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Just wanted to add something that might help with the decision-making process. Your sister-in-law should calculate her "break-even" point to see if working is actually worth it financially. Here's a rough calculation based on what you've shared: - Annual earnings: $40,000 - Survivor benefits lost due to earnings test: ~$8,840 - Additional taxes on combined income: probably $2,000-3,000 more - Work-related expenses (transportation, work clothes, etc.): ~$1,500-2,000 So out of $40,000 in gross earnings, she might only net around $26,000-28,000 after all deductions and benefit reductions. That's still meaningful income, but it's important she understands the real financial impact. The non-financial benefits of working (social interaction, sense of purpose, staying active) might make it worthwhile even with the reduced net gain. But having realistic expectations about the money will help her make the best decision for her situation.
This break-even analysis is really eye-opening! I hadn't thought about calculating the actual net benefit after all the deductions and reductions. That puts things in much better perspective - she'd be working full-time but only netting about 65-70% of her gross pay. I'll definitely share this framework with her so she can make a more informed decision. The social and mental health benefits might still make it worthwhile, but at least she'll know exactly what she's getting into financially. Thank you for laying it out so clearly!
I've been through a very similar situation with my own survivor benefits, and I want to emphasize something that might not be immediately obvious: the timing of when she reports her work income to SSA is crucial. If she waits until the end of the year to report, SSA will likely demand immediate repayment of the overpaid benefits, which can create serious financial stress. However, if she reports her expected annual earnings BEFORE she starts working (or within the first month), they can adjust her monthly payments prospectively. Also, she should be aware that SSA calculates the earnings test on a monthly basis during the first year of work. So if she starts mid-year, they'll prorate the annual limit. For example, if she starts in April, she'd have a higher monthly allowance for the remaining months of that year. One last tip: if her income varies (like seasonal work or irregular hours), she can request that SSA recalculate based on actual monthly earnings rather than estimated annual earnings. This can help avoid both overpayments and underpayments throughout the year. The key is communication with SSA from the very beginning - don't let them find out about the work income after the fact!
One additional suggestion - consider setting up a meeting with your local SSA office BEFORE December. Bring documentation of your planned retirement date and ask them specifically what they'll need from you. Getting ahead of potential issues is much easier than fixing them after the fact. Also, make sure you understand how the earnings test works if you exceed the limit. For every $2 you go over the limit, benefits are reduced by $1. However, it's not a cliff - you don't lose all benefits just for going over. In the year you reach FRA, the earnings test becomes more lenient ($56,520 for 2024), and the reduction is $1 for every $3 over the limit. But this only applies to earnings in the months BEFORE the month you reach FRA.
Thank you for this advice! I've scheduled an appointment with my local office for next month. I'll bring my planned retirement documentation and a list of questions. I understand the earnings test basics, but I want to make absolutely sure I'm handling the monthly vs. annual limits correctly for self-employment income. Planning ahead seems like the best approach.
I went through something very similar when I retired from my consulting business in 2022. One thing that really helped me was creating a "business wind-down timeline" that I shared with SSA proactively. I documented when I stopped taking new clients, when I completed final projects, and when I issued my last invoices. This timeline became crucial evidence that I had genuinely retired in my benefit month, not just reduced my hours temporarily. Also, be prepared for SSA to ask about your business assets and whether you're truly retired or just taking a break. They may want to know if you still maintain professional licenses, business insurance, or office space. Having clear documentation that you've wound down these aspects of your business helps establish that your retirement is genuine. The earnings test can feel like a minefield for self-employed folks, but with good documentation and proactive communication with SSA, it's definitely manageable. Good luck with your retirement planning!
This is such great advice from everyone! I had no idea about the Advance Designation form until reading these responses. My husband and I are both getting older and this is exactly the kind of planning we should be doing. One question - if I designate my adult son as my representative payee in advance, does he need to do anything on his end or sign anything? Or is it just something I complete on my own through my Social Security account? I want to make sure he knows about it but I don't want to burden him with paperwork right now if it's not necessary. Also wondering if anyone knows - can the designated person be someone who lives in a different state? My son lives about 800 miles away but he's really the only family member I'd trust with this responsibility.
Great questions! For the Advance Designation, your son doesn't need to sign anything or do any paperwork on his end right now - it's something you complete entirely on your own through your my Social Security account. However, I'd definitely recommend letting him know you've designated him so he's aware and can plan accordingly if the time ever comes. As for living in a different state - yes, that's absolutely allowed! SSA doesn't require the designated representative payee to live in the same state as the beneficiary. The 800 miles shouldn't be an issue at all. When/if he ever needs to act as your representative payee, he can handle most things by phone or online, though there might be occasional in-person requirements at his local SSA office. It's really smart that you're thinking about this kind of planning. The peace of mind is worth it!
