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So confused about this whole ex-spouse Social Security benefit thing! I'm turning 64 next month (born in 1961) and was planning to file for benefits based on my ex-husband's record since he was a high earner and we were married for 22 years. But someone at my retirement planning group mentioned there's some rule change that affects people born after 1954 regarding how you can collect ex-spouse benefits. Something about not being able to file a restricted application anymore? I thought I could just take the spousal benefit at 66 and then switch to my own higher benefit later, but now I'm hearing that's not possible? Can anyone explain this in simple terms? I've tried reading the SSA website but it's so confusing with all the technical language.
I'm turning 62 next month and planning to claim my SS retirement benefits while living in Portugal. I've been researching whether I should file through the Federal Benefits Unit (FBU) at the US Embassy here or if I should just fly back to the States for a couple weeks to handle it directly with an SSA office. Has anyone gone through either process while living abroad? If you filed through an FBU, was it efficient or a bureaucratic nightmare? Any expats who filed directly in the US - was it worth the trip? Just trying to figure out which route will be less of a headache and get my benefits flowing faster.
If you decide to file through the FBU, make sure you understand how international agreements affect your benefits. Portugal and the US have a Totalization Agreement that coordinates Social Security benefits. This means time worked in Portugal might count toward US eligibility requirements and vice versa. However, this can also trigger the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) if you receive a pension from Portugal, potentially reducing your US benefits. This is one area where speaking with an SSA representative who understands international agreements can be valuable.
I wasn't aware of the Totalization Agreement implications. That does make me think I need someone knowledgeable about international cases. Do regular SSA offices have specialists for international situations, or would the FBU staff actually be better equipped for this?
FBU staff are generally more familiar with international agreements and WEP calculations since that's their specialty. However, their knowledge can vary significantly between locations. The Portugal FBU should be well-versed in the US-Portugal Totalization Agreement since they handle these cases regularly. That said, if you have complex earnings records spanning multiple countries, a US office with access to all systems might be able to resolve issues faster. You could always call the Portugal FBU first to gauge their expertise level before deciding.
Just a practical note - if you do decide to travel to the US to file, bring EVERY possible document you might need: original birth certificate, marriage certificate if applicable, all passports (current and expired), tax returns from the last few years, proof of foreign residency, and your complete work history. Better to have too much documentation than not enough!
My mother passed away in December 2024 and had been receiving reduced Social Security benefits due to GPO (Government Pension Offset). Now that HR 82 has passed and the WEP/GPO has been repealed, I'm wondering if SSA will calculate and pay the back benefits she should have received from Dec 2023-Dec 2024 when she was alive but subject to GPO reduction. Her SSA record now shows deceased status. Will SSA automatically process these retroactive payments to her estate, or do I need to contact them and file something specific? I'm the executor of her estate and trying to make sure everything is handled correctly. Has anyone dealt with retroactive payments for someone who passed away recently?
I'm so sorry for your loss. I went through something very similar when my father passed in early 2024 - he had been receiving reduced benefits due to WEP. Here's what I learned from the process: You're absolutely right to pursue this. The retroactive payments don't happen automatically for deceased beneficiaries. I had to visit my local SSA office three times before finding someone who really understood the WEP/GPO repeal implementation for estates. Bring multiple copies of everything - the death certificate, your Letters Testamentary, her most recent SS award letter, documentation of her government pension, and ideally printouts of her benefit payments for Dec 2023-Dec 2024. The SSA-1724 form that Ethan mentioned is crucial. One thing that helped me was creating a simple timeline document showing exactly when her benefits were reduced and by how much each month. It made the calculation process much clearer for the SSA representative. Also, don't give up if the first person you speak with seems uncertain about the process. I had to ask for a supervisor who was more familiar with the recent changes. The whole thing took about 6 weeks to process once I got it filed correctly, and they issued the check to my father's estate. Good luck!
I'm sorry for your loss and want to share what I learned when helping my aunt with a similar WEP situation last year (though she was still living at the time). One thing that really helped was getting everything organized before the SSA visit. Create a folder with: death certificate, executor documentation, her complete SSA payment history for Dec 2023-Dec 2024, and documentation of her government pension amounts. Having it all in one place made the appointment much smoother. Also, if you're having trouble getting through by phone, try calling right when they open (8 AM local time) on Tuesday or Wednesday. Mondays and Fridays tend to be busier. When you do get through, ask them to put notes in her file about your call so future representatives can see the history. The SSA-1724 form that others mentioned is definitely the right starting point. You can download it from ssa.gov and fill most of it out ahead of time. Just be prepared that the first person you speak with might not be familiar with how the WEP/GPO repeal affects deceased beneficiaries - it's still pretty new territory for many SSA employees. Based on what others have shared here about the timeline, I'd recommend getting this filed as soon as possible even if processing takes a while. Better to be in the queue early than risk missing any deadlines. Good luck with everything!
Dylan, this is such practical advice! I especially appreciate the tip about calling times - I've been trying randomly throughout the day with no luck. Tuesday/Wednesday at 8 AM sounds much more strategic. The folder organization idea is perfect too. I've been gathering documents but haven't put them all in one place yet. Having everything ready before the appointment will definitely make things go smoother and show I'm prepared. You're absolutely right about getting filed early rather than waiting. Even if it takes months to process, at least I'll be in the system and won't miss any potential deadlines. I'm going to download that SSA-1724 form today and start filling out what I can. Thanks for taking the time to share these practical tips - it really helps to hear from people who've been through similar situations with SSA!
