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I went through this exact same situation about 8 months ago and can confirm what everyone is saying - you absolutely need to call SSA yourself to request the ARF (Adjustment of Reduction Factor) recalculation. It won't happen automatically. Here's what I learned from my experience: When I called, I immediately said "I need to request an Adjustment of Reduction Factor recalculation because I reached my Full Retirement Age and had benefits withheld due to the earnings test." Using that exact language helped the representative understand what I needed right away. I had about 19 months of partially or fully withheld benefits over 4 years, and my monthly benefit increased by $201 after the recalculation. They also provided retroactive payments back to my FRA date, which was a nice bonus. The whole process took about 12 weeks from my initial call to seeing the increased payment. Two important tips: First, call early in the morning (right at 8 AM) to avoid long hold times. Second, ask for written confirmation of your request with a case number - this saved me when I had to follow up later. Don't wait any longer to call - every month you delay is money you're leaving on the table since they'll backpay to your FRA date once approved.

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This is incredibly helpful! I'm new to this community and just learning about the ARF process. I had no idea that reaching FRA doesn't automatically trigger a benefit recalculation - I thought it would happen on its own. Your specific wording about requesting the "Adjustment of Reduction Factor recalculation" seems like it could save a lot of confusion on the call. A $201 monthly increase sounds substantial! I'm currently 64 and planning to start collecting next year while continuing to work part-time, so this information about potential future adjustments is really valuable. Thank you for sharing your timeline and the practical tips about calling at 8 AM and getting written confirmation. This thread has been such an eye-opener about how important it is to be proactive with SSA rather than assuming things happen automatically.

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for sharing such detailed experiences about the ARF recalculation process! I'm 63 and currently receiving early retirement benefits while working part-time, so I know I'll be facing this exact situation when I reach my FRA in about 3 years. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly eye-opening - I had no idea that the benefit adjustment after FRA wasn't automatic. The fact that you have to proactively call SSA and specifically request the "Adjustment of Reduction Factor" recalculation is something I never would have known without this thread. I'm taking notes on all the practical tips shared here: using the exact terminology "ARF recalculation," calling at 8 AM for shorter wait times, printing out the benefit payment history from the online account beforehand, requesting written confirmation with a case number, and being prepared to ask for a technical specialist if needed. The success stories with monthly increases ranging from $142 to $230+ plus retroactive payments really demonstrate how important it is to pursue this adjustment. I'm definitely going to bookmark this thread and use it as my guide when I reach FRA. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice that makes such a difference!

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Confused about Social Security ex-spouse benefits amount at 62 - three different answers from SSA

I'm trying to figure out ex-spouse Social Security benefits and getting different answers everywhere! Here's my situation: I'll be turning 62 in March 2025 and considering early retirement because of ongoing health issues (not disability-qualifying though). My ex-husband turns 70 around the same time and will likely start collecting then. We were married for 17 years, divorced amicably, and neither of us remarried. His benefit is estimated at $5,750/month at age 70. Even half of that ($2,875) would be significantly more than what I'd get on my own record at 62 or even at my full retirement age. Here's where I'm confused. I thought I could: 1. Apply for my own reduced retirement at 62 2. Then immediately apply for ex-spouse benefits to get the difference between my benefit and half of his 3. Since he'll be 70 (past FRA), I thought I'd get half of his benefit regardless of MY age (as long as I'm at least 62) But I've now gotten three completely different explanations: - Phone rep #1 said I can get the full 50% of his FRA amount if I wait until MY full retirement age - Phone rep #2 said I'll get a reduced amount based on MY age - In-person agent just totally confused me saying it's based on BOTH our benefit amounts at age 66 and "ends up being the same either way" (?!?!) Can anyone clarify how this actually works? If I take benefits at 62, can I still get some of his higher amount? And should I still file for ex-spouse benefits even if there's no immediate advantage, just to be connected to his record if he passes away before me? This is so frustrating! Thank you for any help!

