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Social Security survivor benefits reducing my son's SSI - barely any increase overall? Need NY guidelines help

I'm totally confused about how SSI and survivor benefits work together in NY state. My daughter (6) has autism and gets SSI benefits of $1215/month due to her disability. Her father unexpectedly passed away in September, and now she's eligible for survivor benefits of about $875/month according to the SSA. Here's where I'm getting frustrated: The first SSA rep told me she'd get BOTH payments in full since the survivor benefits are less than her SSI and she has no earned income. But when I called back to check on the backpay timing, a different rep said her SSI would be reduced and she'd only end up with about $30-35 extra per month total! This makes ZERO sense to me! Why would they basically cancel each other out? My SSA account shows both payments scheduled for December ($1215 and $875), but I haven't received any backpay while I know for a fact her half-siblings from her dad's previous marriage already got theirs. Can someone explain the NY rules on this? The phone reps keep telling me different things and I'm at my wit's end trying to plan financially for her needs.

One more thing to consider: While your daughter's total monthly benefit only increases slightly, there are some potential advantages to receiving survivor benefits: First, survivor benefits don't have the same strict disability reviews as SSI, so that's one less thing to worry about in the future. Second, survivor benefits typically have fewer reporting requirements than SSI. Third, survivor benefits have no resource limits, so your daughter could potentially have over $2,000 in savings (though this would affect the SSI portion). Lastly, if your daughter's condition improves to the point where she no longer qualifies as disabled for SSI, she could still receive survivor benefits until age 18 (or 19 if still in high school).

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Those are really good points I hadn't considered. The disability reviews for SSI are so stressful, so having part of her benefits more secure is definitely a plus. And I didn't realize survivor benefits continue regardless of disability status - that's actually a big relief. Thank you for highlighting these advantages!

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I'm so sorry for your loss and the confusion you're dealing with during an already difficult time. As others have explained, the offset is unfortunately how the system works, but I wanted to add a few practical tips that helped me when I went through something similar: 1. Request a written explanation from SSA detailing exactly how they calculated your daughter's benefits - having it in writing helps avoid the conflicting verbal information you've been getting. 2. For the backpay delay, ask specifically about "interim assistance" - sometimes they can provide partial payments while sorting out the full calculation. 3. Keep calling about the backpay every 2-3 weeks. I found that different reps had access to different information, and persistence eventually got results. 4. Consider contacting your local SSA field office directly rather than just the main phone line - they often have more detailed case information. The system is frustrating, but you're advocating well for your daughter. Don't give up on getting the backpay sorted out - it's rightfully hers.

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Social Security break-even calculator for claiming at 62 vs. FRA - where to find this?

I'm trying to decide when to claim my SS benefits and need to do that break-even calculation everyone talks about. You know, how many years you need to live to make waiting until Full Retirement Age worth it versus claiming at 62? I've heard about this calculation but can't find it anywhere on the SSA website. Does anyone know where I can find this calculator or how to do the math myself? I'm turning 62 next month and really need to make this decision soon. My financial advisor keeps telling me to wait until 67 (my FRA), but honestly, I'd rather have the money now unless the math really shows I'd be losing a lot. Thanks for any help!

Another factor to consider that hasn't been mentioned much here is inflation protection. Social Security benefits have built-in cost-of-living adjustments (COLA) that help protect against inflation over time. If you take benefits early at a reduced amount, those COLA increases are applied to that smaller base for the rest of your life. For example, if your FRA benefit would be $2,000 but you take $1,400 at 62, and there's a 3% COLA increase, you get 3% of $1,400 ($42) rather than 3% of $2,000 ($60). Over decades, this compounds significantly. Also, @Giovanni Ricci, since you mentioned you're still working part-time, make sure you understand the earnings test. In 2025, if you're under FRA and earn more than $21,240, Social Security reduces your benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit. This could effectively make your early benefits even smaller if you continue working. The decision really depends on your complete financial picture, health, and family longevity. But mathematically, most people benefit from waiting at least until FRA, especially if they're married and the higher earner.

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I'm in a similar situation and found that the key is looking at multiple calculators to get a complete picture. Besides the ones mentioned here, I also used the calculator on FidSafe.com and the one from T. Rowe Price - they each show slightly different perspectives. One thing that really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track the cumulative benefits over time. I put in my estimated benefit amounts at different claiming ages (62, FRA, and 70) and calculated the running totals year by year. It makes it really visual to see when the lines cross. For what it's worth, I decided to wait until my FRA after doing this analysis, even though it was tempting to take the money at 62. The peace of mind knowing I'll have a higher monthly payment for life (and that my spouse will too if I go first) was worth more to me than having the money a few years earlier. Good luck with your decision - it sounds like you're doing your homework, which is the most important thing!

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Thanks for sharing your approach with multiple calculators and the spreadsheet idea - that sounds really smart! I'm definitely going to try that visual method of tracking cumulative benefits over time. It would help me see the actual crossover point rather than just doing the math in my head. I'm starting to lean toward waiting too, especially after learning about all these factors I hadn't considered like the COLA increases being applied to a smaller base and the earnings test impact. Did you find any of the calculators more user-friendly than others? Some of these financial websites can be pretty overwhelming with all the input fields.

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Will my newly approved Social Security benefit already include 2025 COLA increase?