I sent my IRMAA appeal form (SSA-44) via fax to Social Security almost 3 weeks ago (January 11th) after my Medicare premium jumped by $230 due to a one-time capital gain in 2023. I've been checking my MySocialSecurity account daily, but there's absolutely no indication they received it or are processing it. No status update, no message, nothing! I thought the online portal was supposed to show the status of appeals and documents. Does anyone know how long it typically takes for an IRMAA appeal to show up in the system? Or is there a different way to confirm they received my fax? Really don't want to restart this whole process if they lost my paperwork.
I faxed mine in October and just got the approval letter last week. Never showed up on my online account. Just be patient, they're working on it even if you can't see it.
As someone who just went through this process myself, I can confirm what others have said - the MySocialSecurity portal is basically useless for tracking IRMAA appeals. I submitted my SSA-44 in November after a similar situation (sold some inherited stocks that triggered the surcharge), and like you, saw absolutely nothing online for weeks. What finally worked for me was calling the main SSA number (1-800-772-1213) right when they open at 7 AM local time. I got through on the second try that way. The representative was able to see my form in their system even though it never appeared in my online account. She said the IRMAA unit operates almost entirely separate from the regular SSA systems. Since you're at 3 weeks now and haven't received an acknowledgment letter, I'd definitely recommend calling to verify receipt. If they can't find it, at least you'll know to resubmit before losing more time. The whole process is frustrating, but most people do eventually get their appeals approved if they have legitimate documentation of the income change.
I'm really confused about how Social Security spousal benefits work. My neighbor is 67 and has barely worked outside the home - maybe 7 years total under Social Security. Her husband is also 67 and still working while collecting his full retirement benefit. She told me she's getting half of his Social Security amount even though she hardly paid into the system herself. And get this - he still gets his FULL amount, no reduction! I thought if someone gets benefits based on your record, your own check gets smaller? I'm approaching retirement age myself and trying to understand how this all works. Is this spousal benefit thing real or am I misunderstanding something? Could someone explain how she qualifies for half when she barely contributed?
Thank you all for the helpful explanations! This makes so much more sense now. It's amazing that married couples can really maximize their benefits this way. My husband and I are both approaching retirement age and I worked part-time for many years, so I'll definitely be looking into whether the spousal benefit might be better for me. Feeling much more confident about our retirement planning now!
I'm glad this thread helped clear things up! Just wanted to add one more consideration for anyone planning their retirement strategy - timing matters a lot with spousal benefits. If you're the higher-earning spouse, delaying your own Social Security past full retirement age (up to age 70) will increase your benefit by about 8% per year, which also increases the potential spousal benefit for your partner. However, the spouse claiming spousal benefits doesn't get delayed retirement credits - their maximum is still 50% of your Primary Insurance Amount at full retirement age. So it's worth running the numbers to see if it makes sense for the higher earner to delay while the spouse starts collecting spousal benefits earlier. Everyone's situation is different!
Maria Gonzalez
As someone who just went through this process last year at age 63, I wanted to share what I learned. The deemed filing rule is frustrating, but there are still some strategies to consider. First, make sure you get your Social Security Statement updated so you can see your projected benefits at different claiming ages. Second, if you're still working, remember that your benefit calculation uses your highest 35 years of earnings, so continuing to work might boost your own benefit. Third, don't forget about the earnings test if you claim before your FRA and are still working - you might have benefits withheld temporarily. I ended up delaying until my FRA because my own benefit was projected to be higher than the ex-spousal benefit, but everyone's situation is different. The key is getting accurate projections for both scenarios before deciding.
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Ravi Sharma
I'm in a very similar situation - turning 65 next year and born in 1960, so I'm also affected by this deemed filing rule. What's been most frustrating for me is that I keep finding outdated articles online that still talk about the restricted application strategy like it's available to everyone. I wasted months planning around that before I found out it doesn't apply to me! One thing I discovered that might help you is that you can create a my Social Security account online to see estimates of both your own benefit and potential spousal benefits. It's not as detailed as what you'd get from talking to an actual representative, but it gives you a ballpark idea of which might be higher. Also, if you do end up using Claimyr or getting through to SSA, ask them to explain the "break-even" analysis - basically at what age the cumulative benefits would be equal if you claim early versus waiting. That helped me understand whether delaying made sense in my case.
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Riya Sharma
Thanks for mentioning the my Social Security account! I actually created one a few months ago but didn't realize it would show potential spousal benefits too - I'll have to log back in and look more carefully. You're absolutely right about all the outdated information online - it's so confusing when articles don't clearly state when rule changes took effect. I keep seeing headlines about "maximizing spousal benefits" that don't mention the deemed filing restriction at all. The break-even analysis sounds really useful - I hadn't thought to ask about that specifically. It would definitely help me understand if waiting a few more years would actually be worth it or if I should just claim at my FRA. Did you end up deciding to delay or claim early after you got your analysis done?
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