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Will paying back Social Security due to earnings limit increase my monthly SS benefit?

Hi everyone, I need some help understanding how the earnings limit payback affects my future benefits. I started taking SS retirement at 63 (early) in 2023 while still working part-time. My FRA is 66 and 4 months. Because I earned more than the annual limit, I had to pay back $10,500 in 2023 and another $9,800 in 2024. My monthly benefit is about $2,750. Here's my confusion - does paying back these benefits due to excess earnings actually adjust my benefit amount going forward? I thought it might bump up my monthly payment since technically I "unretired" for those months they took back. Or does it just mean I'll reach FRA a few months later than I would have? I'm trying to determine if this will eventually work out in my favor financially or if I should just stop working until I hit my FRA next year. Thanks for any insights!

One important thing to note - when you reach FRA, the earnings test no longer applies at all. You can earn any amount without affecting your benefits. So if you're close to your FRA (July 2026), you might want to consider whether it's worth potentially changing your work situation for a relatively short period. Also, the ARF recalculation is designed to eventually pay you back the equivalent of what was withheld, just spread out over your lifetime. So in theory, you should come out roughly even in the long run.

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" Eventually "and in" theory are big assumptions! What if someone'doesn t live long enough to get back all that money? Then the government just keeps it?'That s why I tell everyone to just wait until FRA if'they re stillworking.

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Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who went through this recently. I had a similar situation where I took early retirement at 62 and kept working part-time. Had to pay back about $8,000 over two years due to earnings limit. The good news is that @Jasmine Hancock is right about the ARF adjustment - it does happen and it's designed to make you whole eventually. In my case, my monthly benefit increased by about $150 after I reached FRA. One thing I'd suggest is keeping really good records of exactly how much you've paid back and when. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking all the amounts SSA withheld. This made it much easier when I called them after my FRA to verify the recalculation was done correctly. Also, since you're enjoying your work and only have about a year and a half until your FRA, I'd personally stick with it. The combination of the ARF increase plus any potential benefit from higher recent earnings years could work in your favor long-term. Plus, staying active and engaged through work has benefits beyond just the financial aspect!

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Social Security WEP increases - is it percentage-based or calculated differently each year?

I'm trying to understand how the Social Security Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) adjusts annually. My husband is affected by WEP due to his federal pension, and we're planning for next year's income (2025). We've noticed the WEP reduction has changed over time, but I'm confused about HOW they calculate these annual increases. Does anyone know if the WEP maximum reduction amount simply increases by the same COLA percentage as regular benefits? Or is there some different formula they use to calculate it each year? I've searched the SSA website but can't find a clear explanation about the annual adjustment method specifically for WEP.

One other important point: while the maximum WEP reduction increases annually with the wage index, your husband's actual WEP reduction might increase at a different rate. This is because the actual reduction depends on his specific Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) calculation. The WEP essentially changes how the first bend point in the formula is applied (reducing it from 90% to as low as 40%), but the full calculation involves all your earnings history. So the actual dollar impact can increase at a different rate than the maximum WEP amount.

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That makes this even more complicated! I think I need to schedule an appointment with SSA to get the specific numbers for our situation. But at least now I understand the general mechanism behind the annual increases. Thank you for the detailed explanation!

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The complexity around WEP calculations can definitely be overwhelming! For planning purposes, you might also want to know that SSA typically announces the new bend points (and thus the maximum WEP reduction) in October along with the COLA announcement, but they're published in separate documents. The bend points are usually found in SSA's "National Average Wage Index" announcement. Also, if you're doing multi-year projections, historical wage index growth has averaged around 3-4% annually over the long term, though it can vary significantly year to year based on economic conditions. This might help you create rough estimates for your retirement planning until the official numbers come out.

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Survivor benefits after remarriage at 60 - can I keep my late husband's Social Security?

My husband passed away unexpectedly last year at 65. He hadn't filed for his Social Security benefits yet. I'm 58 now and planning to claim survivor benefits when I turn 60. Here's where it gets complicated - I've recently met someone and we've been discussing marriage in the future. If I remarry after I turn 60 (which seems likely), will I still be able to collect survivor benefits from my first husband? I've heard conflicting information about this rule. Some friends say I'll lose the benefits if I remarry at any age, others say there's a special exception if you remarry after 60. I don't want to make a costly mistake! Anyone have experience with this specific situation? Thank you in advance.

To address your follow-up question - yes, you should still notify SSA of your remarriage even though it won't affect your eligibility for survivor benefits. The reason is that your marital status is part of your SSA record and needs to be kept up-to-date. You can report this change by: 1. Calling SSA directly at 1-800-772-1213 2. Visiting your local SSA office 3. In some cases, updating your information through your my Social Security online account Additionally, your new marital status might actually open up new benefit options (like spousal benefits on your new husband's record if that would be higher than your survivor benefit).

