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Thank you everyone for all the helpful responses! I understand now that my husband had it completely backwards. He cannot claim on my record, especially since my benefit would be lower than his. I'm the one who could potentially receive spousal benefits. I think I'll wait until I'm closer to my full retirement age before filing since I'm still working part-time anyway. That way I can avoid both the early filing reduction and the earnings limit penalty. I appreciate all the clear explanations!

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You're making a smart decision waiting until closer to your FRA! Just one additional thing to consider - since you're still working part-time, make sure to factor in the earnings test if you do decide to file before your full retirement age. In 2024, if you're under FRA, Social Security reduces your benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above $22,320 annually. However, those "lost" benefits aren't truly lost - they get added back to your monthly benefit amount once you reach FRA through a recalculation. Also, don't forget that continuing to work might actually increase your future Social Security benefit if your current earnings are higher than some of your earlier years, since SSA uses your highest 35 years of earnings to calculate your benefit. Good luck with your planning!

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This is really helpful advice about the earnings test! I hadn't thought about how my current part-time work might actually be helping my future benefit calculation. Do you know if there's an easy way to see what my benefit would be if I worked for another year or two versus filing now? I'm wondering if the increase from additional work years would be worth delaying even longer.

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I'm a case worker who's dealt with these SSI/DAC interaction issues many times. Based on your description, SSA definitely made an error by not including the allocation for your 12-year-old son. Here's what you should do immediately: 1. Call SSA and request an "informal conference" - this is faster than a formal reconsideration 2. Specifically state: "You failed to apply the ineligible child allocation for my 12-year-old son in the deeming calculation" 3. Have your son's birth certificate and proof he lives with you ready 4. Request continuation of benefits during the review (you have 10 days from the notice date) The math should be: Your DAC ($1640) - $20 general exclusion - $522 ineligible child allocation = $1098 subject to deeming, not the full amount they're currently using. This error could be costing you around $185/month in your daughter's SSI. Don't let them brush you off - this is a clear calculation error on their part.

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This is exactly what I needed to hear from someone who works with these cases! Thank you for breaking down the specific steps and terminology. I had no idea about requesting an "informal conference" - that sounds much faster than going through a full reconsideration process. The $185/month difference you calculated makes perfect sense and shows just how significant this error is for our family budget. I'm calling first thing tomorrow morning with your exact wording about the failed ineligible child allocation. Really appreciate the professional insight!

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This is such a common mistake by SSA! I went through the exact same thing when I started receiving DAC benefits and my younger sister was on SSI. They completely overlooked the allocation for my non-disabled brother who was living with us. Here's what worked for me: I called the 1-800 number first thing in the morning (around 8 AM seems to be the best time to get through) and immediately asked to speak with someone about a "deeming calculation error involving missing ineligible child allocation." Using those specific terms seemed to help get me transferred to someone who actually understood the issue instead of getting bounced around. The rep was able to see the error right away once I explained it, and they corrected it within about 2 weeks. I also got back pay for the months they had calculated it wrong. Make sure you emphasize that this is a calculation error, not a change in circumstances - that helped move things along faster in my case. Don't give up if the first person you talk to doesn't understand. I had to call back twice before I got someone who knew what they were talking about. Good luck!

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I work as a paralegal at a law firm that handles Social Security cases, and I want to emphasize a few key points that might help you: 1. You are absolutely eligible for survivor benefits since you were married to your husband when he passed away and had been for 4 years (well over the 9-month requirement). 2. When you apply, make sure to ask SSA to calculate what your benefit would be if you waited until your full retirement age vs. taking it at 60. The reduction is significant - about 28.5% less at age 60. 3. If you're still working, be aware of the earnings limit. For 2024, if you're under full retirement age, you can earn up to $22,320 without affecting your benefits. Every $2 you earn over that limit reduces your benefits by $1. 4. Consider consulting with a Social Security attorney for a free consultation if your situation feels complex. Many of us offer free initial consultations for survivor benefits cases. The good news is your case seems straightforward - you were married at the time of death for more than 9 months, which is all that matters for survivor benefits eligibility.

