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Social Security at 64 while working in 2025 - Will earnings limit affect my benefits?

I'm turning 64 in November 2025 and planning to claim Social Security early in December 2025 (still 3 years before my full retirement age). I'm a bit confused about the earnings limit rules. From what I understand, in 2025 I can earn around $22,300 before they start reducing my benefits. My plan is to work until I hit that earnings limit exactly, then stop working for the remainder of the year. If I manage this correctly, would SS take back any of my benefits? Or does the benefit reduction only happen if I exceed that annual limit? Also, would they count my entire year's earnings or just what I earn after I start collecting? This whole earnings test is making my head spin!

Keisha Williams

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You've got the right idea, but let me clarify how the earnings test works. When you're under Full Retirement Age (FRA) and working, SSA will deduct $1 from your benefits for every $2 you earn above the annual limit (which will likely be higher than $22,300 in 2025 due to COLA adjustments). Here's the important part: SSA counts your ENTIRE earnings for 2025, not just what you earn after you start collecting. So if you've already earned $22,300 before December when you start benefits, you would still be at the limit. However, there is a special rule for the first year you retire. SSA can use a monthly earnings test rather than annual if it benefits you. Under this rule, regardless of your annual earnings, you can receive full benefits for any month you earn under the monthly limit (annual limit divided by 12) AND don't perform substantial services in self-employment.

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NebulaNova

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Thank you for that explanation! So if I understand correctly, even though I'll only be collecting benefits for one month in 2025 (December), they'll still look at what I earned January-November? That seems unfair! What if I earn $30,000 by November, then retire completely before claiming in December - would they still reduce my December payment based on those earlier earnings?

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Paolo Conti

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This is where that special first-year rule comes in handy! If you stop working completely before you start claiming benefits, you can use the monthly earnings test. For any month you earn under the monthly limit (probably around $1,860 in 2025) AND don't work, you'll get your full benefit regardless of annual earnings. So in your scenario - if you earn $30,000 by November but earn $0 in December when you claim, your December benefit would NOT be reduced. SSA will apply whichever calculation works better for you in your first year of retirement. I went through this exact situation last year. Just make sure you tell SSA when you apply that you've retired or reduced your work so they know to consider the monthly test.

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NebulaNova

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That's a huge relief! So I could potentially earn more than the annual limit earlier in the year, as long as I completely stop working before I start claiming in December? Do I need to provide proof that I've stopped working?

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Amina Diallo

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When I claimed at 63 last yr, i had already made more than the limit for the whole year, but they still gave me full paymt for the months after i stopped work. just had to tell them i wasnt workin anymore. didnt ask for proof but i think they can check w/ IRS if they want to.

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NebulaNova

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Thanks for sharing your experience! Did they make this clear when you applied, or did you have to specifically ask about the monthly rule?

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Amina Diallo

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They didnt mention it until i told them i just stopped working. then the rep explained bout the monthly thing. wouldnt have known to ask otherwise!

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Oliver Schulz

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Just be careful with that special first year rule - it only applies to the first year you RETIRE, not necessarily the first year you claim benefits. If you've already retired before 2025 and then claim in December 2025, it might not apply the way you want. The rules are so confusing!!

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Paolo Conti

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Good clarification. The special rule applies to the first year of retirement, so OP needs to be retiring in 2025 for this to work as described. If they've been retired for years and just waiting to claim, different situation entirely.

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NONE of this makes any sense!!!! Why does SS make everything SO COMPLICATED?? I've been trying to figure out these same rules for months and get different answers from everyone. Called the SS office THREE TIMES and got three completely different explanations about the earnings test. It's almost like they WANT us to make mistakes so they can take our money back later!!! And good luck getting through to them on the phone...

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Javier Mendoza

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I ran into a similar situation last year but my earnings were WAY over the limit (like 45k) before i stopped working in october and started benefits in november. They STILL gave me the full paymenty for november and december because of that special rule. Just make sure you ACTUALLY stop working in december - no side gigs, no contract work, nothing. any earnings in the month you claim could mess it up.

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NebulaNova

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Thanks for sharing your experience! So it really does work the way others have described. I'll make sure I have a completely clean break from work before December.

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Keisha Williams

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One more important thing to understand about the annual earnings limit: When SSA reduces your benefits due to earnings, those benefits aren't truly "lost" forever. After you reach Full Retirement Age, SSA will recalculate your benefit amount to give you credit for the months they withheld benefits. This results in a permanent increase to your monthly benefit amount going forward. So while you may see reduced benefits while under FRA if you work, you'll eventually be compensated for those reductions through higher monthly payments for the rest of your life after FRA.

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Wait WHAT?? They never told me this part! I've been avoiding working extra hours because I didn't want to lose benefits. Are you 100% sure about this recalculation thing???

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Paolo Conti

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Yes, that recalculation at FRA is absolutely correct. SSA essentially treats those months where benefits were withheld due to work as months where you didn't collect early retirement. Since your reduction for claiming early is based on how many months before FRA you receive benefits, having some months withheld means your early claiming reduction gets partially reversed. It's not widely understood, but it is official SSA policy. You won't see those specific benefits that were withheld, but your monthly amount increases going forward after FRA.

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NebulaNova

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That's fascinating - I had no idea about the recalculation. Though in my case, I'm still trying to maximize what I get now while following the rules correctly. So ideally, I'd structure things to avoid any reductions in the first place by using that monthly test in my first year.

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AstroAdventurer

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Just wanted to add that the earnings limit for 2025 hasn't been officially announced yet - the $22,300 figure is just an estimate based on previous years. The actual 2025 limit will probably be higher due to inflation adjustments. So you might be able to earn a bit more than you're planning before hitting the limit. SSA usually announces the new amount in October of the previous year.

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NebulaNova

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That's a good point - I'll make sure to check the official 2025 limit when it's announced. Every extra dollar I can earn while still getting full benefits helps!

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Oliver Schulz

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My brother tried to do something similar and it did NOT work out - they took back a bunch of his payments months later because he didn't understand the rules correctly. Make sure you get this in writing from SS before you count on it!!

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Keisha Williams

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It's always good to document your conversations with SSA, but the monthly earnings test for the first year of retirement is definitely an established policy, not something that varies by case. Your brother's situation likely had other complicating factors (perhaps self-employment, which has different rules about substantial services, or maybe he continued to earn income in months he claimed he wasn't working).

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NebulaNova

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Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I'm going to: 1) Check the official 2025 earnings limit when it's announced 2) Make sure I completely stop working before December when I claim 3) Specifically mention to SSA when I apply that I've retired so they apply the monthly test 4) Keep documentation of when I stopped working It's much clearer now how this works. I was worried I'd have to micromanage my earnings to exactly hit the annual limit, but using the monthly rule makes more sense for my situation.

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Paolo Conti

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Perfect plan! One final tip: when you do apply, try to schedule an appointment rather than just walking in. And note that you can apply up to 4 months before you want benefits to start, so you could apply as early as August for your December start date. Good luck!

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