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one thing nobody mentioned - make sure ur doing guardianship paperwork before she turns 18!!! we didnt realize we needed that and it was a NIGHTMARE when my nephew turned 18 even tho he functions like a 7 yr old

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Oh my goodness, that's something I hadn't even considered yet. She's only 13 but I should definitely start learning about guardianship requirements now. I appreciate you bringing this up!

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I'm a retired SSA employee and wanted to add some clarity to this discussion. First, your granddaughter can indeed potentially receive benefits on your record if it would be higher - this is called "dual entitlement" and SSA is supposed to automatically pay whichever is higher, but sometimes you need to specifically request the comparison. However, I want to echo the Medicaid warnings here - this is CRITICAL. Many states have "spend down" programs or disability waivers that might protect her coverage even with higher income, but you absolutely must verify this BEFORE making any changes. A few additional points: - At 73, your benefit amount is likely significantly higher than your son's was at 29, so there's a good chance she'd get more on your record - She should qualify as a "child disability beneficiary" which means benefits can continue past 18 if she remains disabled - Document everything about her current medical needs and expenses - this will be important for both SSA and Medicaid reviews I'd strongly recommend visiting your local SSA office with all her medical documentation and requesting a formal benefit calculation comparison. Don't rely on phone calls for something this important.

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I did this in November it was really easy actually. The call lasted 15 minutes they just asked for my husbands ssn and marriage date and added the spousal part to my existing benifits. Money showed up 2 weeks later in my direct deposit.

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That's encouraging! Did they explain how they calculated the amount or did they just tell you what you'd be getting?

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They just said I was eligible for an extra $420 per month. I didn't ask for the math honestly I was just happy to get anything extra! They did say something about my benefit being less than half of my husbands.

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As someone who just went through this process last month, I wanted to share a few practical tips for your upcoming call: 1. Have a calculator ready - it really helps to do the math yourself as they explain it. My rep walked me through it step by step which made everything much clearer. 2. Ask them to email or mail you a summary of the calculation after the call. This way you have it in writing and can review it later. 3. If your case is approved, ask about the effective date. Mine was retroactive to when I first became eligible, which resulted in a nice lump sum payment. 4. Don't be discouraged if the first rep seems unsure - I had to call back once because the first person gave me conflicting information about my early retirement reduction. The whole process took about 3 weeks from application to first payment, and I was really glad I applied. Given the difference between your benefits ($950 vs $2800), you'll very likely qualify for additional spousal benefits. Good luck with your call on the 24th!

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This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was hoping for! Thank you so much. I'm definitely going to ask for that summary in writing - that's a great idea I wouldn't have thought of. The retroactive payment possibility is really encouraging too. Did they tell you upfront that it would be retroactive, or was that a surprise when you received it?

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The remarriage rule for widow's benefits only applies when you remarry someone OTHER than your deceased spouse. Since you remarried your same husband (not a different person), the "remarriage before age 60" restriction doesn't apply to your situation. When your husband passes away, you should be eligible for widow's benefits based on his earnings record, regardless of the fact that you remarried him before age 60. The key distinction is that you didn't marry a new person - you reconciled with and remarried your original spouse. I'd recommend contacting your local SSA office to confirm this applies to your specific situation and get it documented in your records.

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@Laila Prince Thank you. The before age 60 rule for widow s'benefits is very confusing.

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Just to summarize what's been shared: you made the right choice filing at your FRA for your own benefit of $2200. When your husband files at 70, you'll continue receiving your own benefit since it exceeds what you'd get as a spouse (which would be 50% of his PIA, not 50% of his age-70 amount). Most importantly, if he predeceases you, you would step up to his full $3800 monthly benefit as a survivor. This is exactly why financial advisors often recommend the higher-earning spouse delay benefits until 70 - it creates a form of "longevity insurance" for the surviving spouse.

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Thank you for this clear summary! I feel much more confident about our strategy now. It's such a relief to know I'd receive his full $3800 benefit if he passes before me. That was my biggest concern.

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As a newcomer here, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributed such helpful explanations! I'm approaching a similar situation with my own Social Security planning and this thread has been incredibly educational. The distinction between PIA vs. age-70 benefits for spousal calculations was something I didn't understand before. It's also reassuring to see how the survivor benefit works - that seems like such an important protection for couples where one spouse earned significantly more. One thing I'm curious about - does anyone know if there are any annual limits or caps on survivor benefits? Or would Nia really get the full $3800 monthly that her husband would be receiving at age 70?

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Welcome to the community! Great question about survivor benefit limits. There are no annual caps on survivor benefits themselves - Nia would indeed receive the full $3800 monthly that her husband would be getting at age 70. However, survivor benefits can be subject to the overall family maximum, though this rarely affects a surviving spouse when they're the only beneficiary. The survivor benefit essentially replaces the deceased spouse's benefit, so if he was entitled to $3800 at age 70, that's what she'd receive. The only potential reduction would be if she claimed survivor benefits before her own full retirement age, but since she's already at FRA, she'd get the full amount.

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i got so confused about all this that i paid for a consultation with a financial advisor who specializes in social security. cost me $300 but honestly it was worth it because this stuff is COMPLICATED!! especially with the survivor stuff and working while collecting. might be worth looking into?

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That's not a bad idea. Did you find someone local or use an online service? I'd be interested in getting a recommendation if you were happy with them.

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I used someone local that my brother recommended. Just make sure they actually specialize in SS benefits because my regular financial guy didn't know half this stuff!

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I'm in a similar boat as a newcomer to all this - lost my husband last year and I'm 62 working full time. From reading all these responses, it sounds like the key things to understand are: 1) The earnings test will likely eliminate your benefits completely if you're significantly over the $23,400 limit, 2) You should still apply to establish eligibility even if you can't collect right now, and 3) Consider whether your own retirement benefit at 70 might be higher than the survivor benefit. One question I have after reading all this - if I apply now but can't collect due to earnings, do I still get the delayed retirement credits on my own record if I wait until 70 to switch? Or does applying for survivor benefits affect that somehow? This is all so confusing but everyone's experiences here are really helpful!

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Great question about the delayed retirement credits! From what I understand, applying for survivor benefits doesn't affect your own retirement record's delayed retirement credits. Those are two separate benefits - survivor benefits are based on your late husband's record, while your own retirement benefits continue to earn delayed credits until age 70 regardless of whether you're collecting survivor benefits. So you should still be able to maximize your own benefit by waiting until 70, even if you apply for (but don't collect) survivor benefits now due to the earnings test. But definitely confirm this with SSA since the interaction between different benefit types can be tricky!

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