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Can I receive Social Security survivor benefits from first husband while second husband is still alive?

I'm really confused about this projection matrix thing with Social Security. Is this related to survivor benefits? My situation: my first husband passed away 33 years ago, but we were divorced when he died. I've been married to my second husband for 25 years, and he's still alive (thankfully!). Someone at church mentioned I might be eligible for benefits from my first husband even though we were divorced when he died and I'm currently married. Is this true or are they mixing things up? I was married to my first husband for 12 years if that matters. I'm turning 62 next month and trying to figure out all my options. Thanks for any help with this confusing stuff!

NeonNova

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There's no such thing as a 'projection matrix' in Social Security benefits - they might have been referring to a benefit projection statement or calculation. But regarding your actual question: Yes, you might be eligible for divorced survivor benefits based on your first husband's record! Since you were married for more than 10 years before divorcing and you haven't remarried before age 60, you could potentially claim survivor benefits from your first husband's record while your current husband is still alive. The fact that you remarried after 60 makes you eligible. Call the SSA to discuss your specific situation though - their rules can get complicated, especially with the timing.

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Oh thank you! That makes so much more sense. Yes maybe they meant benefit projection. I had no idea I could get benefits from my first husband since I'm remarried now. I've tried calling SSA but keep getting stuck on hold forever. I'll keep trying.

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Dylan Campbell

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im 90% sure u cant get benefits from an ex if ur married now, gotta be single to claim exs benefits. my aunt tried this and got denied. projection matrix sounds like math homework lol

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NeonNova

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Actually, this is incorrect. The rules are different for divorced spousal benefits versus divorced survivor benefits. You're right that generally you can't receive divorced SPOUSAL benefits if you're currently married. However, with divorced SURVIVOR benefits (when the ex-spouse has died), you CAN receive them if you remarried after age 60. Since the original poster remarried after her first husband died and was presumably over 60 when remarrying her second husband, she likely qualifies.

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Sofia Hernandez

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I work with retirees navigating Social Security and see this situation frequently. There's an important distinction here that causes confusion: the rules for divorced spousal benefits vs. divorced survivor benefits are different. In your case, since your first husband passed away, we're talking about survivor benefits. Here's what matters: 1. You were married 12 years (over the 10-year minimum) 2. You remarried after age 60 (based on timeline) You WOULD be eligible to claim survivor benefits from your first husband's record even while currently married. However, the optimal strategy depends on several factors: - Your own work record - Your current husband's benefit amount - Your first husband's benefit amount One common approach is to take the survivor benefit at 60-FRA while letting your own retirement benefit grow until 70 (or vice versa). This is called a restricted application strategy and can significantly increase lifetime benefits.

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Thank you so much for the detailed explanation! I worked as a teacher for 30 years so I have my own work record, but I'm not sure if my pension will affect things. I think I need to find out what my first husband's benefit amount would have been. Do they still have that information after so many years?

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Sofia Hernandez

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Yes, the SSA maintains those records indefinitely. BUT - since you mentioned you were a teacher, this is crucial information! If you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security (many teacher pensions fall in this category), you might be subject to the Government Pension Offset (GPO) which could reduce or eliminate survivor benefits. You absolutely need personalized advice on this situation.

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Oh no! Yes my teaching years weren't covered by Social Security. I've heard about this GPO thing but hoped it wouldn't apply to survivor benefits. This is all so frustrating!!

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EVERYONE LISTEN UP! The SSA deliberately makes this stuff confusing so you'll miss out on benefits you're entitled to!!!! I went through something similar and found out I'd missed out on THOUSANDS because no one at SSA bothered to tell me about survivor options after my ex died. The GPO is a SCAM to steal benefits from public servants. 😡😡😡

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Ava Thompson

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While I understand the frustration, the GPO isn't technically a scam - it was designed to prevent "double-dipping" from two different retirement systems. Whether that's fair is certainly debatable, but it is the law currently. The real issue is that SSA representatives aren't always thorough in explaining all options, which is why getting informed before filing is so important.

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Miguel Ramos

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Thanks for the tip! I'll check it out. At this point I just need to talk to someone who can look at my specific situation with both the divorce, remarriage, and pension issues.

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Thank you everyone for the helpful advice! I'm going to try to reach SSA to get specific information about my situation. I'll ask about: 1. If I'm eligible for survivor benefits from my first husband despite being remarried 2. How my teacher pension affects things (GPO) 3. Whether I should take survivor benefits now and my own benefits later or vice versa Wish me luck navigating this maze!

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Ava Thompson

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That's a great plan. Make sure to ask specifically about the GPO calculation if you are eligible for survivor benefits. It's usually a reduction of 2/3 of your pension amount from the survivor benefit. In some cases, if your pension is large enough, it can eliminate the survivor benefit entirely. But don't get discouraged - get the specific numbers for your situation and then you can make an informed decision.

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Sofia Hernandez

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One last tip - when you talk to SSA, ask them to run a benefits calculation called the "maximize my benefits" scenario, where they look at all possible filing strategies. Also, request a copy of your deceased ex-husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) - that's the base figure they'll use for your potential survivor benefit before any reductions. Good luck, and feel free to come back with questions after your call!

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Thank you! I will definitely ask for that maximize scenario and the PIA information. I appreciate everyone's help!

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