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wait so if you apply for social security do you HAVE to take medicare too?? I'm turning 65 later this year but still have good insurance through my wifes job. dont want to pay for something i dont need yet
No, you don't have to take Medicare when you apply for Social Security. They're separate programs, though they're administered by the same agency. However, if you're still working and covered by employer insurance, you should look into whether you need to enroll in Medicare Part A (which is premium-free for most people) even if you delay Part B. There can be penalties for delaying Medicare enrollment if you don't have qualifying coverage. You should contact Social Security directly to discuss your specific situation.
As someone new to navigating Social Security, this whole thread has been incredibly educational! I'm still a few years away from retirement but seeing real experiences like yours helps me understand what to expect. The fact that SSA representatives actually call to discuss complex benefit options is reassuring - I always assumed everything would be done through impersonal letters or online portals. One question for the community: For those who've gone through this process, how far in advance should someone apply? The original poster mentioned applying 6 weeks ago - is that typical timing, or should people apply earlier to avoid any delays in receiving their first payments?
Great question! From what I've learned through this community and my own research, the general recommendation is to apply about 3 months before you want your benefits to start. This gives SSA time to process your application and ensures you receive your first payment on time. Some people apply even earlier (4-6 months) if they have complex work histories or documentation issues. The timing can also depend on your birth month - if you're born early in the month, you might want to apply a bit sooner since Social Security pays benefits the month after they're due. It's definitely better to apply early rather than late, as there can sometimes be processing delays. You can always specify a future start date when you apply online through the mySocialSecurity portal.
I'm sorry for your loss. This is such a difficult time to be dealing with these complicated benefit calculations. From what I'm reading in the comments, it sounds like you'll face a double reduction - one because your ex claimed early and another because you're claiming before your FRA. That seems really harsh given the circumstances. One thing I'd suggest is requesting a written estimate from SSA showing exactly how they calculated your survivor benefit amount. Sometimes having it in writing helps you understand all the factors they're considering, and it gives you something to reference if you get conflicting information from different representatives. Also, even though this situation is frustrating, it sounds like the strategy of taking survivor benefits now and switching to your own retirement benefit at 70 could still work out well for you financially in the long run. The waiting and uncertainty is terrible, but you're asking all the right questions to make the best decision possible.
Thank you so much, Omar. This has been overwhelming to navigate while grieving. I really appreciate the suggestion about requesting a written estimate - that's brilliant! Having something in writing would definitely help me understand exactly how they're calculating everything and give me confidence that I'm getting consistent information. The double reduction does feel harsh, but I'm trying to focus on making the best decision going forward rather than dwelling on what can't be changed. Thanks for the encouragement about the long-term strategy too. It helps to hear that I'm asking the right questions!
I'm so sorry for your loss. Dealing with Social Security paperwork during grief is incredibly difficult. Based on what others have shared, it sounds like you're getting solid advice about the dual reductions and the strategy of taking survivor benefits now then switching to your own at 70. One thing I'd add - when you do get through to SSA, ask them to walk you through a "what if" scenario comparing your total lifetime benefits under different claiming strategies. They can run projections showing what you'd receive if you claim survivor benefits at 63 vs waiting until FRA, and how that compares to taking your own benefits at different ages. Also, if you're having trouble getting through by phone, try calling right at 8am when they open - I've had better luck getting through in the first few minutes. And definitely bring a notepad when you finally speak with someone. These calculations are complex and you'll want to write down exactly what they tell you so you can reference it later. You're doing the right thing by researching this thoroughly before making your decision. Take your time - you don't have to rush into anything right now.
I want to thank everyone for their helpful responses. I've decided to: 1. Create a my Social Security account to see current estimates 2. Try calling my local office directly for an appointment 3. If that doesn't work, I'll consider using that Claimyr service someone mentioned Based on what I'm hearing, it sounds like my benefit will still grow with delayed retirement credits even though I stopped working, but probably not as much as those original estimates showed. I'll make sure to get updated calculations before making any decisions about whether to switch from survivor to retirement benefits.
