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My friend said u can also reduce ur WEP if u keep working after u start getting SS??? Is that true? I'm so confused with all these rules!

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Yes, that's correct. If you continue working in covered employment after you start receiving benefits, you can increase your years of substantial earnings. The SSA is supposed to automatically recompute your benefits each year if you have new earnings, potentially reducing your WEP penalty as you reach additional years of substantial earnings.

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Here's a helpful resource for finding the substantial earnings amounts by year - you can check the SSA's official publication "Social Security & Medicare Tax Rates" or search for "substantial earnings WEP" on ssa.gov. They have a table showing the amounts going back decades. For example, 1985 was $5,850, 1995 was $11,325, 2005 was $16,725, etc. It's definitely worth checking all your years because even part-time work might have qualified! Also, don't forget that if you're still working in covered employment, every dollar you earn now in 2025 that gets you over $31,275 will count as another year of substantial earnings and potentially reduce your WEP penalty by 5%.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I'm going to try using the WEP calculator on the SSA website, but I think we'll also need to talk directly with an agent to get our specific situation figured out. It's frustrating that something as important as retirement planning has to be this complicated. I'll update once we get our actual calculation from SSA.

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When you do reach out to SSA, make sure to specifically ask for a WEP-adjusted benefit computation with delayed retirement credits. Many agents will give you standard benefit estimates unless you specifically request the detailed calculation that accounts for both WEP and DRCs.

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As someone who recently navigated this exact situation, I can confirm your understanding is correct but there are a few additional nuances to consider. My husband was also affected by WEP with a similar work history (20 years government, 25 years private sector). One thing that caught us off guard was that the WEP reduction can actually change over time based on your pension amount. If your husband's pension increases due to COLAs on the pension side, it could affect the WEP calculation since the reduction is capped at 50% of the pension amount. Also, make sure you understand how this impacts your survivor benefits planning. If something happens to your husband, your survivor benefit would be based on what he was actually receiving (the WEP-reduced amount), not what his benefit would have been without WEP. I'd strongly recommend getting a formal benefit estimate from SSA before making any final decisions about timing. The difference between filing at 67 vs 70 might not be as significant as you originally calculated once WEP is factored in.

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Don't forget about the family maximum limit! That can really mess up your expectations if multiple people are collecting on one record. Ask the rep specifically if the family maximum applies in your case.

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The family maximum typically won't be an issue for a widow with no dependent children also collecting benefits. Since the OP appears to be the only one collecting on her late husband's record, she should receive the full survivor benefit amount without reduction due to family maximum provisions.

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Your strategy sounds solid! As someone who recently went through a similar decision process, I'd suggest writing down your key questions beforehand so you don't forget anything during the call. Also, don't be surprised if you get pushback from the SSA rep - some aren't familiar with this strategy. One thing that helped me was asking for a written estimate of both scenarios (your plan vs. taking survivor benefits first) so I could compare the lifetime totals. The SSA can provide benefit estimates for different claiming strategies. Also, since you mentioned being anxious about the decision - remember that if something changes in your situation later, you generally have 12 months to withdraw your application and try a different approach (though you'd have to pay back any benefits received). It's not as permanent as it feels! Good luck with your appointment next week!

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One last thing to consider: if your ex-spouse passes away before you claim benefits, the rules change. As a surviving divorced spouse, you could claim survivor benefits as early as age 60 (or 50 if disabled). Survivor benefits are different from ex-spousal benefits. Not something to hope for, of course, but important to know in case that situation arises.

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I didn't know there was a different set of rules if he passes away. That's good information to have, though hopefully not something I'll need to deal with. This whole Social Security system is so complicated!

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I just went through this exact process last year! I was 61 when I started researching and had to wait until 62 just like you. One tip that really helped me: about 3-4 months before your 62nd birthday, you can actually start the application process. Don't wait until the day you turn 62 because processing can take time. Also, since you mentioned struggling financially, look into whether your state has a Senior Community Service Employment Program (SCSEP). It's specifically for people 55+ with lower incomes and can provide part-time work and training while you're waiting to be eligible for benefits. I found it through my local Area Agency on Aging and it really helped bridge the gap. The waiting is hard, but you're so close! Just two and a half more years and you'll have that extra financial security.

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Thank you so much for this practical advice! I had no idea you could start the application process before actually turning 62 - that's really helpful to know. And I've never heard of SCSEP but I'll definitely look into it. It sounds like exactly what I need to help get through these next couple of years. It's encouraging to hear from someone who actually went through this process recently. Did you end up claiming at 62 or did you wait longer?

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Just wanted to add that if you do hit a big jackpot on the cruise, make sure to keep all your documentation! The cruise ship will give you forms, but it's also smart to take photos of any paperwork and keep receipts. When tax time comes around, you'll need to report it properly. Also, if you're planning to gamble regularly in retirement (not just this one cruise), you might want to consult with a tax professional about how it could affect your overall tax situation year over year. But for a one-time celebration jackpot - go for it and enjoy! The earnings test won't be impacted.

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This is really solid advice! I hadn't thought about taking photos of the paperwork - that's a great tip. And you're right, for a one-time celebration cruise it shouldn't be a big deal. I'm definitely not planning to become a regular gambler, just want to have some fun on this special trip. Thanks for mentioning the tax professional consultation idea too - if I do get lucky, that might be worth considering!

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As someone who recently went through the early retirement process at 62, I can confirm what others have said - gambling winnings won't affect your Social Security earnings test! I was worried about the same thing when I won $3,200 at a local casino right after I started collecting benefits. The SSA only counts wages and self-employment income for the earnings limit. However, do keep in mind that large winnings could bump you into a higher tax bracket for that year and potentially make more of your Social Security benefits taxable. But honestly, that's still a good problem to have! Enjoy your cruise and don't let tax worries stop you from having fun - just be prepared to set aside some money for taxes if you do hit it big.

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