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Just wondering but why didn't you apply for spousal benefits right when you reached FRA? Did you start working again or something? Just curious because I'm trying to figure out my own situation.
Great question! I just went through this process myself about 8 months ago. Here's what I learned: definitely schedule your appointment at least 6-8 weeks in advance, not just one month. The processing can take longer than expected, especially if they need additional documentation. Also, make sure to ask them to estimate your new monthly amount during the appointment so you know exactly what to expect. In my case, the spousal benefit added about $340 to my monthly payment, but it took almost 2 months to show up in my direct deposit. One tip: if you have trouble getting through on the phone to schedule, try calling right at 8 AM when they open - that's when I had the best luck. Good luck with everything!
One other important point: while the maximum WEP reduction increases annually with the wage index, your husband's actual WEP reduction might increase at a different rate. This is because the actual reduction depends on his specific Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) calculation. The WEP essentially changes how the first bend point in the formula is applied (reducing it from 90% to as low as 40%), but the full calculation involves all your earnings history. So the actual dollar impact can increase at a different rate than the maximum WEP amount.
The complexity around WEP calculations can definitely be overwhelming! For planning purposes, you might also want to know that SSA typically announces the new bend points (and thus the maximum WEP reduction) in October along with the COLA announcement, but they're published in separate documents. The bend points are usually found in SSA's "National Average Wage Index" announcement. Also, if you're doing multi-year projections, historical wage index growth has averaged around 3-4% annually over the long term, though it can vary significantly year to year based on economic conditions. This might help you create rough estimates for your retirement planning until the official numbers come out.
This is incredibly helpful information! I had no idea the bend points were announced separately from COLA - that explains why I couldn't find this info when I was looking at the regular benefits announcements. The historical 3-4% average for wage index growth gives me a good baseline for rough projections too. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain all these details - this thread has been more informative than hours of trying to navigate the SSA website!
I'm so sorry for your loss, and I think it's wonderful that you're finding love again. As someone who recently went through the survivor benefits application process myself, I can confirm what others have shared - you absolutely CAN remarry after age 60 and keep your survivor benefits from your first husband. I was in a similar situation about 6 months ago (I'm 63 now). I applied for survivor benefits at 60 and remarried at 62. The key things I learned: 1. The age 60 rule is firm - remarry before 60 and you lose benefits, remarry at 60 or after and you keep them 2. You must notify SSA within 10 days of remarrying (I used their online portal which was super easy) 3. Consider the timing - I'd suggest getting your survivor benefits established first, then remarrying once that's all sorted One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: if your new partner is also receiving Social Security, you might eventually be able to switch to spousal benefits on their record if it would be higher than your survivor benefit. It's worth discussing with an SSA representative when you apply. The whole process was much less scary than I expected, and it sounds like you're asking all the right questions. Best wishes for both your benefits application and your future happiness!
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience - it's exactly what I needed to hear! It's reassuring to know that someone went through this same situation successfully just 6 months ago. Your timeline sounds very similar to what I'm planning (applying at 60, potentially remarrying around 62). I really appreciate the tip about using the online portal to report the marriage change - I didn't know that was an option and it sounds much easier than calling or visiting an office. The point about potentially switching to spousal benefits later is something I hadn't considered, so I'll definitely ask about that when I speak with SSA. It gives me so much peace of mind to hear from someone who actually did this recently. Thank you for the kind words about finding love again - it feels good to know there's a path forward that protects both my financial security and my future happiness!
I'm new to this community but wanted to share something that might help with your situation. My mother-in-law went through almost the exact same thing about 5 years ago. She was widowed at 62, waited until she turned 60 to apply for survivor benefits (even though she was already past 60 when she applied), and then remarried at 65. One thing she learned that I haven't seen mentioned here is that when you're collecting survivor benefits and then remarry, SSA will actually review your case to see if you might be eligible for higher benefits. In her case, her new husband had a much higher earnings record, so after they'd been married for a year, she was able to switch to spousal benefits on his record which gave her about $300 more per month. Also, she mentioned that having all her paperwork organized made the whole process much smoother. She created a folder with copies of everything - marriage certificate, death certificate, tax returns, etc. - and brought copies to leave with SSA while keeping the originals at home. The peace of mind you'll have knowing you can remarry without losing those benefits is worth so much. Wishing you all the best as you navigate this new chapter!
