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Hi everyone, I lost my husband about 3 weeks ago and I'm trying to figure out our Social Security situation. He was 71 and I just turned 71 last month. His SS benefit was around $2,450 per month while mine is only about $1,675. He worked as a union carpenter for 35 years and I've just been approved to receive his pension from the Carpenter Union. What I'm confused about is whether I can now receive his higher SS payment instead of my own since I'll already be getting his pension? The person I talked to at the local SS office wasn't very clear and kept talking about survivor benefits, but didn't explain if receiving his pension affects anything. Does anyone know if I can switch to his higher benefit or are there restrictions I should know about? This is all so overwhelming to deal with while grieving.
Our retirement situation seems straightforward but I'm second-guessing myself about the earnings limits and spousal benefits! My wife and I both hit our full retirement age (FRA) of 66 this month (January 2025). I've been temporarily out of work for about 3 months and considering starting my SS retirement benefits now, but I'm still actively job hunting. If I understand correctly, since I'll be at FRA for all of 2025, I can earn unlimited income without any reduction in benefits? Is that right? Here's our numbers and situation: - My SS benefit if I file now at 66 (FRA): $2,071/month - Wife's benefit if she filed now at 66 (FRA): $1,794/month - Wife's benefit if she waits until 70: $2,532/month My wife plans to continue working full-time for a few more years, potentially until 70 for the maximum benefit. I've read comments about spouses claiming each other's benefits if they're higher, but I don't understand how that works or if it applies to us. Can someone explain this spousal benefit option and whether we should consider it? Also, is there any downside to me filing now while still looking for work? If I get a job next month that pays well, will that affect my benefits at all since I'm at FRA? Thanks for any guidance - we're trying to make the smartest decision for our retirement income!
One last point regarding your strategy: when you pass away (hopefully many decades from now), your wife will receive the higher of the two benefits as a survivor benefit. So by having her wait until 70 to claim her own retirement benefits, you're also potentially maximizing her future survivor benefit. This is especially important since women typically outlive men by several years. The restricted application strategy you're considering provides: 1. Your full benefit now when you need it 2. Extra spousal income for your wife while her benefit grows 3. A maximized benefit for your wife at 70 4. A maximized survivor benefit for your wife if you predecease her It's really an optimal approach for your birth years and situation.
As someone who just went through this process myself, I wanted to add a practical tip: when you go to file the restricted application, bring a printed copy of the SSA Program Operations Manual (POMS) section RS 00615.362 which specifically covers this strategy. I had to visit my local SSA office THREE times before finding someone who understood what I was asking for. The first two representatives insisted it wasn't possible and tried to make me file for both benefits at once. Having the official documentation helped immensely when I finally spoke with a supervisor. Also, make sure your wife emphasizes she wants to "restrict the scope of her application to auxiliary benefits only" - that's the exact language from the POMS that triggers the right process in their system. The strategy really does work exactly as described here, but you may need to be persistent and well-prepared when dealing with SSA staff who aren't familiar with it. Good luck!
So confused about my SS options after my TRS pension triggered WEP! I retired from my Texas school district job in May 2025 and started receiving my teacher's pension. My husband passed away in June 2023, and I began collecting survivor benefits in 2024. The SSA reduced my survivor benefits by $1,110 because of my TRS pension (that Windfall Elimination Provision is brutal). Even though I submitted everything before my retirement and sent my TRS award letter immediately, they're now saying I owe them $4,375 for 4 months of 'overpayments.' When I brought in documentation for my appeal, the representative admitted they already had the information before I submitted the letter, but they still denied my waiver request! Now I'm trying to figure out my next steps. I was born in 1960, turning 65 in three months. Should I: 1) File for my own SS retirement at 62, or wait until 67 (my FRA)? 2) Keep the survivor benefits (with WEP reduction) and delay my own? 3) Switch to something else? My late husband was born in 1943, worked as a mechanic and volunteered as a firefighter for 24 years in a northern state. He retired around 2005-2006. Is there a difference between survivor benefits and drawing off my late husband's record? It's all so confusing with the WEP reduction and overpayment mess. My brain is complete mush trying to figure this out!
