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Isabella Silva

Navigating WEP requirements for Social Security with foreign pensions - documentation nightmare

I'm so frustrated with my Social Security retirement application right now! I worked in Canada for 12 years before moving back to the US (where I've worked another 23 years). Now I'm applying for SS benefits and they're putting me through WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) hell! They're demanding original documentation for all my Canadian pension information including exact entitlement dates and gross monthly amounts - even though Congress just passed that WEP reform bill that's supposed to fix all this! The SSA rep told me they have to process everything under current rules until the new system is actually implemented. Now I have to somehow get original documents from Canada (copies not accepted) and mail them to my local office. Has anyone dealt with this international pension/WEP documentation nightmare recently? Any tips on expediting this process? I turn 67 in three months and really don't want my benefits delayed.

Been there, done that with UK pension. You'll need to request a benefit verification letter from the Canadian pension system showing exactly when you qualified and your monthly benefit amount. Get multiple originals if possible! I sent mine via certified mail to my local SSA office with tracking. Took about 8 weeks total for everything to process. The good news is they can start your benefits while they're reviewing the WEP calculation, they'll just adjust later if needed.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! Did they end up reducing your SS benefit a lot with the WEP calculation? I'm trying to figure out how much less I might get. Also, any idea if I can expedite getting these documents from Canada? Their pension office told me 4-6 weeks processing time just to mail the verification letters!

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my neighbor had this problem with german pension. got SO MAD with all the back n forth!! took him like 3 months to get everything straight and SSA still calculated wrong first time. good luck!!

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Omar Farouk

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The WEP reduction is capped at $667 per month for 2025, and you get less reduction if you have 21+ years of substantial US earnings. With 23 years of US work, your WEP reduction should be approximately 60% of the maximum WEP penalty. Regarding the legislative changes, you're right that there's a WEP reform bill, but implementation will take 18-24 months according to SSA's published timeline. Until then, everyone has to go through the current documentation process. For your Canadian pension documents, contact the Canadian Pension Plan office directly and request expedited processing due to your pending SS application. They have a specific department that handles international benefit coordination requests.

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Thank you, this is really helpful! I didn't realize the WEP reduction would be less because I have 23 years of US earnings. Is that reduction percentage published somewhere on SSA's website? I'll definitely contact the Canadian pension office tomorrow and specifically ask for the international department.

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Omar Farouk

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Yes, SSA has a chart showing the WEP reduction by years of substantial earnings. You can find it here: https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10045.pdf (see page 3). With 23 years, you'll get a 40% exemption from the full WEP reduction. Make sure you have proof of all your US earnings years readily available too - sometimes SSA's records are missing years.

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CosmicCadet

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Wait I'm confused...I thought WEP was only for government pensions?? My uncle worked for the state and had this problem but didn't know it affected regular pensions from other countries??

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You're mixing up WEP and GPO. WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) applies to pensions from work not covered by Social Security - which includes many government jobs AND foreign pensions. GPO (Government Pension Offset) specifically reduces spousal/survivor benefits for government pensions. They're related but different provisions.

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Chloe Harris

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Having dealt with countless WEP cases, I can confirm that the SSA is correct - they must process your application under current rules until the new legislation is fully implemented. For your Canadian documents, I recommend requesting them via their online portal if possible, as mail requests tend to take longer. One important tip: make sure your Canadian pension amount is converted to USD using the official exchange rate from the day you're eligible for both benefits. SSA will use this to calculate your WEP reduction. If they use an incorrect exchange rate (which happens often), this can significantly impact your benefit amount. Also, consider working with the FBU (Federal Benefits Unit) at the US Embassy in Canada - they can sometimes help expedite these international pension verifications.

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I hadn't even thought about the exchange rate issue! That's really important. I'll definitely check with the Federal Benefits Unit - didn't know they could help with this. Thank you!

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Diego Mendoza

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does this really work?? i tried calling SS like 6 times last month and gave up!

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Diego Mendoza

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Yes, it absolutely worked for me. I was skeptical too because I'd already wasted so many hours trying to get through on my own. But I connected with an agent in minutes and got my specific WEP questions answered right away. Definitely worth it with how complicated these international pension situations are.

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NOBODY at SSA understands WEP properly!!!! I spent 9 MONTHS fighting with them over my German pension calculation. They kept using the wrong exchange rate AND they didn't account for taxes withheld by Germany. BE PREPARED TO APPEAL! Document EVERYTHING. Record phone calls if your state allows it. The WEP formula is supposedly straightforward but LITERALLY EVERY SSA OFFICE CALCULATES IT DIFFERENTLY!!!

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Omar Farouk

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This isn't entirely accurate. While there can be discrepancies in how different offices handle WEP calculations, there is actually a standardized process. The most common issues occur with exchange rates and tax treatments, which are explicitly covered in SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS). If you encounter calculation errors, request a detailed breakdown of how they applied WEP to your specific situation and reference POMS section RS 00605 in your communication.

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CosmicCadet

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My friend just retired and got her SS. She worked in Canada too but didn't have to do any of this. Maybe call again and get a different person?

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Chloe Harris

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If your friend didn't have to provide foreign pension documentation, it's likely because either: 1) She's not yet receiving her Canadian pension, so WEP hasn't been triggered, 2) She has 30+ years of substantial US earnings which exempts her from WEP entirely, or 3) There's a mistake in her file that will eventually result in an overpayment notice. Unfortunately, calling different SSA representatives won't change the legal requirement to document foreign pensions under WEP.

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Update: After following everyone's advice, I finally got through most of this process! The Canadian pension office had a specific international benefits department that processed my request in 2 weeks instead of 6. I sent everything certified mail to SSA and followed up regularly. My benefit is now being processed with only a partial WEP reduction thanks to my 23 years of US work. Thanks everyone for your help navigating this complicated mess!

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Great news! So glad you got it sorted out faster than expected. It's such a relief when these complicated situations finally resolve. Did they give you any estimate of when your payments will start?

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They said my first payment should come about 6 weeks after approval, which means I might get it right around my birthday! Not a bad present after all this stress. And they'll include any backpay owed from my application date.

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Zainab Ismail

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Congratulations on getting through this! Your experience is really helpful for others facing similar situations. I'm dealing with a similar WEP issue but with a UK pension. Quick question - when you contacted the Canadian pension office's international benefits department, did you need any special reference numbers or just your regular pension information? Also, did SSA give you any paperwork showing exactly how they calculated your partial WEP reduction? I want to make sure I can verify their math when my case gets processed.

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