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Can my husband claim spousal benefits with WEP after GPO repeal if he has a government pension?

I need some guidance on spousal benefits with the GPO repeal. My husband (76) and I (73) both claimed Social Security at age 62. He worked primarily for city government and receives a $3,250 monthly pension. He only qualified for a very small Social Security benefit - about $210/month which barely covers his Medicare premium with $15 left over. I get about $1,850/month from my Social Security based on my work record. Now that Congress repealed the Government Pension Offset (GPO), would my husband qualify to receive spousal benefits based on my record? I'm thinking he might be able to get 50% of mine which would be way more than his current SS. Has anyone successfully applied for this since the repeal? How do we figure out if he qualifies and what the amount would be?

Jamal Wilson

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Yes, with the GPO repeal going into effect in 2025, your husband should be eligible to receive spousal benefits based on your record! The previous rule would have reduced or eliminated his spousal benefits because of his government pension, but that's been changed now. He needs to contact SSA to apply for spousal benefits, and if approved, he could receive up to 50% of your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA - the amount you would have received at your full retirement age). However, since he took his own benefits early, there might be some reduction. The spousal benefit would replace his current small benefit, not add to it. I'd recommend making an appointment with SSA specifically to discuss this change.

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Thank you so much! That sounds promising. So do you know if we need to wait until 2025 to apply or can we start the process now? I've heard the SSA is going to be swamped with applications once this goes into effect.

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Mei Lin

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I'm in almost the same boat! My wife worked for county government 30 years, gets tiny SS check. We're going to apply for the spousal benefits as soon as they start accepting applications. From what I read, they haven't even figured out all the details for implementation yet.

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It's nice to know we're not alone! Have you had any luck getting through to anyone at Social Security to discuss this? I've tried calling twice but gave up after being on hold forever.

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Liam Fitzgerald

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One important detail: while GPO is being repealed, the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) is still in effect. They're two different things that affect government pensioners. GPO affected spousal/survivor benefits, which is what you're asking about. WEP reduces a person's own Social Security benefit if they also receive a government pension from non-covered employment. So your husband's own small benefit is probably already reduced by WEP, and that won't change. But the good news is, with GPO gone, he can now apply for the spousal benefit without it being offset by his pension. Just wanted to clarify that distinction since many people confuse WEP and GPO.

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Thank you for explaining the difference! I've been confused about that. So his own small benefit will stay reduced because of WEP, but now he can get spousal benefits that weren't available before because of GPO. That makes sense!

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GalacticGuru

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my husb went thru this last year. SS told us we had to wait til the actual repeal date to apply, cant do it early. check ur dates too, think its Jan 2025 when this kicks in

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Thanks for that information. January 2025 sounds right from what I've read. Did they give you any idea of how long the approval process might take once you can apply?

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Amara Nnamani

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EVERYONE is confused about this!!! I spent 4 HOURS at my local SSA office last month trying to get answers about this exact situation. The first person I spoke with had NO CLUE about the GPO repeal and kept telling me it was impossible. Had to ask for a supervisor who finally confirmed it's happening but said they haven't received official guidance yet on how to process these claims. The whole system is a MESS and they're not prepared for the flood of applications coming. They told me to check back in November for updates on the process. The most frustrating part was how NOBODY seemed to know the same information!!!

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Oh no, that sounds awful! I was planning to visit our local office next week, but maybe I should wait. It's frustrating that they don't have clear guidance yet when so many people will be affected by this change.

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Mei Lin

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Did the agent give any insight on how much backpay we might get? I heard rumors it might be retroactive but that seems too good to be true.

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The agent I spoke with said there won't be any retroactive payments before the implementation date. The new rules only apply going forward from 2025. She did suggest that filing as early as possible in 2025 would be smart since there will likely be processing delays with so many people applying at once.

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Congrats on the extra money coming your way! My parents are in similar situation. Dad worked state gov for 35 yrs. Mom's SS is way higher. Think of it this way - before repeal, your husband got nothing from your record because of GPO. After repeal, he can get spousal benefits! Win!

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Thanks! I'm trying not to get too excited until we know exactly what he'll qualify for, but it would make a big difference for us. Every bit helps with inflation these days!

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Jamal Wilson

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Just to address your specific question about the amount: Your husband would be eligible for up to 50% of your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), but there will likely be a reduction since both of you claimed benefits early. There's a complicated formula SSA uses that factors in his age when he applies for spousal benefits and when you claimed your retirement benefits. Also, he'll receive either his own benefit or the spousal benefit, whichever is higher - not both. Given that his current benefit is so small, the spousal benefit will almost certainly be higher. Once the SSA publishes their implementation guidelines for the GPO repeal, the calculation should become clearer.

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That's really helpful, thank you. Even with some reduction for claiming early, it sounds like he'd still get significantly more than his current $210. We'll definitely follow up on this in early 2025.

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GalacticGuru

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one more thing - make sure u have ur marriage certificate! they made us bring original or certified copy, no photocopies allowed. was a whole extra trip to county office to get it

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Good point! Our marriage certificate is in a safety deposit box. I'll make sure to get it out and have it ready. Thanks for the tip!

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