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I'm so grateful I found this discussion! I'm in a very similar situation - turning 62 next year and completely confused about ex-spouse benefits after getting wildly different information from multiple SSA representatives. What really struck me reading through everyone's experiences is how consistent the problem is with getting conflicting information from SSA. It's both frustrating and reassuring to know I'm not the only one dealing with this. Based on all the great advice here, I'm planning to: 1. Schedule a SHIP counselor appointment first to get properly prepared 2. Create that spreadsheet with all my benefit scenarios 3. Get certified copies of my marriage certificate and divorce decree 4. Ask my ex for his Social Security Statement (we're on good terms) 5. Schedule an in-person SSA appointment and request everything in writing One question I have that I didn't see addressed - has anyone dealt with situations where your ex-spouse remarried? Mine did remarry, but I know that doesn't affect my eligibility since we were married over 10 years and I haven't remarried. I'm just wondering if it complicates the application process at all or if SSA asks additional questions about it. Also, for those who mentioned keeping detailed notes of SSA conversations - did you find that helpful when you finally got to someone knowledgeable, or was it more useful for your own tracking? Thank you all for sharing such practical, real-world advice. This thread should be required reading for anyone navigating divorced spouse benefits!

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Great question about your ex's remarriage! I went through this exact situation - my ex remarried a few years after our divorce, but it didn't complicate my application process at all. SSA didn't ask any additional questions about his current marriage status when I applied for divorced spouse benefits. The key factors they care about are: 1) you were married 10+ years (which you meet), 2) you're currently unmarried, and 3) you're at least 62. His remarriage is completely irrelevant to your eligibility. Regarding the detailed notes - they were incredibly helpful! When I finally got to a knowledgeable representative, I was able to say "Representative X told me Y on this date, but Representative Z told me something completely different on that date." It helped the final rep understand why I was confused and gave them context for all the conflicting information I'd received. They were actually apologetic about the inconsistencies and took extra time to make sure I understood everything correctly. Your action plan looks perfect! The SHIP counselor appointment first is such a smart move - they'll help you prepare much better questions for your SSA meeting. Good luck navigating this process!

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This thread has been absolutely invaluable! I'm turning 62 in March 2025 and was getting the exact same runaround from SSA representatives - three different answers just like you described. It's both maddening and oddly comforting to know this is such a widespread problem. After reading through everyone's experiences and advice, I feel like I finally have a clear action plan. The explanation about how divorced spouse benefits are calculated based on your ex's PIA (not his age-70 amount) and reduced for YOUR early filing really cleared up my confusion. I was making the same mistake of thinking it would be based on his $5,750/month projected benefit at 70. I'm definitely going to: 1. Schedule a SHIP counselor appointment first - had no idea this free resource existed! 2. Get my updated Social Security Statement to see my current benefit projections 3. Ask my ex for his Social Security Statement since we're on good terms 4. Get certified copies of all my documents 5. Create a spreadsheet with all the scenarios before my SSA appointment The advice about requesting written estimates and having SSA document their calculations in your file is brilliant - no more relying on verbal explanations that seem to change with each representative. Thank you to everyone who shared their real experiences. This community support has transformed what felt like an impossible puzzle into a manageable process with clear next steps!

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I'm new to Medicare and IRMAA but following this thread closely since I'll be 65 next year. One question I haven't seen addressed - if someone files the SSA-44 form and gets their IRMAA reduced for 2024, does that affect their Medicare premiums for 2025 as well? Or do they automatically go back to using the 2-year-old tax return data (which would be 2023) for determining 2025 premiums? I'm trying to understand if this is a one-time fix or if there are ongoing implications. Also, for those who have been through this process, how long did it typically take from submitting the form to seeing the premium change reflected in your Medicare billing? Thanks for all the helpful information everyone has shared!

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Great question about how this affects future years! From what I understand, the SSA-44 form is typically a one-time adjustment for the specific year when the life-changing event occurred. So if you file for 2024 due to retirement that year, your 2025 IRMAA determination would normally go back to using the standard process (your 2023 tax return data, since they use info from 2 years prior). However, if your income remains low in 2025, that will eventually be reflected when they use your 2024 tax return for your 2027 IRMAA determination. As for timing, I've seen people mention anywhere from 1-3 months to see the change in Medicare billing, though it can be retroactive. It's definitely worth asking about both the timeline and how future years are handled when you visit the SSA office - these are really important details for planning ahead!

