone's experiences here gives me so much hope. Based on what I'm seeing from all your posts, it sounds like the key factors for faster processing are: 1) applying in person if possible, 2) having all documentation ready, 3) asking about that "GPO repeal expedited review" code that StarStrider mentioned, and 4) getting a confirmation number. I'm planning to apply next week and will definitely ask about those special WEP/GPO appointment slots that Natalie mentioned. After years of getting nothing, I'm cautiously optimistic that this repeal will finally give us the benefits we deserve. Thank you all for sharing your experiences - this community support means everything during such a difficult process!

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Welcome to the community, Alexis! It's heartening to see so many of us coming together to share our experiences with this process. As someone new to all this, I'm really grateful for the collective wisdom everyone has shared here. The summary you provided of the key factors is super helpful - I'm going to save that as my checklist when I apply. It's amazing how much more confident I feel about moving forward after reading everyone's stories, both the successes and the challenges. Best of luck with your application next week! Please come back and share how it goes - I'm sure many of us will be following your progress.

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my neighbor got her exs ss when he died but she had to wait till she was 60 even tho they were married for like 30 years... the whole thing is confusing

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Your neighbor likely received regular survivor benefits (not disability-based). The general rule is that survivors can claim benefits as early as age 60, but disabled survivors can claim as early as age 50. Since the original poster is already on SSDI, they wouldn't need to wait until age 60 to potentially receive the higher benefit amount.

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This is such valuable information for anyone in a similar situation! I wanted to add that it's also worth keeping copies of all your important documents (marriage certificate, divorce decree, etc.) in a safe place where you can easily access them if needed. One thing I learned from helping my mom navigate Social Security issues is that having everything organized beforehand makes the process much smoother when you're already dealing with the stress of a loss. You might also want to consider reaching out to your local Social Security office to get familiar with their procedures now, rather than waiting until you actually need to file a claim. It sounds like you have a good understanding of your situation now thanks to all the helpful responses here. The fact that your marriage lasted 22 years definitely works in your favor, and being on SSDI shouldn't prevent you from receiving the higher benefit if your ex-husband's amount exceeds yours.

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The whole system is needlessly complicated. When I filed for benefits on my ex's record, the SSA agent told me I should have waited until FRA but by then it was too late - once you file early, you're stuck with the reduced amount forever. Just make sure you understand all the implications before you submit that application!

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That's an excellent point about the permanence of the reduction. Once you accept a reduced benefit by filing early, that reduction (minus COLA increases) stays with you for life. The only exception is if you repay all benefits within 12 months of filing and withdraw your application, but that's rarely practical for most people.

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Didn't they also change it so if your ex dies you can switch to survivor benefits? Those work differently I think. My aunt did that and got more money when her ex passed away even though she started regular benefits early.

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Yes, survivor benefits are treated differently than spousal/ex-spousal benefits. If your ex-spouse passes away, you can receive survivor benefits as early as age 60 (or 50 if disabled), and these can be up to 100% of what your ex was receiving. Importantly, even under the new rules, you CAN file for survivor benefits only and delay your own retirement benefit until 70 to maximize it. This specific strategy still works because survivor benefits weren't affected by the 2015 law changes.

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I want to thank everyone for the helpful responses! Based on what you've all shared, I'm going to apply for benefits to start in January 2025 so I can get the COLA increase right away. I'll make sure to submit my application a few months in advance as suggested. I'm also going to check out that Claimyr service for getting through to SSA - sounds much better than waiting on hold for hours. Really appreciate all the insights!

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One more thing to consider - since you're already past your FRA, you might want to double-check what your exact FRA was. If you were born in 1960 or later, your FRA is 67, not 66. I see a lot of people get confused about this and think they can start full benefits earlier than they actually can. Also, if you do decide to start in January, your first payment won't actually arrive until February since Social Security pays benefits the month after they're earned. Just wanted to make sure you're planning your finances accordingly!

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That's a really important clarification about the payment timing! I hadn't realized that benefits are paid the month after they're earned. So if I start benefits in January 2025, my first payment would actually arrive in February. Good to know for budgeting purposes. And yes, my FRA is 67 since I was born in 1960, so I'm definitely past that point now. Thanks for the additional details!

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