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my aunt had to deal with this last year and she said the local SS office gave her different info than the phone ppl!!! make sure u get everything in writing when u talk to them
This is excellent advice. I always recommend that people request and keep a detailed Benefits Statement from SSA that shows their benefit amounts under different scenarios. Local offices and phone representatives sometimes provide conflicting information, so having documentation is important. The SSA's website has been improving, and you can now get personalized benefit estimates through your my Social Security account, but for complex situations involving survivor benefits, it's worth getting a written benefit analysis.
Just wanted to add one more important detail that might affect your planning - if you're still working when you become eligible for survivor benefits, the earnings test still applies. If you're under your full retirement age and earning above certain limits ($22,320 for 2024), your survivor benefits could be temporarily reduced. This is different from delayed retirement credits - you don't get those extra credits for waiting past your survivor FRA like you do with your own retirement benefits. Also, survivor benefits are generally not taxable if they're your only income, but if you have other income sources, up to 85% could be taxable depending on your total income level. Worth factoring into your financial planning since you mentioned you're still several years from retirement.
This is really helpful information about the earnings test! I hadn't considered that factor since we're both still working and plan to continue for several more years. The tax implications are also something I need to research more. Since my husband's benefit would be $2,800 and mine $1,650, we'll definitely have other income sources in retirement, so the taxation aspect could be significant. Thank you for mentioning these details - it's clear there are many more factors to consider than I initially realized when planning for potential survivor benefits.
I'm in a similar situation - widow at 61, trying to navigate the survivor benefits maze. What I've learned from working with a Social Security advocate is that you might want to request a "benefit verification letter" or ask for a consultation with a supervisor at your local office. Sometimes regular reps don't have access to the more complex calculation tools, but supervisors do. Also, since your son is receiving DAC benefits, there's definitely a family maximum in play that affects the total benefits paid on your husband's record. When you claim survivor benefits, it could potentially reduce what your son receives if you're bumping up against that maximum - something else to factor into your decision. Have you considered getting a second opinion from a different SSA office? I've found that knowledge levels vary significantly between locations and even individual representatives.
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about the family maximum potentially affecting my son's benefits when I start claiming. That's definitely something I need to understand better before making any decisions. The idea about requesting a supervisor consultation is smart too - I got the impression the rep I spoke with wasn't super familiar with the windexing calculations for older cases. I might try calling a different office or asking specifically to speak with someone who handles complex survivor benefit cases. Thanks for mentioning the Social Security advocate option - I didn't even know that was a thing! Did you find yours through a particular organization or referral?
I'm also a widow navigating this process and wanted to share what I learned from my experience. The lack of clear estimates from SSA before applying is incredibly frustrating - you're definitely not alone in feeling this way! One thing that helped me was contacting the National Organization of Social Security Claimants' Representatives (NOSSCR) to find a qualified attorney who specializes in Social Security benefits. Many offer free consultations for survivor benefits cases and can help you understand the timing implications without you having to file an application. Regarding the windexing calculation, I found that benefits estimated using the deceased spouse's earnings from 15+ years ago can be quite different from what you might expect. The indexing often results in higher benefits than simple percentage calculations would suggest, but the early claiming penalties can still significantly impact the final amount. Since you're working part-time and right at the earnings test threshold, you might also want to consider whether reducing your work hours slightly in the claiming year could help you avoid benefit reductions. Sometimes a small adjustment in income can make a meaningful difference in your net benefit. The family maximum issue that others mentioned is real - definitely get clarity on how your claiming might affect your son's DAC benefits before making any decisions.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience and the NOSSCR recommendation! I had no idea there were attorneys who specialize specifically in Social Security benefits and offer free consultations. That sounds like exactly what I need to get proper guidance without having to file blindly. The point about potentially reducing work hours is really interesting too. Since I'm right at that $22,330 threshold, even a small reduction in my part-time income could help me avoid the earnings test penalties if I decide to claim early. I'll need to do the math on whether the lost wages would be offset by avoiding the benefit reductions. I'm definitely going to look into NOSSCR and see if I can find someone local who can help me understand all these interconnected factors - the windexing, family maximum, earnings test, and impact on my son's benefits. It sounds like there are too many variables for me to figure out on my own, and the SSA reps clearly aren't equipped to help with the complex scenarios. Has anyone else here worked with a Social Security attorney for survivor benefits planning? I'd love to hear about other people's experiences with getting professional help versus trying to navigate this maze alone.
Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I feel much better now. To summarize what I've learned: 1. The inheritance from my father's retirement account won't affect my Social Security benefits 2. Since I'm at FRA, I don't need to worry about the earnings test regardless 3. The 20% tax withholding is standard but I might be able to adjust it 4. I should keep my SSA appointment to discuss the survivor benefits from my ex-spouse I'll call the retirement plan administrator on Monday to get more details about the account type and tax implications, but I won't stress about it affecting my Social Security. Really appreciate all the insights!
That's a perfect summary! One last tip - keep documentation of both the retirement account distribution and your Social Security benefit determination letters together in a folder. Having everything in one place will be helpful when you file your taxes next year, as there can be tax implications regarding how much of your Social Security benefits are taxable based on your overall income.
Great advice from everyone here! Just wanted to add that when you do receive the distribution, make sure to save all the paperwork (1099-R form, etc.) that the retirement plan sends you. Even though this won't affect your Social Security benefits, you'll definitely need those documents for tax filing purposes. Also, since you mentioned you're new to navigating all these Social Security rules - the SSA website has a really helpful benefit calculator tool that can give you estimates for different scenarios. It's under the "Retirement Estimator" section. Might be worth checking out before your appointment so you have a better sense of what to expect with the survivor benefits vs. your own retirement benefit. Good luck with your appointment next week!
have u thought about reducing ur hours just enough to get under the limit? might be worth it depending on how much ur kid would get
One thing to keep in mind is that the earnings test applies monthly, not just annually. So if you're planning to retire completely at some point during the year (even if you turn 65), you could potentially receive benefits for the months after you stop working, even if your total annual earnings exceed the limit. The SSA uses a monthly test of $1,770 (for 2025) in addition to the annual limit. This might give you some flexibility in timing if you're considering full retirement in the next year or two. Also, make sure you understand exactly when your FRA is - for someone turning 65 in 2025, your FRA is likely 66 and some months, not 66 exactly.
Ella Lewis
To answer your specific question about percentages: At 62 and 0 months, survivor benefits are reduced by approximately 28.5%, so you get 71.5% of the full benefit. By 63 and 0 months, they're reduced by about 23.5%, so you get 76.5%. So the difference between 62 years 10 months (March) and 63 years 0 months (May) would be roughly 1% of the full benefit amount. Not a huge jump, but still worth considering if you can set the later start date during your March appointment.
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Charlotte Jones
•Thanks for breaking down the exact percentages! That helps put it in perspective. I think I'll keep my March appointment but request the May start date.
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Zane Gray
I went through this exact same decision process about a year ago when my wife passed. The key thing I learned is that you absolutely CAN apply in March but request benefits to start in May - this is called a "protective filing date" and it's a standard option they offer. Here's what I'd recommend: Keep your March appointment (trust me, getting another one is a nightmare) but tell them you want benefits to start in May when you turn 63. This gives you the best of both worlds - you secure your application date AND get the higher percentage. The monthly increase is about 0.396% per month, so waiting from March to May would give you roughly 0.8% more of your husband's full benefit amount. On a $2,000 benefit, that's about $16 more per month, which adds up to nearly $200 extra per year. Also make sure you have ALL your documents ready - marriage certificate, death certificate, your husband's Social Security number, and your own work history if you have one. They'll walk you through whether survivor benefits or your own retirement benefits (taken later) would be better long-term. Good luck with your appointment - you're making a smart choice by thinking this through carefully.
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Nia Watson
•This is incredibly helpful advice, thank you! I wasn't familiar with the term "protective filing date" but that sounds like exactly what I need. The way you broke down the math really helps - $200 extra per year for just waiting two months definitely seems worth it. I feel much more confident about keeping my March appointment now and just requesting the May start date. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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