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I just wanted to thank everyone who contributed to this thread - this has been incredibly helpful! I'm actually a Social Security claims representative, and I can confirm that most of the advice given here is spot-on. A few additional points that might help: When you visit the SSA office, try to go early in the morning or later in the afternoon to avoid peak hours. Also, the SSA-44 form is available online at ssa.gov, so you can fill it out ahead of time and just bring it with your documentation - this speeds up the process significantly. One thing I always tell people is to ask for a receipt showing what documents you submitted and the date, as this creates an official record. The processing time is typically 30-60 days, but the adjustment is usually retroactive to the month following the life-changing event. And yes, this is a one-time adjustment - subsequent years will use the normal IRMAA calculation unless another qualifying event occurs. Hope this helps clarify some of the questions that came up!

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This is such valuable insight from someone who actually works with these forms! Thank you for confirming the advice and adding those practical tips about timing visits and filling out the form ahead of time. I had no idea you could download the SSA-44 form online - that will definitely save time at the office. The 30-60 day processing timeframe is really helpful to know, and it's reassuring to hear that the adjustment is typically retroactive. I'm definitely going to ask for that receipt when I submit everything. One quick question - when you mention "subsequent years will use the normal IRMAA calculation unless another qualifying event occurs," does that mean if someone's income stays low after retirement, they might need to file another SSA-44 form each year, or will the lower income eventually be reflected automatically when SSA gets the updated tax return data?

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This has been such an informative discussion! I'm actually in the exact same situation as the original poster - turning 62 soon and considering starting benefits while working part-time. Reading through everyone's experiences has really helped clarify how this all works. The automatic recalculation at FRA sounds like it genuinely makes up for the temporary withholdings, which was my biggest concern. I was worried I'd be throwing money away, but it seems more like I'm just getting it back in a different form later on. The practical tips about keeping detailed records and reporting earnings accurately are also really valuable. Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences - it's so much better than trying to decode the official SSA materials alone!

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I'm so glad this discussion has been helpful for you too! As someone who was in your exact shoes just a few months ago, I can tell you that making this decision feels much less overwhelming once you understand how the system actually works. What really sold me on moving forward was realizing that the "penalty" for working while collecting early isn't really a penalty at all - it's more like a forced savings plan that pays you back with interest through higher monthly benefits later. The key is just being honest about your expected earnings upfront and keeping good records. I filed my application last week and feel really confident about the decision now. Best of luck with whatever you decide!

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This entire discussion has been incredibly valuable! As someone who's been wrestling with this exact decision for months, seeing all the real-world experiences shared here has finally given me the confidence to move forward. The key insight that really clicked for me is understanding that the earnings limit isn't actually a "loss" of benefits - it's more like a temporary deferral that gets paid back through higher monthly amounts after FRA. What I found most reassuring was hearing from multiple people who've actually gone through the automatic recalculation process and confirmed it works as advertised. The $47/month increase example really helps put it in perspective - that's real money that adds up significantly over time. For anyone else reading this who's in a similar situation, my main takeaways are: be upfront about your expected earnings, keep detailed records, and don't stress too much about the temporary withholdings since you'll eventually get credit for them. The system seems to work better than I initially feared. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - you've made a complicated topic much clearer!

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This thread has been amazing for someone like me who's just starting to research this whole process! I'm 61 and was completely overwhelmed by all the SSA information online, but reading everyone's actual experiences makes it so much clearer. The way you put it - that it's a "temporary deferral" rather than a loss - is exactly the perspective shift I needed. I was getting caught up in worrying about the monthly withholdings without thinking about the long-term benefit adjustment. Hearing that multiple people have successfully gone through this process and seen real results gives me confidence that the system actually works as intended. I think I'm ready to stop overthinking this and move forward with my application. Thank you to everyone who shared their stories!