I went through this exact process about 6 months ago after my neighbor had a similar medical emergency and his family struggled with SSA for weeks. The Advance Designation of Representative Payee is definitely the right form - everyone here has given you great advice! Just wanted to add one practical tip: when you complete the form online, take screenshots or print out every page of the process, not just the final confirmation. I learned this the hard way when I had a question later and SSA couldn't immediately locate my designation in their system (it was there, just took some digging on their end). Also, consider having a brief conversation with your wife about what this means so she knows what to expect if she ever needs to step in. The designation itself is easy to complete, but it helps if your designated person understands the process they'd need to follow if the time comes. You're being really smart to plan ahead like this. It's one of those things you hope you'll never need but are so grateful to have in place if you do.
I went through something very similar last year with my disabled daughter and ex-husband's benefits. The family maximum is definitely still calculated the same way it has been for years - the SSA rep was likely confused about any rule changes. What helped me was requesting an appointment at my local SSA office and bringing all my documentation. The in-person representatives seem to have better access to the calculation tools and can walk through the numbers step by step. When I called the 1-800 number, I got different answers every time, but the local office was able to show me exactly how they arrived at my benefit amount. Also, don't forget that if you're still working, there are earnings limits that could affect your benefits if you claim before full retirement age. At 62, you can only earn about $23,400 in 2025 before they start reducing your benefits. This might factor into your decision about when to claim. The $250 sounds low to me given your ex's benefit amount, but the family maximum combined with early claiming reduction could explain it. Definitely push for that written explanation that Jessica mentioned - it's your right to understand exactly how they're calculating your benefits.
This is really helpful, thank you! I think you're right about trying an in-person appointment. The phone representatives definitely seem to have different levels of knowledge and access to the calculation systems. I hadn't thought about the earnings limit either - I am still working part-time, so that's another factor to consider. It sounds like there are so many moving pieces that affect the final amount. I'm going to try calling for a Technical Expert first, and if that doesn't work, I'll schedule an appointment at my local office. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences - it makes me feel less alone in dealing with this confusing system!
I'm sorry you're dealing with this frustrating situation! As someone who recently went through a similar process with Social Security, I can share what I learned. The family maximum is indeed still calculated the same way it has been - typically 150-180% of the primary worker's benefit amount. What might be happening is that your son's disabled adult child benefit is taking up a significant portion of that maximum, leaving less available for your divorced spouse benefit. One thing that helped me get clearer answers was keeping detailed notes during each call, including the representative's name and ID number. When I got conflicting information, I could reference specific previous conversations. Also, don't be afraid to ask them to repeat information slowly - these calculations are complex and the representatives sometimes rush through explanations. Given your ex's $2,700 monthly benefit, a $250 divorced spouse benefit at age 62 does seem quite low, even with the family maximum and early claiming reduction applied. I'd definitely follow the advice others have given about requesting a Technical Expert and getting everything in writing. You deserve to understand exactly how they're arriving at these numbers. Hang in there - this system is incredibly confusing, but you have every right to get clear, consistent answers about your benefits!
AstroAlpha
Just to add one more piece of information - when you apply, make sure you request the "Restricted Application for Spousal Benefits Only" if you're married and your spouse is already collecting. This option is still available for people born before January 2, 1954. This strategy can sometimes allow you to collect spousal benefits while continuing to let your own retirement benefit grow until age 70.
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Chloe Davis
•Thanks for mentioning this, but I was born in 1958, so I don't think this applies to me. My spouse isn't collecting yet either - we're the same age.
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Alejandro Castro
Just wanted to chime in as someone who works in retirement planning - everything you've been told here is absolutely correct. The earnings test disappears completely the month you reach FRA, which for you is October 2025. I've helped dozens of clients navigate this exact situation. One tip I always give: since you're planning to continue working full-time with an $82k salary, consider whether you want to have federal taxes withheld from your Social Security benefits right from the start. With that income level plus Social Security, you'll likely owe taxes on a portion of your benefits. You can set up withholding when you apply, or make quarterly estimated payments - but planning ahead will save you from a surprise tax bill next April. Also, keep good records of your work earnings from January through September 2025, just in case SSA needs documentation later (though with the earnings test eliminated at FRA, it shouldn't matter for benefit calculations).
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