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I've worked for the Federal Aviation Administration for 26 years and I'm planning to retire next June with my FERS pension. Before that, I worked in the private sector for about 14 years and paid into Social Security the entire time. I've ALSO been paying into Social Security during my government career (unlike CSRS employees). My financial advisor mentioned something about the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP), but I thought that only applies to people who didn't pay SS taxes during government employment? Will my pension reduce my Social Security benefit even though I've consistently paid into both systems? And does my pension count toward the Social Security earnings limit if I decide to claim benefits before my Full Retirement Age? I'm so confused about how these two benefits interact.
I just turned 68 and still haven't filed for Social Security benefits because of the whole WEP/GPO mess affecting my pension. Finally decided it's time to file, and I'd like to backdate my application by 6 months (which would be nice to get those missed payments!). When I called SSA, the representative immediately said backdating wasn't possible. They just told me to come into the office or file online. Looking at my numbers online, it seems like taking 50% of my husband's benefit would give me slightly more than filing on my own record (I only worked in SS-covered employment for about 10 years). Since I probably won't be filing on my own record, backdating seems to make financial sense. Does anyone know if backdating IS actually possible? The rep seemed in a hurry and I'm not sure they understood my situation. Is this something I should push for when I go to the office in person? The extra 6 months of payments would really help with some home repairs we've been putting off.
After I finally got my Social Security backdated last year, they messed up my Medicare enrollment and tried to charge me penalties even though I had employer coverage! Then took 4 months to fix that error. And don't even get me started on how they calculated my WEP reduction - they got it wrong TWICE before getting it right. Just be prepared for a long battle with multiple phone calls and office visits. The system is completely broken. Print out the exact SSA rules about backdating from their website and bring them with you. Sometimes you have to educate THEM about their own policies!!
That sounds awful! Were you able to get everything fixed eventually? I'm about to start my application and all these horror stories are making me nervous!
Yes, it did eventually get fixed, but only because I was persistent and kept careful records of every conversation. My advice is to be polite but firm, learn the relevant policies, and don't assume they know what they're doing. And if one person tells you something that doesn't sound right, don't hesitate to call back and speak with someone else.
I work at a local SSA field office and can confirm that backdating up to 6 months is absolutely allowed for retirement benefits - that phone rep gave you completely wrong information! This happens way too often unfortunately. When you come in, bring your marriage certificate, birth certificate, and documentation of your government pension amount. Ask specifically for a "protective filing date" of 6 months ago. Make sure they calculate BOTH your own benefit (reduced by WEP) AND spousal benefit (reduced by GPO) to see which is higher after all reductions are applied. One tip from the inside - if the first person you speak with seems unsure about WEP/GPO rules, politely ask to speak with someone who specializes in these provisions. Not all our staff gets regular training on these complex situations, but we do have specialists who handle them regularly. Good luck with your appointment! The backdated payments should help with those home repairs.
I'm trying to plan ahead for survivor benefits (I'm eligible in about 3 years after my husband passed away last year). I understand there's an earnings limit for survivor benefits before reaching full retirement age, which is fine. I'm planning to work part-time when I start collecting, but I'm confused about the TIMING. Do I need to reduce my hours BEFORE filing for survivor benefits? If so, how long before filing should I go from full-time to part-time? I currently work 40+ hours weekly and contribute heavily to my 401k, which I'd like to continue as long as possible. But I don't want to mess up my benefits by having too much income right when I file. Does SSA look at my earnings for the whole calendar year or just after I start receiving benefits? Any insights from those who've navigated this would be SO helpful!
@profile8 Yes, it's called the "Monthly Earnings Test" or sometimes the "Grace Year Rule." It only applies in the first year you receive benefits. It means that regardless of your total annual earnings, in any month you earn below the monthly limit AND don't perform substantial self-employment services, you'll receive your benefit for that month. This is particularly useful for people who have high earnings early in the year but then retire or substantially reduce their work mid-year. You can find this in the SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS) section RS 02501.080.
Thank you all so much for this information! This is exactly what I needed to know to plan properly. I think my approach will be to work full-time until I file, then immediately reduce to part-time to stay under the monthly limit. And I'll make sure to use that Claimyr service to connect with SSA directly to confirm all these details for my specific situation before I make any changes. You've all been incredibly helpful!
Just wanted to add one more consideration for your planning - make sure to factor in any potential cost-of-living adjustments (COLA) when calculating the earnings limits for future years. The $22,300 limit mentioned for 2025 is an estimate, and the actual amount could be slightly different when SSA announces it officially. Also, if you're planning to maximize your 401k contributions while working full-time, remember that those contributions will actually REDUCE your countable earnings for Social Security purposes since they're pre-tax deductions. This could help you stay closer to the earnings limit even while working more hours. Good luck with your planning - it sounds like you're being very thoughtful about this transition!
My brother is 60 years old and receives Social Security disability benefits (I think SSDI, not sure if it matters). He's been disabled for about 12 years now but recently started talking about wanting to go back to college to finish his degree. He only completed 2 years back in his 20s and feels like this might give him some purpose. I'm worried this could mess up his benefits though. Would SSA see him enrolling in college as proof he's capable of working? Would they cut his monthly payments or terminate his benefits entirely? He's really struggling financially and emotionally, and I don't want to discourage him, but I also don't want him to lose what little income he has. Has anyone dealt with this? Can disabled people on SS attend college without losing benefits?
I want to add one more thing - if your brother is receiving Medicare due to his disability status, attending college won't affect that coverage either. Some people worry about losing health insurance, but education doesn't impact Medicare eligibility for disabled beneficiaries.