Finally got approved for my retirement benefits today (1/23/2025)! After months of waiting and stressing, I checked my MySocialSecurity account this morning and saw the approval notice. Says I'll get an official letter in 7-10 business days. My first payment is scheduled for the second week of February (based on my birth date according to the claims specialist). I filed back in November and requested a January 2025 start date. My big question: Does anyone know if the benefit amount showing in my account ($4,217) already includes the 2025 COLA increase? Or will that be added later? I'm trying to budget accurately and don't want any surprises. The SSA website isn't clear about this and I can't get through on the phone. Thanks in advance for any insights!

Thank you all for the helpful responses! I really appreciate this community. Based on your answers, it sounds like the amount I'm seeing ($4,217) does already include the 2025 COLA, but I should be prepared for possibly small adjustments before my first payment. I'll also remember to account for Medicare premiums and tax withholding. I think I'll try that Claimyr service mentioned above just to get final confirmation from SSA directly. After months of paperwork and waiting, I want to make sure everything is 100% correct before I start making financial plans based on this income. Will update once I get my award letter!

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Congratulations on your approval, Miguel! It's such a relief when that finally comes through after all the waiting. Just wanted to add one more thing that others touched on - when you get your first payment, make sure to check your bank account carefully. Sometimes SSA will send a separate notice if there are any adjustments, but the first indication might just be a slightly different deposit amount than expected. Also, since you mentioned budgeting accurately, don't forget that Social Security benefits may be subject to federal income tax depending on your total income. If your combined income (Social Security + other income + half of your SS benefits) exceeds certain thresholds, up to 85% of your benefits could be taxable. Just something to keep in mind for tax planning! Good luck with everything and thanks for sharing your experience - it helps others going through the same process!

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Can I suspend and repay SS retirement benefits taken early to get higher FRA amount?

I started receiving my Social Security retirement benefits last month at 62 years and 7 months. Now I'm having second thoughts because the monthly amount seems pretty low compared to what I'd get at my full retirement age (66 and 10 months). If I suspend my benefits now and pay back what I've already received, will my future monthly amount be higher when I restart at my FRA? I've only received one payment so far of about $1,875. Is there a time limit for doing this? And would I have to pay back the Medicare premium they already deducted? I'm so confused about how this all works.

One last thing to consider - if you withdraw now, you'll need to reapply for Medicare separately when you turn 65 if you're not already on it. The automatic enrollment only happens when you're receiving Social Security benefits. Also, once you withdraw, you should wait until your FRA to reapply unless your financial situation changes. If you reapply before FRA, you'll still get a reduced benefit (though not as reduced as starting at 62).

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Thank you for all this information! I just turned 63 so Medicare is still a couple years away for me. I'm going to fill out the SSA-521 form tomorrow and get a cashier's check for the repayment amount. This has been incredibly helpful!

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Just wanted to add that you should also consider requesting a Social Security Statement (online at ssa.gov/myaccount) to see your exact FRA benefit amount before you make the final decision. This will give you the precise numbers rather than estimates. Also, if you're still working, remember that withdrawing your application means you can continue earning credits toward your Social Security record, which might increase your benefit amount even more by the time you reach FRA. Good luck with your decision!

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Can I collect spousal Social Security after taking my own benefit at 62? Age requirements and reduction questions

I'm turning 62 this summer and planning to start my SS retirement benefits early. My husband is 64 this year but wants to wait longer to collect his benefits (probably until his FRA or even 70). I know I can't get spousal benefits until he files for his own, but I'm confused about the rest of the rules. Is there a certain age I have to be to collect spousal benefits once he does file? And by taking my own reduced benefit at 62, will that permanently lower what I could get from his record later? His benefit will be about twice what mine is, so I'm trying to figure out the best approach. Anyone dealt with this situation before?

To summarize the key points that might help you decide: 1. Filing at 62 means a permanent 30% reduction to your retirement benefit 2. Later, when your husband files, you'll be eligible for spousal benefits equal to the greater of: - Your own reduced benefit, OR - A reduced spousal benefit 3. The reduced spousal benefit would be calculated as: [50% of your husband's PIA - 100% of your PIA] plus a reduction factor based on your age when you first filed (62) 4. Since your husband's benefit is about twice yours, you'll likely get some additional amount when he files, but it won't be the full difference between your benefit and 50% of his If possible, I'd recommend setting up an appointment with an SSA claims specialist who can run the exact numbers for your situation.

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Thank you for explaining it so clearly. I think I understand the tradeoffs now. Given my health situation, I still think taking benefits at 62 makes sense for me, even with the reduction. I'll try to get an appointment with SSA to confirm the numbers.

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I'm in a somewhat similar situation and wanted to add a perspective on the health factor you mentioned. I had to make this decision last year due to a chronic condition that made full-time work difficult. While it's true that filing at 62 permanently reduces your benefits, sometimes the financial security of having that income stream outweighs the optimization calculations. The stress of not having income while dealing with health issues can be significant. One thing that helped me was calculating the "break-even" point - how many years I'd need to live to make up for the money I'd lose by not taking benefits early. Given your husband's higher benefit, you'll still get some boost when he files later, even though it won't be the full spousal amount. Have you looked into whether you might qualify for SSDI based on your health issues? Sometimes people overlook that option, and SSDI isn't subject to the early retirement reductions.

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