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Social Security vs OPM survivor benefits for my nephew - can he receive both after federal employee death?

My brother-in-law passed away suddenly last month at 32, and I'm trying to help my sister figure out benefits for their 8-year-old son. He worked for the Department of Interior for just over 2 years (about 28 months total). We've already started the Social Security survivor benefit application, but yesterday the federal HR department told us something confusing. They said my nephew qualifies for OPM (Office of Personnel Management) survivor benefits until he's 22, but that he can only receive EITHER the OPM benefits OR Social Security benefits - not both. Even stranger, they claimed we don't get to choose which one he receives - they'll make that determination for us? This doesn't sound right to me. Shouldn't we be able to compare the benefit amounts and choose the better option? Has anyone dealt with survivor benefits for a federal employee's child? The monthly amount matters a lot since my sister is now a single parent with a mortgage.

Update: We finally got through to SSA yesterday and started the application. The representative confirmed what several of you said - my nephew can receive both benefits, but the OPM benefit will be reduced by whatever he gets from Social Security. She estimated his monthly SS benefit will be around $1,875. We also got the OPM paperwork started with a benefits specialist (thank you for that suggestion!). They're estimating about $2,140 monthly, so if those numbers are accurate, he would get the full SS benefit ($1,875) plus the difference from OPM ($265). Thank you all SO much for the help and guidance. This has been an overwhelming time and your expertise made a huge difference.

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I'm glad you got the correct information! Those benefit amounts sound about right based on the length of service you mentioned. Be sure your sister sets aside some of this money for your nephew's future education if possible. One other tip: she should check if her brother-in-law had any FEGLI (Federal Employees Group Life Insurance) - that's separate from the survivor benefits and has its own application process.

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I'm so sorry for your family's loss. As someone who works in federal benefits administration, I want to emphasize how important it is that you got the correct information from SSA. The HR person's initial explanation was misleading - while technically your nephew can't receive the "full" amount of both benefits simultaneously due to the offset, he absolutely should apply for both to ensure he receives the maximum possible benefit. One additional thing to keep in mind: make sure your sister understands that these benefits will continue until your nephew turns 18 (or 19 if still in high school). The OPM benefit can extend to 22 if he's a full-time college student, but the Social Security portion stops at 18/19. This might affect financial planning for his later college years. Also, definitely follow up on the FEGLI suggestion - federal employees often have basic life insurance that's separate from these survivor annuities, and that could provide additional financial support for your nephew's future.

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Social Security ALJ hearing for overpayment appeal - should I submit all 80+ documents or will SSA have complete file?

I'm in a mess with Social Security over an overpayment that they started collecting even though my appeal was pending (from what I understand, that's against their own rules). The overpayment issue started back in 2020, and in June 2022 when I filed for reconsideration, the only requirement was to file timely to prevent withholding during the reconsideration process. My local SS office confirmed that filing for an Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) hearing is my next step. My question is about documentation - I've accumulated over 80 pages of documents including all correspondence with SSA since this started. Should I include ALL of these documents with my ALJ hearing request? Or can I assume the ALJ will have access to my complete file with all the information and timely filing dates? I'm worried that not including everything might hurt my case if SSA's files are incomplete, but I'm also concerned that sending too much documentation might complicate things further. Also, since this is about an overpayment rather than getting benefits approved, I'm planning to represent myself without an attorney (seems like there's no money in it for them except reducing what I might have to pay back). Is self-representation a bad idea for an ALJ hearing? I need to submit my forms by Monday to meet the deadline, so any quick advice would be greatly appreciated!

btw don't send original documents!!! only send COPIES. my friend sent originals and ssa lost them all!! make sure u keep ur originals safe

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Definitely! I've already made copies of everything. I wouldn't trust anyone with my only copies of these documents at this point.

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Just wanted to add - make sure you request a copy of your complete SSA file well before your hearing if you haven't already! You can submit Form SSA-L725 to get your entire administrative file. This will show you exactly what the ALJ will be looking at and help you identify any missing documents. I did this for my hearing and discovered they were missing several key pieces of correspondence that proved my timeline. Having your own copy of their file also helps you reference specific documents during the hearing by their exhibit numbers. Good luck with your Monday deadline!

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Social Security FRA calculation confusion - does my birthday on the 12th push my benefit start date to the next month?

I'm trying to plan my retirement for next year and I'm confused about how my Full Retirement Age (FRA) date actually works with my birthday. If my FRA is 67 and 4 months, and my birthday falls on the 17th of a month (let's say September 17th), would my actual FRA date be January 17th or February 1st? I've read SSA pays benefits for the previous month, so when would I actually get my first check? Would I file in January or February to start benefits at my exact FRA? Not using my real birthdate here, just trying to understand how the timing works with the payment schedule. The SSA website is confusing me more than helping!

