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Can I get spousal top-up benefit with SSDI below FRA? Will it be automatic or do I need to apply?

I just got approved for my own Social Security disability benefits last week, but I'm pretty sure my husband's benefit might mean I qualify for more money. He's been on SSDI for about 3 years now and his monthly payment is around $2600. My new SSDI payment will only be about $1400, and I'm 61 years old (so about 6 years away from my full retirement age). Since half of his benefit is $1300, which is $400 more than my disability payment, shouldn't I qualify for that extra as a spouse? Will SSA automatically calculate this and add it to my payment, or do I need to specifically apply for the spousal benefit? And how much would the early age reduction be - would I get the full $400 difference or less because I'm not yet at FRA? I've tried calling the office but keep getting disconnected after waiting forever.

I got so confused with all this spouse benefit stuff too!! The SSA website is impossible to understand!!! When I finally got through to an agent she told me something completely different than what I read online! And then when I got approved they calculated it yet ANOTHER way! Why can't they just make this simple??

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It's frustrating! Their online calculators don't handle complex situations well either. I found that talking to an actual SSA claims specialist was the only way to get accurate information. That's why I ended up using that phone service to get through - I needed straight answers from a real person who could look at my specific file.

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I went through this same situation about 2 years ago when I got approved for SSDI at age 59. My husband was already receiving his benefits and I thought I'd automatically get the spousal top-up, but I was wrong! You definitely have to apply separately - nothing is automatic with SSA unfortunately. What I learned is that even if half your husband's benefit seems higher than yours, the age reduction can really eat into that amount. At 61, you're looking at about a 27% reduction on the spousal portion. So if half his benefit is $1300, after reduction it would be closer to $950, which is actually less than your $1400 SSDI payment. My advice: still apply now to get it on record, but don't expect much additional money until you hit full retirement age. The good news is if you do qualify for even a small amount, you'll get backpay from when you first applied. I used the local SSA office for my application since the online system kept glitching on spousal benefit forms. Good luck!

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Social Security Disability and Divorced Spouse Benefits - How much will I get at 64?

I just got approved for SSDI at 64 (finally!) and will receive $1,120 monthly. My situation is a bit complicated - I was married for 32 years but have been divorced for 6 years now and haven't remarried. My ex-husband started collecting his Social Security at 62. The last time I saw his SS statement about 6 years ago, his Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) was $3,008. I'm really confused about whether I qualify for additional divorced spouse benefits and how they would be calculated based on his higher amount. Can someone help me understand how much I might receive in spousal benefits on top of my SSDI? Will I get half of his PIA or some reduced amount since he claimed early? Everything I read online seems contradictory.

What nobody has mentioned yet is that you should check whether your ex's PIA of $3,008 has increased since you last saw it 6 years ago! The SSA applies Cost of Living Adjustments (COLAs) every year, so his PIA is likely higher now, which means your potential spousal benefit would be higher too. Ask about the CURRENT PIA when you talk to them!

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That's a great point! I hadn't considered COLAs would increase his PIA. If his current PIA is higher, then my 50% would be higher too. Thanks for mentioning this!

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Just wanted to add that you should also be prepared for the application process to take some time. When I applied for divorced spouse benefits, it took about 6-8 weeks to process even though I had all the documentation ready. The good news is that if approved, they'll backdate the payments to when you first became eligible. Also, make sure to keep copies of everything you submit - your divorce decree, marriage certificate, and any correspondence with SSA. The system can be slow but you're definitely entitled to these benefits based on what you've described. Good luck with your application!

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Will I qualify for ex-spouse survivor benefits living overseas if my deceased ex-husband worked in Social Security?

My situation is complicated and I'm not sure where to start. My ex-husband passed away last month and we were married for 18 years before divorcing 5 years ago. Neither of us ever remarried. I'm currently 55 and living back in my home country (moved back after the divorce). I only worked in the US for about 5 years since I wasn't a citizen, so I don't have enough credits for my own Social Security benefit. We have 3 children together who were all born in the US and still live there (all adults now). I understand I might be eligible for survivor benefits when I turn 60, but I have no idea how to find out what amount I might receive or how the overseas residency affects things. Calling the SSA internationally is extremely difficult with the time difference and hold times. Is there any other way to get information about potential survivor benefits when living outside the US? Any experiences with the foreign service offices or other methods to contact SSA internationally?

My mom went thru this exact thing! If ur not a US citizen and never became one, SSA has what they call "alien non-payment provisions" that might affect u. But since u were married to a US citizen for so long u probably qualify for exemptions. Def check with FBU like others said. Also remember SS survivor benefits can start at 60 but retirement is 62, they're different!