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Thank you! I'll definitely make sure to notify them when the time comes. I appreciate everyone's help with this question - it's given me a much clearer understanding of how to proceed.

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I'm so glad you found this community and asked this question! As someone who went through the survivor benefits process myself, I want to emphasize how important it is to get accurate information. You're absolutely right that there's a lot of conflicting advice out there. The key point everyone has correctly mentioned is that remarrying after age 60 will NOT affect your survivor benefits. This is a firm rule in the Social Security system. However, I'd also suggest considering the timing of when you apply for benefits versus when you remarry. Since you're 58 now and planning to apply at 60, you have about 2 years to get everything sorted out. I'd recommend applying for the survivor benefits first, getting that process completed, and then proceeding with your remarriage plans. This way there's no confusion or complications during the application process. Also, make sure you have all your husband's employment records and Social Security information ready when you apply. The process can take some time, so starting early is always better. Wishing you the best as you navigate both this new chapter in your life and the benefits process!

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Do COLA increases affect my future SS retirement benefits while collecting survivor benefits?

Quick question about COLAs that's been bugging me for months. I'm 60 and started collecting survivor benefits after my husband passed away last year. Before that, I had set up my mySocialSecurity account and could see my projected retirement benefits. Now I can't access that info since my account seems locked into just showing my survivor benefit details. What I'm confused about is whether the annual cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) that Social Security announces each year are being applied to my own future retirement benefits that I plan to claim at 70? Or do those COLAs only affect what I'm currently receiving as a survivor? I've tried calling SSA three times but keep getting disconnected after 45+ minutes of waiting. Basically, I'm trying to figure out if my own retirement benefit will be higher at 70 than what that paper statement showed a few years ago, or if the COLA increases only matter for what I'm currently receiving. Thanks for any help understanding this!

To directly answer your question: The paper statement you received years ago showed estimates based on your earnings at that time, with assumptions about future earnings until retirement age. Those estimates didn't include future COLAs because those are unknown at statement time. However, since COLAs have been quite substantial recently (8.7% in 2023, 3.2% in 2024), your actual benefit at 70 will likely be significantly higher than what that old statement showed - potentially 15-20% higher just from COLAs alone, not counting any additional earnings or delayed retirement credits.

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This is exactly the information I needed! It's actually quite exciting to think my benefit could be that much higher than what I saw on that old statement. Thank you for breaking it down so clearly.

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I'm in a similar situation but just turned 62 and wondering if I should start my survivor benefits now or wait. Reading through all these responses about COLAs applying to future benefits is really helpful! One thing I'm still confused about though - if I start survivor benefits at 62, will those also get the annual COLAs? And then when I switch to my own retirement at 70, will I get the benefit of all those COLAs that were applied to my own record during those 8 years? It sounds like from what everyone is saying that the answer is yes to both, but I want to make sure I understand this correctly before making the decision.

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Social Security survivor benefits reduction with $40k income at 63 - Medicare impact?

Just seeking some clarity on my sister-in-law's Social Security situation. She started collecting survivor benefits when she turned 60 (about 3 years ago) after my brother passed. She took a break from working from 2023 until now, but she's returning to work next month at a job paying roughly $40,000 annually. With that income PLUS her survivor benefit of approximately $2,300 monthly, I'm trying to understand: 1. How will her earnings affect her survivor benefits in 2026 and 2027? (She'll be 63-64 then) 2. Will her Medicare premiums increase because of the combined income? 3. Is there an earnings limit that applies in her specific situation? She's getting conflicting advice from friends and I want to help her understand what to expect financially. Any insights from those who've been through similar situations would be really helpful!

does anyone know if the 40k includes just her salary or does overtime count too??? my boss wants me to work extra hours but im afraid itll mess up my ss checks

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ALL earnings count toward the limit - salary, overtime, bonuses, commissions, even self-employment income. The only things that don't count are investment income, pensions, and other government benefits. So yes, overtime will definitely count toward that $40k total and could further reduce benefits if it pushes her over the earnings limit.

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Just wanted to add something that might help with the decision-making process. Your sister-in-law should calculate her "break-even" point to see if working is actually worth it financially. Here's a rough calculation based on what you've shared: - Annual earnings: $40,000 - Survivor benefits lost due to earnings test: ~$8,840 - Additional taxes on combined income: probably $2,000-3,000 more - Work-related expenses (transportation, work clothes, etc.): ~$1,500-2,000 So out of $40,000 in gross earnings, she might only net around $26,000-28,000 after all deductions and benefit reductions. That's still meaningful income, but it's important she understands the real financial impact. The non-financial benefits of working (social interaction, sense of purpose, staying active) might make it worthwhile even with the reduced net gain. But having realistic expectations about the money will help her make the best decision for her situation.

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