did u try asking for a supervisor when they denied your waiver? sometimes the first person just says no to everything but a supervisor can actually help
I'm a retired SSA claims specialist and I've seen thousands of GPO cases like yours. First, don't give up on that overpayment appeal - the fact that they admitted having your documentation beforehand is actually significant. Request an Administrative Law Judge hearing and emphasize that timeline in your testimony. For your benefit strategy, here's what I'd recommend: Get your complete earnings record and benefit estimates from SSA (either online at ssa.gov or through that Claimyr service someone mentioned). You need to know your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) before WEP reduction to make this decision properly. Since you're already receiving survivor benefits (reduced by GPO), the key question is whether your own retirement benefit at FRA would exceed what you're getting now. If your own benefit at 67 would be substantially higher, keep the survivor benefit until then. If not, you might consider filing for reduced retirement at 62 and keeping whichever is higher. One thing many people miss: if you file for your own retirement benefit, WEP will reduce it, but that reduction might be less severe than the GPO reduction you're experiencing on survivor benefits. The math matters here - get those exact numbers!
Hi everyone, I've been on SSDI for about 2 years now (I'm 63). My ex-husband and I were married for 22 years before divorcing 5 years ago. He's been having some serious health issues lately which has me thinking about my own situation. My SSDI payment is currently $1,890 monthly, but I know his benefit is substantially higher (probably around $2,800 based on his career). If he passes away before me, would I be eligible to receive survivor benefits based on his record since it's higher than mine? Or do I have to wait until I reach my full retirement age (which is 67)? I'm confused about how SSDI and survivor benefits interact when you're divorced. Does anyone know if there's a penalty for taking survivor benefits before FRA in my situation?
That's great to know! I wouldn't want his current family to be affected by my claim. Thank you all for the helpful information. I feel much more prepared now if this situation does arise.
Just want to add something that might be helpful - when you do apply for survivor benefits, consider scheduling an appointment at your local SSA office rather than doing it over the phone. I've found that in-person visits tend to result in fewer miscommunications and you can walk away with copies of everything you submit. Also, if your ex-husband's benefit amount changes between now and when you might need to claim (due to cost of living adjustments or if he continues working), your potential survivor benefit would be based on his benefit amount at the time of his death, not what it is currently. So that $2,800 estimate could actually be higher by the time you'd need to claim it. Keep all your divorce paperwork in an easily accessible place - you'll need the divorce decree that shows the marriage duration when you apply.
I helped my husband complete his Social Security retirement and Medicare application online about 3 weeks ago. Everything seemed to go through fine, and we got the confirmation number at the end. But I just realized we never provided any bank account information because he doesn't have a checking account (just a savings account in my name). I'm worried about how he'll receive his benefits. Will Social Security automatically send him a paper check? Or did we mess up the application? He turns 66 (his FRA) next month and we were counting on that first payment. I tried calling SSA but kept getting disconnected after waiting for over an hour! Has anyone else dealt with this direct deposit issue?
btw you should know they don't make the first SS payment right ON your birthday month. My dad had to wait until the month AFTER he turned 66 to get his first payment. something about how they pay for the previous month or something weird like that
Update: We received the Direct Express card in the mail yesterday! Just as many of you predicted. We're going to use it for now and then go to the local SSA office next month to see about switching to direct deposit once we set up a joint checking account. Thanks everyone for your help and advice!
Nia Wilson
If your husband's payment for the month in which he died was directly deposited, the bank should be notified. Typically, Social Security will contact the bank to request the return of the payment. However, if the funds have been spent, Social Security will contact you to arrange repayment. It's best to leave those funds untouched until this is resolved. When you have your appointment about survivor benefits, mention this situation so they can help you handle it correctly.
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Nina Fitzgerald
I'm so sorry for your loss, Diego. Going through this paperwork while grieving is incredibly difficult. Just wanted to add one more thing that might help - when you call to make your appointment, you can also ask them to mail you form SSA-10 (Application for Widow's or Widower's Benefits) ahead of time so you can review it and fill out what you can before your appointment. This can help speed up the process and reduce some of the stress of trying to remember details during the meeting. Also, if you have any joint bank account statements or tax returns that show you were married and living together, bring those too as backup documentation. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.
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