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I'm new to this community and wanted to share my recent experience with this exact situation! I was also panicked after seeing those misleading headlines about Login.gov being "mandatory" for Social Security benefits. After struggling with the identity verification for nearly two months (my ID kept getting rejected and I wasn't receiving verification codes), I finally got through to an SSA representative who confirmed what everyone here is saying - Login.gov is ONLY for accessing your online account, NOT for receiving your actual benefit payments. What finally worked for me was using my grandson's smartphone instead of my old tablet, and calling my phone company to temporarily whitelist government verification messages. Turns out they were being blocked as spam! But here's the key point - during those entire two months of Login.gov frustration, my monthly Social Security payments never missed a beat. They continued coming via direct deposit exactly as they had for years before I even knew what Login.gov was. The representative explained that your benefits are guaranteed by federal law based on your work history and eligibility - website access has absolutely nothing to do with payment eligibility. She said they get dozens of calls daily from people worried about this because of how the media has been reporting it. Don't let these fear-mongering headlines steal your peace of mind like they did mine! Your monthly benefits will continue regardless of whether you ever successfully navigate the Login.gov system.

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Welcome to the community! Thank you so much for sharing your experience - it's really helpful to hear from someone who just went through this exact same panic. Your story about needing to use your grandson's smartphone and whitelisting government messages with your phone company are great practical tips that I'm sure will help others here. It's incredible how many of us have been affected by those same misleading headlines! The fact that you received your direct deposits normally for the entire two months while struggling with Login.gov really reinforces what everyone else has been saying about these being completely separate systems. I'm new here too and this whole discussion has been such a lifesaver for understanding that our monthly payments are protected by federal law, regardless of any website technical difficulties. It's really reassuring to hear that SSA representatives are aware of how much confusion the media coverage has caused and are having to field so many calls about this. Thank you for taking the time to share your story and help ease other people's worries. Stories like yours really help newcomers realize we can stop panicking about our benefits and just focus on troubleshooting the website if we want online access for convenience!

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share my experience since I just went through this exact same situation a few weeks ago! Like so many others here, I was absolutely terrified after reading those misleading headlines about Login.gov being "mandatory" for Social Security benefits. I struggled with the identity verification process for over a month - my driver's license kept getting rejected as "unreadable" and I never received any of the phone verification codes they were supposed to send. I was genuinely panicked that my disability benefits would be cut off because of these technical problems. After reading through this entire discussion, I feel so much relief! It's incredibly reassuring to see so many people confirm directly with SSA representatives that Login.gov is ONLY for online account access, not for actual benefit payments. The fact that everyone's monthly payments continued normally throughout their Login.gov struggles really proves this point. I'm definitely going to try some of the excellent troubleshooting tips mentioned here - using incognito browsing mode, trying during off-peak hours, checking if my phone carrier is blocking verification texts as spam, and maybe visiting my local library for better internet connection. The suggestions about taking ID photos in natural daylight against a dark background sound really promising too. But most importantly, I can finally stop losing sleep over potentially losing my benefits! It's clear that these sensationalized headlines have caused completely unnecessary panic for so many seniors who are just trying to access services we've earned through years of work. Thank you all for sharing your real experiences and creating such a supportive community that cuts through all the fear-mongering with actual facts. This discussion has been absolutely invaluable for a newcomer like me who was genuinely scared about this whole Login.gov situation!

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Welcome to the community! I'm also new here and your experience sounds exactly like what I've been going through. It's such a relief to find this discussion and realize how many of us have been unnecessarily panicked by those misleading headlines! I've been struggling with the same Login.gov verification issues - my ID photos keep getting rejected and I'm not receiving verification codes either. Reading everyone's stories here has been incredibly reassuring, especially seeing so many confirmations that the monthly payments continue regardless of website access problems. The troubleshooting tips you mentioned are exactly what I plan to try too. It's amazing how this community has compiled all these practical solutions from everyone's real experiences. The tip about checking if phone carriers are blocking verification texts as spam seems to be a common issue that many people have solved. Most importantly though, I can finally stop worrying about losing my benefits! Like you said, it's clear these headlines were designed to create panic rather than inform people properly. Thank you for sharing your story - it really helps to know other newcomers are finding the same peace of mind here that I am!

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