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This is incredibly helpful information, thank you! As someone new to navigating all of this, I really appreciate the specific details about the earnings limit and the reduction percentage. I hadn't realized the reduction was that significant - 28.5% is a lot to consider. I'm still working part-time, so the earnings test information is particularly relevant. The idea of a free consultation with a Social Security attorney sounds like it might be worth exploring to make sure I understand all my options before making any decisions. Thank you for taking the time to share your professional insight!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Sean. As someone who went through a similar process last year, I wanted to share what I learned. You're definitely eligible for survivor benefits! Since you were married to your husband when he passed away (regardless of the previous divorce), the only requirement is that you were married for at least 9 months at the time of his death - which you were for 4 years during your second marriage. One thing that really helped me was creating a timeline of all my important dates and gathering every document beforehand. For your situation, I'd recommend bringing: - Both marriage certificates (from your first and second marriages to him) - Your divorce decree from the 2-year separation period - His death certificate - Both of your Social Security cards - Your birth certificate Also, don't feel pressured to start benefits immediately at 60 if you don't need them right away. The reduction for taking them early is substantial, and if you're still working, the earnings test could affect your payments. Take time to understand all your options first. Wishing you the best during this difficult time.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience and the detailed document list, Madison. It's really comforting to hear from someone who has been through this process recently. I hadn't thought about creating a timeline of all the important dates - that's a great suggestion that will probably help me organize everything when I meet with SSA. I'm definitely feeling less anxious about this whole process after reading everyone's responses here. The community support means a lot during such a difficult time.

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btw if u really need the info before the 1099 comes u can calculate it yourself... just look at the deposit amount in his bank account, that's what my tax guy told us to do last year when we were in the same boat

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While you can use the payment amount as an estimate, I would caution against filing taxes using only the bank deposit information. The SSA-1099 might include other adjustments or withholdings that aren't obvious from the payment amount alone. It's best to wait for the official form to ensure accuracy.

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Good point - we're not in a huge rush, so I think we'll wait for the official form. Just wanted to make sure we weren't missing something obvious. Thanks everyone for all the helpful information!

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Welcome to the SSA community! I went through this exact situation with my father-in-law two years ago. Since your husband's first payment was in December 2024, he will definitely receive a SSA-1099 for that tax year. The key things to remember: 1) New beneficiaries are often processed in the final batch, so expect it by mid-February at the latest, 2) It will show up under "Replacement Documents" in his mySocialSecurity portal once available, and 3) The SSA will also mail a paper copy to your address on file. Don't stress too much - this delay is completely normal for December starters. The amount on the 1099 should match exactly what was deposited into his account that month.

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Thank you for the warm welcome and detailed explanation! It's really helpful to hear from someone who's been through this exact situation. I feel much better knowing that the delay is normal for December starters. We'll keep checking the portal over the next few weeks and won't panic if it takes until mid-February. Really appreciate all the community support here - you've all been so helpful!

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i wonder if her retirement $ will be affected by the Windfall Elimination Provision? my cousin had problems with that when he switched from government pension to social security

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WEP only applies if you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security (like some government or foreign jobs). If the sister worked regular jobs that paid into Social Security, WEP wouldn't apply. You're thinking of a different situation.

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Update: Thank you everyone for all the great advice! I talked to my sister and we're going to start gathering her documents now and plan to apply in March (3 months before her birthday as suggested). I've also helped her create an account on my.ssa.gov to check her earnings record. According to the estimate, her retirement benefit would be about $1,120/month, which is definitely better than her current SSI payment! We're also going to check on how this might affect her Medicaid coverage since that's really important for her health needs.

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MAKE SURE you print out copies of EVERYTHING from the website!!! Screenshots too!!! The SSA will claim they never got her application or lose her records, they ALWAYS do this!!!

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That's wonderful that you're being so proactive in helping your sister! The $1,120 estimate sounds promising. Just a heads up - when you apply in March, make sure to ask specifically about coordinating the transition between SSI and retirement benefits to avoid any payment gaps. Some offices handle this better than others. You might also want to call your state's Medicaid office separately to understand exactly how the income change will affect her coverage, since the rules vary by state. Good luck with everything!

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