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wait i just rememebred my cousin's husband did something with his pension and military time??? i think he got some kind of exception because he was in the military before being a firefighter? maybe theres exceptions for some people??

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That's likely related to military service credit being used to increase a pension amount, which is different from the GPO issue. Military service has some special provisions, but they don't generally create exemptions from WEP/GPO unless the military service was before 1957 or meets very specific criteria. It's always worth checking individual circumstances though!

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Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who went through this exact decision two years ago. I was a teacher in California for 28 years and faced the same GPO situation with my husband's Social Security. We ultimately decided to take the monthly pension instead of the lump sum, and here's why: even though the GPO reduces my spousal benefits, the guaranteed monthly income from the pension provides more security than trying to manage a large lump sum in this volatile market. The peace of mind knowing we have that steady income stream has been worth more than any potential investment gains. Plus, our pension has COLA adjustments which helps with inflation - something you lose with a lump sum. The GPO is frustrating but it's just one factor in a much bigger retirement picture.

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Thanks for sharing your real experience with this decision! It's really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through it. The point about COLA adjustments is something I hadn't fully considered - that's a huge advantage over a lump sum that could get eaten away by inflation over time. We're leaning toward the monthly pension too, especially after hearing everyone confirm there's no GPO workaround. The guaranteed income does seem more valuable than trying to beat the market with a lump sum, particularly given how uncertain everything has been lately.

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Just wondering... have u checked what ur survivors benefit would be if ur ex passes away? That's different from the ex-spouse benefit while he's alive. If he dies, u can get his FULL benefit amount (what he would get at his FRA) if that's more than your own. My mom got my dad's full benefit after he passed even though they were divorced.

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I hadn't thought about that aspect. Not something I'm hoping for, of course, but good to understand all the scenarios. Thanks for bringing that up - another question to ask when I can finally speak with someone at SSA.

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One thing that might help you decide on timing is to create a break-even analysis. If you take $1,400/month at 62 versus waiting for $2,000/month at 67, you'd collect $84K over those 5 years ($1,400 x 60 months). After age 67, you'd need about 11.5 years (until age 78.5) to make up that difference with the higher monthly payments. Given average life expectancy and your health concerns, this math might actually favor taking benefits earlier in your case. You could also consider working part-time after 62 if possible - you can earn up to about $22K annually without affecting your SS benefits. Just make sure to factor in Medicare costs starting at 65 if you retire before then.

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This break-even analysis is really helpful! I never thought to calculate it this way. The 11.5 years to break even puts it right around my late 70s, which honestly makes taking benefits at 62 seem more reasonable given my health concerns. The part-time work option is interesting too - I didn't realize I could earn up to $22K without it affecting my benefits. That could really make the difference in making early retirement work financially. Do you know if that earnings limit applies just to the year I turn 62, or every year until I reach full retirement age?

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Just wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - make sure you bring documentation showing continuous care and support during those 7 years of custody. Things like medical records listing you as guardians, school enrollment forms with your address, insurance cards if she was on your plan, etc. While the adoption decree legally establishes the relationship, SSA sometimes wants to see that pattern of dependency was already established. Also, if your husband has any other children receiving benefits on his record (biological or adopted), that will affect the family maximum calculation. But if this great-niece will be his only dependent child, she should get the full 50% rate. The whole process is definitely overwhelming, but you're doing great by preparing ahead of time!

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This is such great advice about documenting the continuous care! I never thought about bringing insurance cards or school records, but that makes perfect sense to show the established dependency relationship. It's reassuring to hear that if she's the only dependent child, she should get the full 50% rate. We've been her primary caregivers for so long that we have tons of documentation - medical records, school stuff, even things like library cards with our address. Thank you for mentioning this, it gives me confidence we're on the right track with our preparation!

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is timing - you'll want to apply within a reasonable time after the adoption is finalized, ideally within 30 days. While there's no strict deadline, SSA can be particular about delays. Also, make sure you get a certified copy of the adoption decree, not just a regular copy. The court clerk can provide this. If your husband's SSDI started before age 62, the family maximum formula is actually more generous than for regular retirement benefits - it's typically around 85% of his PIA rather than the lower percentages that apply to retirement. This could mean your great-niece gets a higher benefit amount. One last tip: when you call to schedule the appointment, ask specifically what documents they want you to bring. Different offices sometimes have slightly different requirements, and it's better to confirm upfront than make multiple trips!

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Social Security mistakenly deposited large amount after I gave up guardianship - how do I return it without a 4-hour office visit?

My sister receives $165/month from Social Security and has been in an assisted living facility since February. I was her representative payee until last month when I arranged for the facility to take over managing her SS benefits through their resident trust account. Made sense to close the joint bank account we shared and let them handle her monthly allowance directly. But here's the crazy situation - RIGHT after I was removed as payee, Social Security deposited a massive amount (over $9,400!) into our joint account that's still open. I immediately called SSA to report their mistake, but they refused to speak with me since I'm no longer her payee! I kept explaining I was trying to RETURN their money but the agent wouldn't budge. The facility administrator managed to call and confirm with SSA that it was indeed an error. But their "solution" is ridiculous - they want me to: 1) Drive to my bank (45 mins away) to get a cashier's check made out to SSA 2) Drive to the nearest SS office (almost 2 hours each way) to physically hand them the check This is completely unreasonable! I'm also caring for my 92-year-old father at home who needs constant supervision. Taking a full day for their mistake just isn't possible. Can't they just withdraw the funds electronically since THEY made the deposit error? Or let me mail the check to them? I'm worried about getting threatening overpayment letters if this drags on, but there has to be a better solution than wasting an entire day at a Social Security office because of THEIR mistake. Any advice on how to resolve this without the road trip from hell?

Based on your latest responses, I think you've got a good plan forming. To summarize the best approach: 1. Use Claimyr to get through to SSA quickly (worth it to avoid hours of hold time) 2. Ask specifically for a Title II Claims Specialist about direct deposit reclamation 3. Request the DD-RTN form process as mentioned by the former SSA employee 4. Keep detailed records of all communications 5. Follow up with the facility administrator since they're now the official payee This combined approach gives you the best chance of resolving this efficiently. Please let us know how it goes - your experience might help others in similar situations.

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Thank you for summarizing this so clearly! I'll update once I get this resolved. Everyone's advice has been incredibly helpful and given me a much clearer path forward than what I started with.

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I just went through something similar with my mom's benefits last year! The key thing that worked for me was being persistent about getting to the right department. Regular customer service reps often don't handle these specialized situations. One tip that might help - when you call, immediately say "I need to speak with someone about returning an incorrect Social Security payment made after a representative payee change." This usually gets you transferred faster than explaining the whole situation to the first person. Also, if the facility is now the official payee, they actually have more authority to resolve this than you do. They can request that SSA process the return directly since it was deposited to the wrong account after the payee change was already in their system. The facility administrator should be pushing harder on this - it's literally their job now! Keep us posted on how the DD-RTN process works out. Your situation could really help others who get stuck in this same bureaucratic mess.

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