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I'm in a similar situation but just turned 62 and wondering if I should start my survivor benefits now or wait. Reading through all these responses about COLAs applying to future benefits is really helpful! One thing I'm still confused about though - if I start survivor benefits at 62, will those also get the annual COLAs? And then when I switch to my own retirement at 70, will I get the benefit of all those COLAs that were applied to my own record during those 8 years? It sounds like from what everyone is saying that the answer is yes to both, but I want to make sure I understand this correctly before making the decision.

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Yes, you're understanding it correctly! Survivor benefits do receive annual COLAs, so if you start collecting at 62, those payments will increase each year with cost-of-living adjustments. And yes, your own retirement record also gets COLAs applied to it even while you're not collecting on it - so when you switch to your own benefits at 70, you'll get the benefit of all those accumulated COLAs plus the delayed retirement credits. The key thing to consider at 62 is whether your survivor benefit is higher than what your own reduced retirement benefit would be. If the survivor benefit is significantly higher, it often makes sense to take it and let your own record grow with COLAs and delayed credits until 70. But definitely get current benefit estimates before deciding!

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I'm so glad I found this thread! I'm 58 and my husband passed away 6 months ago. I haven't applied for survivor benefits yet because I'm still working full-time and wasn't sure if it made sense to start them now or wait. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful, especially understanding that COLAs apply to both current survivor benefits AND my future retirement benefits even while I'm not collecting on my own record yet. One question - does anyone know if there's an earnings limit that affects survivor benefits? I'm making about $65k per year and worried that might reduce any survivor benefits I'd be eligible for. Also, is it true that survivor benefits aren't reduced for early claiming the same way regular retirement benefits are? I've read conflicting information about this online. Thank you all for sharing your experiences - it's so much more helpful than trying to navigate the SSA website or sitting on hold for hours!

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Alice, I'm so sorry for your loss. Yes, there is an earnings limit for survivor benefits if you're under full retirement age, and it's the same limit that applies to regular Social Security benefits. For 2024, if you're under full retirement age for the entire year, you can earn up to $22,320 without any reduction in benefits. If you earn more than that, they reduce your benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above the limit. At $65k, you'd be well over that limit, so your survivor benefits would likely be significantly reduced or even eliminated entirely while you're working full-time. However, this is where the strategy gets interesting - any benefits that are "withheld" due to the earnings test aren't actually lost forever. When you reach full retirement age, SSA recalculates your benefit to give you credit for the months when benefits were reduced or withheld. So you might want to consider waiting until you reduce your work hours or reach full retirement age to claim survivor benefits, then switch to your own record at 70 if it's higher. And yes, survivor benefits follow different reduction rules than regular retirement benefits - they're reduced less severely for early claiming, but the earnings test still applies the same way.

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Just to add one more important point: If you're currently disabled but your insured status has expired (meaning you no longer have enough recent work credits for SSDI), you might still qualify for SSI (Supplemental Security Income) if your income and resources are below the threshold. SSI is need-based rather than work-credit based. However, SSI has no retroactive payments before the application date at all. And the resource limits are quite strict - generally $2,000 for individuals ($3,000 for couples) in countable resources. If you decide to apply for either program, be prepared with: 1. Detailed medical records from 5 years ago to establish your onset date 2. A list of all doctors, hospitals, and treatments 3. Information about any work attempts since your condition began 4. How your condition limits your ability to work Good luck with your situation!

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Thank you so much for this additional information! I'm going to try calling SSA tomorrow and gather all my medical records from the past 5 years. I really appreciate everyone's help understanding this complicated system.

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I'm so sorry you're going through this - the lack of awareness about disability benefits is really a systemic problem. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to consider consulting with a disability attorney for a free consultation. They can help you navigate the complex rules around retroactivity, insured status, and current disability requirements. Many disability lawyers work on contingency (they only get paid if you win), and they're often much better at getting through to SSA than individuals trying to call on their own. They can also help you determine if your current condition still meets the disability criteria and whether it's worth pursuing an application. Also, don't beat yourself up about not knowing - SSA doesn't exactly make this information easy to find or understand. The important thing is you're looking into it now!

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This is really helpful advice! I wasn't sure if consulting with a disability attorney was worth it since I'm not even sure if I qualify anymore. Do you know if they can help determine my insured status before I commit to working with them? I'm worried about wasting their time (and mine) if it turns out I don't have enough recent work credits.

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I went through something very similar last year with my disabled daughter and ex-husband's benefits. The family maximum is definitely still calculated the same way it has been for years - the SSA rep was likely confused about any rule changes. What helped me was requesting an appointment at my local SSA office and bringing all my documentation. The in-person representatives seem to have better access to the calculation tools and can walk through the numbers step by step. When I called the 1-800 number, I got different answers every time, but the local office was able to show me exactly how they arrived at my benefit amount. Also, don't forget that if you're still working, there are earnings limits that could affect your benefits if you claim before full retirement age. At 62, you can only earn about $23,400 in 2025 before they start reducing your benefits. This might factor into your decision about when to claim. The $250 sounds low to me given your ex's benefit amount, but the family maximum combined with early claiming reduction could explain it. Definitely push for that written explanation that Jessica mentioned - it's your right to understand exactly how they're calculating your benefits.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I think you're right about trying an in-person appointment. The phone representatives definitely seem to have different levels of knowledge and access to the calculation systems. I hadn't thought about the earnings limit either - I am still working part-time, so that's another factor to consider. It sounds like there are so many moving pieces that affect the final amount. I'm going to try calling for a Technical Expert first, and if that doesn't work, I'll schedule an appointment at my local office. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences - it makes me feel less alone in dealing with this confusing system!

