Social Security survivor benefits confusion - can I claim from ex-spouse if current spouse dies first?
I'm trying to understand Social Security survivor benefits in my complicated situation. I was married to my first husband for 22 years before we divorced in 2016. I remarried in 2019 (before I turned 60). I understand I can't get any benefits from my ex while I'm married to my current husband. Here's where I'm confused - I vaguely remember reading somewhere that if my current husband passes away before my ex-husband, I might be eligible for survivor benefits from my ex-husband. But if my ex passes away first, then I'd only be eligible for survivor benefits from my current husband when he passes. Can someone please clarify the rules here? My ex had a much higher income throughout his career, so his benefit would be substantially larger. I'm 58 now and trying to understand all my options for when I hit retirement age. Thanks for any help!
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
You've got it partially right, but there are some important details you should know. Since you remarried before 60, you generally cannot claim survivor benefits on your ex-spouse's record, even if your current spouse passes away. The rule is that you must be unmarried OR have remarried after age 60 to be eligible for survivor benefits from a deceased ex-spouse. However, if your current marriage ends (either by death or divorce), you COULD then become eligible for survivor benefits from your ex-spouse if he has passed away by that point. The order of death between your current spouse and ex-spouse doesn't matter for eligibility purposes. Since you were married to your ex for over 10 years, you meet the duration requirement for ex-spouse benefits. Just remember that survivor benefits are different from spousal benefits - different rules apply.
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Giovanni Colombo
•Thank you for explaining that. So to make sure I understand correctly - if my current husband passes away, I would be eligible for survivor benefits on HIS record, but I would still not be eligible for any benefits from my ex unless I get divorced from my current husband before he dies? The marriage before/after 60 rule is for remarriage after already being eligible for survivor benefits, not for my situation?
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Dylan Cooper
My mom went through something similar and the SSA told her totally different things each time she called!!! So frustrating! I think you should just call them directly and ask but good luck getting through lol
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Sofia Ramirez
Let me clarify exactly how this works: 1. If your current husband passes away, you would be eligible for survivor benefits on his record. 2. If your ex-husband passes away while you're still married to your current husband, you CANNOT claim survivor benefits on your ex's record because you remarried before age 60. 3. If your current marriage ends (through death or divorce) AND THEN your ex passes away, you could claim survivor benefits on your ex's record. 4. If your current marriage ends (through death or divorce) AFTER your ex has already passed away, you still cannot claim survivor benefits on your ex's record because you were married to someone else at the time of his death AND had remarried before 60. The key factor is your marital status at the time of your ex-spouse's death, combined with whether you remarried before or after 60. The order of death between your current husband and ex does matter in determining eligibility.
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Giovanni Colombo
•This is really helpful, thank you! So the timing and sequence of events makes a huge difference. I'm a bit disappointed since my ex's benefit would be much higher, but at least I understand the rules now. I'll need to factor this into my retirement planning.
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Dmitry Volkov
i went thru something similar and let me tell u, it depends on which ssa person u talk to!! they all tell u different things. my cousin was told one thing and then when she went to file they said something completely different!!
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StarSeeker
I've seen SO MANY people get wrong information about this exact situation! The SSA phone reps often misunderstand these complicated rules. If you're trying to plan ahead, I'd recommend documenting everything carefully. If your ex's benefit would be substantially higher, you might want to run the numbers on different scenarios. One thing nobody mentioned - if your current spouse passes away, you get survivor benefits from him. Then if you were to divorce and remain unmarried until 60, and THEN remarry someone else, you could potentially keep those survivor benefits from your second husband. Social Security rules are INCREDIBLY complicated when multiple marriages are involved!
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Giovanni Colombo
•Wait, this is getting even more complicated than I thought! So hypothetically, if my current husband passed away, I could collect survivor benefits from him, then potentially remarry after 60 and still keep those benefits? But I still couldn't get anything from my ex unless I was unmarried when he died? Social Security is so confusing!
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Ava Martinez
YOU ARE GETTING INCORRECT INFORMATION!!! I just went through this EXACT scenario with my aunt. She remarried at 58 after divorcing her husband of 25 years. Current husband died first, then ex died 2 years later. SSA DENIED her claim for benefits on her ex's record specifically BECAUSE she was married at the time of his death AND had remarried before 60!!! Don't believe what people tell you here - go straight to SSA and get it in writing!!! The order of deaths ABSOLUTELY MATTERS in this scenario!!
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Giovanni Colombo
•Thanks for sharing your aunt's experience. This confirms what the other poster was saying - I won't be eligible for my ex's benefits if he dies while I'm still married to my current husband. It's frustrating that the rules are so complicated, but at least I know what to expect now.
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Miguel Ortiz
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Dylan Cooper
•Does this actually work? I tried calling SSA like 5 times last month and gave up because I kept getting disconnected after waiting forever!!
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Miguel Ortiz
•Yes, it actually worked for me! I was skeptical too but was desperate after trying for weeks. Got connected to a real agent who helped with my complicated disability question. Much better than guessing about these complicated rules.
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Sofia Ramirez
Just to be absolutely clear about the rules (since there's some confusion in the comments): To receive survivor benefits on an ex-spouse's record, you must: 1. Have been married to that ex-spouse for at least 10 years (you meet this at 22 years) 2. Be at least 60 years old (or 50 if disabled) when applying 3. NOT be entitled to a higher benefit on your own record 4. Be unmarried OR have remarried after turning 60 (or 50 if disabled) The critical part for your situation is that when your ex-spouse dies, if you are married to someone else AND you remarried before turning 60, you permanently lose eligibility for survivor benefits from that ex-spouse. The timing matters tremendously here. This is why getting accurate information directly from SSA is so important for planning purposes.
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Giovanni Colombo
•Thank you for the clear breakdown of the rules. Based on everything I've learned here, it seems my best option is to plan around receiving survivor benefits from my current husband if he predeceases me, since I've remarried before 60 and likely won't be able to claim on my ex's record. I appreciate everyone's help with such a complicated topic!
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StarSeeker
You've received good information about the specific rules, but I'd recommend also thinking about how this affects your overall retirement strategy. Since you're 58, you're approaching the age where you need to start making decisions about when to claim your own retirement benefits. Your own retirement benefit at Full Retirement Age (FRA) is completely separate from any potential survivor benefits. You should consider whether maximizing your own benefit by waiting until 70 might be advantageous, especially given the uncertainty around survivor benefits. The SSA's website has some good calculators, but this is definitely a situation where speaking directly with them about your specific circumstance is worthwhile.
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