This is such a thoughtful question to ask on behalf of your brother! I'm a disability advocate and I can confirm that attending college generally does NOT jeopardize SSDI benefits. The Social Security Administration actually encourages education through several programs. One thing I'd add that others haven't mentioned - your brother might want to look into whether his college offers priority registration for students with disabilities. Many schools allow disabled students to register early, which can help him get classes that work better with his health needs and schedule. Also, if he does decide to pursue this, he should keep documentation of his educational goals and how they relate to managing his disability or potentially contributing to society in ways that work within his limitations. While it's not required, having that information can be helpful if any questions ever arise. The fact that he's considering this shows real strength and determination. Education can be incredibly therapeutic and provide that sense of purpose he's looking for, regardless of whether it ever leads to employment.
I've been reading up on Social Security spousal benefits and getting confused about our situation. My husband and I are planning our retirement and trying to maximize our benefits. He's always earned substantially more than me (about 3x my income). I turn 70 in 2027 and plan to delay claiming until then. My husband turns 68 in 2027 and wants to claim then. I've heard about spousal benefits being 50% of the higher earner's amount, but I'm not clear if this applies in our situation since we're both claiming so late. Can I still apply for the 50% spousal benefit in this scenario, or does that only work if I claim earlier? Would I get my own benefit plus something extra? We're trying to plan our income for 2027-2028 and this makes a big difference. Thanks for any help!
My sister actually got a spousal benefit for 3 years and THEN switched to her own benefit when she hit 70. But that was under the old rules that changed in 2015 with the Bipartisan Budget Act. You can't do that strategy anymore unless you were born before January 2, 1954. Just mentioning it because there's a lot of outdated advice floating around from people who filed under the old rules!
Just wanted to add one more consideration that might help with your planning - if you do end up qualifying for a spousal benefit (because your own benefit at 70 is still less than 50% of your husband's PIA), you don't have to wait until 70 to claim it. You could potentially claim your spousal benefit as early as your Full Retirement Age without any reduction, since spousal benefits don't earn delayed retirement credits anyway. This could give you some income starting earlier while your own benefit continues to grow with delayed credits until 70. Definitely worth running the numbers on both scenarios when you check your estimates on ssa.gov!
This is really valuable information! I hadn't considered that I could potentially claim the spousal benefit earlier while letting my own benefit continue to grow. That could make a significant difference in our cash flow planning for those early retirement years. When I check our estimates on ssa.gov, should I be comparing my benefit at Full Retirement Age to 50% of his PIA, or my projected benefit at 70 to 50% of his PIA to determine if I'd qualify for spousal benefits?
Great question! You should compare your projected benefit at 70 (with all the delayed retirement credits) to 50% of his PIA to determine if you'd qualify for spousal benefits. If your own benefit at 70 is still less than 50% of his PIA, then you'd get the spousal benefit. However, the strategy Nathan mentioned could be worth exploring - if you qualify for spousal benefits, you could claim them at your FRA while letting your own benefit grow until 70, then potentially switch if your own benefit becomes higher. But this gets complex, so definitely worth discussing with an SSA representative when you're ready to file!
Paolo Marino
This is such a helpful discussion! I'm also a federal employee (FERS) with about 20 years of service and have been wondering about these same issues. Reading through everyone's experiences has really clarified things for me. One thing I wanted to add that might be useful - I recently attended a pre-retirement seminar through my agency, and they mentioned that you can actually get an estimate of your Social Security benefits that takes into account any potential WEP or GPO reductions by creating an account at ssa.gov and using their online calculators. There's a specific section where you can input pension information to see how it might affect your benefits. The presenter also emphasized what others have said here - that FERS employees generally don't need to worry about WEP since we've been paying into Social Security throughout our careers. But they did stress the importance of understanding GPO if you're planning to claim spousal or survivor benefits. It's really reassuring to see so many people confirm that FERS pensions and Social Security work together as designed. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences - it's way more helpful than the confusing information you sometimes get from official sources!
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Brianna Schmidt
Thanks for mentioning the online calculators at ssa.gov! I'm relatively new to federal service but already thinking ahead about retirement planning. It's really helpful to know there are tools that can factor in the pension interactions. Your point about the pre-retirement seminars is interesting too - I should probably look into whether my agency offers those. It sounds like they provide much clearer information than what you might get from a random phone call to SSA. I'm definitely relieved to see the consensus here that FERS employees don't typically face WEP issues. When you're just starting your federal career, all these acronyms and provisions can seem really overwhelming. This discussion has made me feel much more confident about understanding how my future benefits will work together.
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Carmen Reyes
As a newer community member who's been following this discussion, I just want to say how valuable this thread has been! I'm currently working in the private sector but considering a federal position, and understanding how FERS interacts with Social Security was one of my concerns. It's really reassuring to see the consistent message from multiple people with actual experience that FERS employees don't face WEP reductions since they pay into both systems. The distinction between WEP (which affects those who didn't pay SS taxes) and GPO (which can affect spousal/survivor benefits even for FERS employees) is something I never would have understood without reading everyone's experiences. The practical tips about using services like Claimyr to actually get through to SSA, checking your Social Security Statement for accuracy, and asking for technical experts when calling are incredibly helpful. It's clear that even SSA representatives sometimes get confused about these provisions, so having multiple sources of information is crucial. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their real-world experiences - it's made a complex topic much clearer for those of us still planning our careers and retirement strategies!
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