Just wanted to add something important that might help with your decision timing - survivor benefits don't have delayed retirement credits like your own retirement benefits do. Your survivor benefit of $1,950 will only increase with annual COLA adjustments, while your own retirement benefit can grow by 8% per year until age 70. Since you mentioned your FRA benefit was estimated at $2,200, even if that's reduced somewhat due to stopping work in 2021, the delayed credits could still make it worthwhile to wait. But definitely get those updated numbers first! Also, I've had good luck calling the SSA 800 number first thing in the morning right when they open at 7am. The wait times are usually much shorter then.
That's a great point about the 7am call time! I never thought about calling right when they open. And thank you for clarifying that survivor benefits don't get delayed retirement credits - that makes the decision clearer. If my own benefit can grow 8% per year while the survivor benefit stays basically the same, it really does seem worth getting those updated calculations to see if waiting makes sense.
Thank you all so much for the helpful information! I've taken notes on everything to share with my sister. She'll be relieved to know her benefits will remain at 50% even after divorce, and it's interesting to learn about the survivor benefits possibility in the future. I'll definitely warn her about keeping documentation and the potential challenges dealing with SSA during the transition. This community has been incredibly helpful!
Just wanted to add one more important point that might help your sister - she should also be aware that if she's currently receiving Medicare through her husband's work history, that coverage may be affected by the divorce. She'll want to check with Medicare about her coverage options post-divorce to make sure there are no gaps. Sometimes people focus on the Social Security benefits and forget about the healthcare coverage aspects. Good luck to her navigating this difficult situation!
Hugo Kass
Welcome to the community! I'm also relatively new here but have been learning so much from everyone's experiences. Your situation sounds really well thought out - it's great that you're planning ahead like this. One thing I wanted to mention that I don't think has been covered yet is the timing of when benefits get calculated. Since your ex-husband passed away at 63 before collecting, his survivor benefit will be based on what his benefit would have been at his Full Retirement Age, not reduced for early claiming. This could actually work in your favor compared to if he had started collecting early. Also, I've seen several people mention keeping good records, and I can't stress this enough. Even though it's been years since your divorce, try to track down not just your marriage certificate, but also your divorce decree. SSA will want to see both documents to verify the length of your marriage and that you meet all the requirements. The fact that you have potentially two different survivor benefit options really does give you a lot of financial security planning opportunities that many people don't have. Best of luck with everything!
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NeonNova
•Welcome to you too! This is such a helpful community for navigating these complex Social Security situations. That's a really good point about the benefit calculation being based on his Full Retirement Age amount rather than a reduced early benefit - I hadn't considered that aspect. It does sound like that could work in my favor since he had pretty high earnings. I definitely need to track down my divorce decree - I know I have it somewhere but it's probably buried in old files. It's encouraging to hear from so many people who have successfully navigated similar situations. The planning aspect is exactly why I wanted to understand this now rather than wait until I'm actually facing these decisions during what would already be a difficult time. Thanks for the warm welcome and the great advice about the timing of benefit calculations!
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Emma Davis
As someone who's dealt with Social Security benefits for years, I wanted to emphasize something that's been touched on but bears repeating - documentation is absolutely crucial for divorced spouse survivor benefits. SSA tends to scrutinize these claims more heavily than regular survivor benefits. Beyond the marriage certificate and divorce decree that others mentioned, also gather any documentation showing your ex-husband's full name, Social Security number, and date of death if you have access to it. If you don't have his SSN, his full name and date of birth should be sufficient for SSA to locate his record. One more strategic point: since you're 58 and planning ahead, consider that if you do become widowed from your current marriage before age 60, you might want to consult with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies. The timing of when you claim survivor benefits versus your own retirement benefit can have significant long-term financial implications, and the "optimal" strategy depends on your specific financial situation and the benefit amounts involved. You're really smart to be thinking through all these scenarios now while you have time to prepare!
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Aisha Ali
•This is excellent advice about documentation - thank you! I definitely don't have my ex-husband's Social Security number anymore, but I do have his full name and date of birth. It's good to know that should be sufficient for SSA to locate his record. The point about consulting with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security is really smart too. I hadn't thought about the complexity of timing between survivor benefits and my own retirement benefit, but it sounds like there could be significant financial implications depending on how I sequence those decisions. Everyone in this community has been so helpful in breaking down all these scenarios and considerations. I feel much more prepared to handle whatever situations might arise, and I have a clear list of documents to gather and strategies to research. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience!
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