This is such valuable information, thank you for sharing your mother-in-law's experience! I hadn't thought about the potential for SSA to review my case after remarriage to see if I might qualify for higher benefits - that's definitely something I'll ask about when I apply. The tip about organizing all paperwork in a folder with copies is really practical too. I've been collecting documents but hadn't thought about the logistics of what to bring vs. what to keep at home. It sounds like your mother-in-law really benefited from being thorough and prepared. The fact that she ended up with $300 more per month after switching to spousal benefits shows how important it is to understand all your options. Thank you for the encouraging words - it really helps to hear these success stories from people who have actually been through this process!
Just wanted to add something that might help with the decision-making process. Your sister-in-law should calculate her "break-even" point to see if working is actually worth it financially. Here's a rough calculation based on what you've shared: - Annual earnings: $40,000 - Survivor benefits lost due to earnings test: ~$8,840 - Additional taxes on combined income: probably $2,000-3,000 more - Work-related expenses (transportation, work clothes, etc.): ~$1,500-2,000 So out of $40,000 in gross earnings, she might only net around $26,000-28,000 after all deductions and benefit reductions. That's still meaningful income, but it's important she understands the real financial impact. The non-financial benefits of working (social interaction, sense of purpose, staying active) might make it worthwhile even with the reduced net gain. But having realistic expectations about the money will help her make the best decision for her situation.
This break-even analysis is really eye-opening! I hadn't thought about calculating the actual net benefit after all the deductions and reductions. That puts things in much better perspective - she'd be working full-time but only netting about 65-70% of her gross pay. I'll definitely share this framework with her so she can make a more informed decision. The social and mental health benefits might still make it worthwhile, but at least she'll know exactly what she's getting into financially. Thank you for laying it out so clearly!
I've been through a very similar situation with my own survivor benefits, and I want to emphasize something that might not be immediately obvious: the timing of when she reports her work income to SSA is crucial. If she waits until the end of the year to report, SSA will likely demand immediate repayment of the overpaid benefits, which can create serious financial stress. However, if she reports her expected annual earnings BEFORE she starts working (or within the first month), they can adjust her monthly payments prospectively. Also, she should be aware that SSA calculates the earnings test on a monthly basis during the first year of work. So if she starts mid-year, they'll prorate the annual limit. For example, if she starts in April, she'd have a higher monthly allowance for the remaining months of that year. One last tip: if her income varies (like seasonal work or irregular hours), she can request that SSA recalculate based on actual monthly earnings rather than estimated annual earnings. This can help avoid both overpayments and underpayments throughout the year. The key is communication with SSA from the very beginning - don't let them find out about the work income after the fact!
Jasmine Hancock
One important thing to note - when you reach FRA, the earnings test no longer applies at all. You can earn any amount without affecting your benefits. So if you're close to your FRA (July 2026), you might want to consider whether it's worth potentially changing your work situation for a relatively short period. Also, the ARF recalculation is designed to eventually pay you back the equivalent of what was withheld, just spread out over your lifetime. So in theory, you should come out roughly even in the long run.
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Kayla Morgan
•" Eventually "and in" theory are big assumptions! What if someone'doesn t live long enough to get back all that money? Then the government just keeps it?'That s why I tell everyone to just wait until FRA if'they re stillworking.
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Everett Tutum
Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who went through this recently. I had a similar situation where I took early retirement at 62 and kept working part-time. Had to pay back about $8,000 over two years due to earnings limit. The good news is that @Jasmine Hancock is right about the ARF adjustment - it does happen and it's designed to make you whole eventually. In my case, my monthly benefit increased by about $150 after I reached FRA. One thing I'd suggest is keeping really good records of exactly how much you've paid back and when. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking all the amounts SSA withheld. This made it much easier when I called them after my FRA to verify the recalculation was done correctly. Also, since you're enjoying your work and only have about a year and a half until your FRA, I'd personally stick with it. The combination of the ARF increase plus any potential benefit from higher recent earnings years could work in your favor long-term. Plus, staying active and engaged through work has benefits beyond just the financial aspect!
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NeonNinja
•Thank you for sharing your experience, @Everett Tutum! The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I wish I had thought of that from the beginning. I've been trying to piece together all the withholding amounts from different notices and letters. Your $150 monthly increase after paying back $8k gives me hope that this will actually work out positively in the end. I think you're right about sticking with work, especially since I genuinely enjoy what I do. The mental and social benefits of staying engaged are probably worth something too, even if they're harder to quantify than the financial aspects.
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