To make sure we've got this clear for the original poster: If your FRA is 67 and 4 months and you were born on September 17th, your FRA is January 17th. You can file for benefits up to 4 months before January (as early as September) and specify January as your start month. Your benefits will start in January (the full month is credited to you even though your FRA is on the 17th), and your first payment will arrive in February on the third Wednesday. There's no advantage to waiting until January to file - in fact, filing 2-3 months early (while still specifying January as your start date) is recommended to avoid processing delays.

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Thank you all so much! This was incredibly helpful. I understand now that I should: 1. File 2-3 months before January (October/November) 2. Specify January as my benefit start month 3. Expect my first payment in February (for January's benefits) 4. Get paid on the third Wednesday of each month Much clearer than anything I found on the SSA website!

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Just want to add one more helpful tip for anyone reading this - when you do file your application (whether online or by phone), make sure to have your most recent tax return handy and any W-2s from the current year. SSA will need to verify your earnings history to calculate your benefit amount. Also, if you're married, they'll ask about your spouse's Social Security number and birth date even if they're not filing yet, as this affects potential spousal benefits down the line. The online application at ssa.gov is usually the fastest way to apply and you can save your progress if you need to gather documents. Good luck with your retirement planning!

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Social Security at FRA vs delaying when contributing to Deferred Comp plan - tax implications?

I'm trying to decide when to start my Social Security benefits and could use some advice. I'm turning my Full Retirement Age (67) next April and I'm still working part-time as a consultant for my former employer. I have the option to put a substantial amount into my government Deferred Compensation plan (457b) each year - about $22,500. My financial advisor mentioned I could potentially "offset" my earnings for Social Security taxation purposes by contributing to this plan, but I'm not entirely clear what that means for my claiming strategy. Does it make more sense to claim at my FRA since I can shelter some income, or should I still delay until 70 for the higher monthly amount? My annual income is around $48,000 from the consulting work. I'm trying to be tax-efficient while maximizing my SS benefits. Any insights from those who've been in a similar situation?

Thank you everyone for the thoughtful responses! Based on your advice, I'm leaning toward delaying until 70 while continuing to max out my 457(b) contributions and drawing from my brokerage accounts as needed. Given my family history of longevity and current good health, the guaranteed 24% increase seems worth waiting for. I'll schedule a meeting with my financial advisor to map out a year-by-year withdrawal strategy that minimizes taxes during this bridge period. Really appreciate all the insights!

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Sounds like you've gotten some excellent advice here! As someone who works in retirement planning, I'd add one more consideration: review your projected monthly expenses during retirement to make sure you have adequate bridge funding for those 3 years between FRA and age 70. Since you're consulting part-time and have that $48K income, you might want to calculate whether continuing that work (even at a reduced level) plus 457(b) contributions plus brokerage withdrawals will comfortably cover your lifestyle. The peace of mind from having a solid cash flow plan during the delay period is just as important as the math behind the decision. Also consider setting up a spreadsheet to track how your "combined income" calculation will change once you start SS at 70 - it'll help with tax planning in those early retirement years.

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Social Security payment date changing for November 2025? 3rd Wednesday confusion

I'm confused about my Social Security check for November 2025. Normally I get paid on the 3rd Wednesday of the month (I was born on the 17th), but someone at my senior center said November payments are being moved to the last week of the month? Is this true? I need to know because I have to schedule some medical procedures and I'm trying to time them for after my check comes in. Has anyone gotten any official notice about this? The SSA website doesn't mention anything about a schedule change that I could find.

As a newcomer here, I really appreciate seeing this helpful discussion! It's reassuring to know that so many community members are willing to share accurate information and help clarify confusing rumors. I'm also someone who relies on Social Security payments and timing is crucial for budgeting medical expenses and other necessities. It's good to see that Gabriel Freeman was able to get official confirmation from SSA that the November 2025 schedule remains unchanged. This kind of misinformation can cause unnecessary stress for seniors who depend on these payments. Thanks to everyone who took the time to provide factual responses!

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As another newcomer to this community, I want to echo what others have said about how valuable it is to have members who take the time to verify information with official sources. I've been receiving Social Security for about two years now, and I've learned that rumors like this one can spread quickly, especially in community settings where people are genuinely trying to help each other. What I find particularly helpful about this discussion is seeing the different ways people approach getting accurate information - from checking the official SSA website to calling directly (even with the challenges of long wait times) to using services that can help connect you faster. It's a great reminder that when in doubt, always go to the official source rather than relying on secondhand information, no matter how well-intentioned it might be.

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Welcome to our community! Your point about rumors spreading in well-intentioned community settings really resonates with me. I've noticed this happens a lot - someone hears something third or fourth-hand and passes it along thinking they're being helpful, but it can cause real anxiety for those of us managing tight budgets around our payment schedules. I'm glad to see experienced members like Gabriel Freeman and KaiEsmeralda taking the initiative to verify facts directly with SSA. It's also encouraging to see people sharing practical solutions like that Claimyr service for getting through to representatives more efficiently. These kinds of resources are invaluable when you really need to speak to someone official but can't spend hours on hold.

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