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I'm sorry you're dealing with this frustrating situation! As someone who recently went through a similar process with Social Security, I can share what I learned. The family maximum is indeed still calculated the same way it has been - typically 150-180% of the primary worker's benefit amount. What might be happening is that your son's disabled adult child benefit is taking up a significant portion of that maximum, leaving less available for your divorced spouse benefit. One thing that helped me get clearer answers was keeping detailed notes during each call, including the representative's name and ID number. When I got conflicting information, I could reference specific previous conversations. Also, don't be afraid to ask them to repeat information slowly - these calculations are complex and the representatives sometimes rush through explanations. Given your ex's $2,700 monthly benefit, a $250 divorced spouse benefit at age 62 does seem quite low, even with the family maximum and early claiming reduction applied. I'd definitely follow the advice others have given about requesting a Technical Expert and getting everything in writing. You deserve to understand exactly how they're arriving at these numbers. Hang in there - this system is incredibly confusing, but you have every right to get clear, consistent answers about your benefits!

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After reading all these comments, it sounds like you need to: 1) Verify they have the correct pension amount, 2) Request a formal determination letter explaining their calculation, and 3) Ask if there are any appeal options if you believe there's an error. I went through something similar with my WEP determination last year. The key is getting someone knowledgeable on the phone who understands GPO/WEP calculations. Unfortunately, many front-line representatives aren't fully versed in these complicated provisions. When you call, politely ask to speak with a technical expert or someone who specializes in government pension offset cases.

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Thank you for laying it out so clearly. I'll definitely ask for a technical expert when I call. It seems like the regular representatives might not fully understand all the GPO details. I'll update this thread once I get more information. I appreciate everyone's help!

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As a newcomer here, I just wanted to say how helpful this thread has been! I'm in a similar situation - worked for the state for 30+ years and am trying to understand how GPO will affect my potential spousal benefits. @Andre Dubois, your explanation of the GPO calculation was incredibly clear and really helped me understand why the reduction can sometimes eliminate the entire benefit. @Carmen Flores, thanks for mentioning Claimyr - I had no idea there were services to help navigate SSA's phone system. @QuantumQueen, I hope you get the determination letter and clarification you deserve. It's frustrating that they don't automatically provide clear explanations for these complex calculations. Good luck with your call!

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Welcome to the community @Vincent Bimbach! I'm glad you found this thread helpful. It really shows the value of having experienced members like @Andre Dubois who can break down these complex government benefit calculations in plain English. The GPO/WEP rules are so confusing, and it's unfortunate that SSA doesn't always provide clear upfront explanations. I hope your own spousal benefit situation works out better than expected - sometimes the calculations can surprise you in a good way if your pension amount or the timing works in your favor. Thanks for the kind words!

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This is such valuable advice! I'm dealing with a similar nightmare right now - SSA is claiming I owe $2,100 for "unreported work" from 2022, but I have all my pay stubs AND the receipts from when I reported everything to them. They've been taking $125 out of my monthly check since October and it's really hurting my ability to pay rent. I've been too intimidated to contact my congressman's office because I thought it was only for "big" issues, but this IS a big issue for me! Going to reach out to them tomorrow morning. Thank you for sharing your story and proving that persistence pays off. It gives me hope that I might actually get my money back too!

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Don't let anyone tell you this isn't a "big" issue - $2,100 is absolutely huge when it's affecting your ability to pay rent! That's exactly what congressional offices are there for. I was nervous about contacting mine too, but their staff was incredibly helpful and professional. Make sure you have all your documentation ready - those pay stubs and reporting receipts will be crucial evidence. The fact that you kept those receipts puts you in a really strong position. Wishing you the best of luck, and definitely keep us updated on your progress!

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This is exactly the kind of success story that gives me hope! I'm currently in month 8 of fighting a $1,950 overpayment claim where SSA says I didn't report my freelance work from 2023, but I have copies of every single Form SSA-1099 I submitted AND the certified mail receipts. They've been deducting $140 from my disability check since June, and like you, I've sent my documentation multiple times only to be told they "can't locate it in the system." The phone situation is absolutely maddening - I've easily spent 40+ hours on hold this year just to get disconnected or told someone will call me back (spoiler: they never do). I honestly never considered contacting my representative's office because I thought they only handled "major" issues, but you're absolutely right that this IS major when it's your livelihood on the line. I'm going to look up my congressman's website tonight and submit a request. Thank you for sharing the specific details about the process and timeline - it really helps to know what to expect. Congratulations on getting your full benefits restored and that back payment!

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