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That's a very good point about the alien non-payment provisions. The exemptions typically apply if you: 1) Are a resident of a country with which the US has a Social Security agreement, 2) Were eligible for benefits before leaving the US, or 3) Meet other specific exceptions. And yes - survivor benefits at 60 vs. retirement at 62 is a crucial distinction that many people miss!

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Thank you all so much for the helpful information! I feel much more equipped to move forward now. I've made a list of next steps: 1) Contact my ex's sister about his SS records, 2) Make an appointment with the FBU in my country, 3) Look into that Claimyr service if I need to call SSA directly, and 4) Research the tax treaties between my country and the US. I'll start gathering all the documentation mentioned - birth certificate, marriage certificate, divorce decree, and his death certificate. I still have 5 years before I turn 60, but I want to understand what I'll be eligible for so I can plan accordingly. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to share your knowledge and experiences.

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Good luck! Let us know what happens with the FBU. My friend tried one in Thailand and said they were super helpful, way better than trying to call the regular SS people.

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You've got a solid plan! One additional tip - when you contact the FBU, ask them specifically about getting a "benefit estimate" rather than just general information. They can often provide more detailed projections than the regular SSA phone lines. Also, since you mentioned your ex-husband worked in Social Security, his earnings record should be fairly straightforward to access, which will make the estimate process easier. Best of luck with everything!

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Will PTO payout affect my Social Security earnings limit when retiring January 2025?

I've finally decided to semi-retire starting January 1, 2025 from my healthcare job (I'm currently 65). The plan is to continue working part-time at the same hospital and keep my earnings under the Social Security annual limit. Here's what's causing my anxiety - I have about 210 hours of unused PTO that will be paid out (roughly $8,700). My employer says this final PTO check will be processed in January 2025, even though it's technically earnings from 2024. I'm terrified this payout will count against my 2025 earnings limit and cause me problems with Social Security. Does anyone know if I need to specifically request that the PTO check be dated for December 2024 instead? Will Social Security count the PTO payout toward 2025's earnings limit if the check comes in January? I really don't want to mess this up after planning my retirement for so long!

Update: I spoke with HR today and they said they CAN process my PTO payout in December if I submit the request by November 30th! They're sending me a form to fill out. Thank you everyone for your help - you probably saved me from losing some of my Social Security payments next year!

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That's excellent news! Make sure to keep a copy of that completed form and follow up in mid-December to confirm it's being processed. I'd also recommend requesting a written confirmation once it's been processed. That way, if there are any questions from SSA later, you have documentation showing the payment was properly issued in 2024. Congratulations on your upcoming retirement!

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Fantastic outcome! This is such a great example of why it's worth asking HR about these timing issues. Many people don't realize they can often request changes to payout dates for exactly these reasons. Your story will definitely help others in similar situations. Enjoy your well-deserved retirement and congratulations on getting this sorted out before it became a problem!

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Will my timeshare sale count as income for Social Security earnings limit?

I just sold my timeshare in Florida this month and received $7k for it. I'm worried this might count toward my Social Security earnings limit for the year. I'm already taking $18k from my 401k (which I set up as regular withdrawals back in January), and if the timeshare sale counts as income, I'll be over the $22,320 annual limit for 2025. Does anyone know if proceeds from selling a timeshare property are counted for SS earnings limit purposes? I'm 64 and still receiving benefits before my full retirement age. Really don't want to deal with an overpayment situation later. Any insight would be appreciated!

Thanks again everyone. I was losing sleep over this! One quick follow-up question - I might pick up some part-time work later this year that would put me slightly over the annual limit when combined with my current part-time job. If I do exceed the $22,320 limit, does Social Security take back ALL of my benefits, or just the portion above the limit?

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They would only withhold $1.00 in benefits for every $2.00 you earn above the limit. So if you earned $23,320 (which is $1,000 over the limit), they would only withhold $500 from your benefits. And in the year you reach full retirement age, the reduction is only $1 for every $3 over a much higher limit ($59,520 in 2025). Once you reach full retirement age, there's no earnings limit at all!

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Just wanted to add my experience to help reassure you! I was in a very similar situation two years ago when I sold some inherited property. I was so worried about exceeding the earnings limit that I actually called my local SSA office multiple times. The agent I finally spoke with explained it perfectly: the earnings test ONLY applies to income from working - wages, salary, tips, commissions, bonuses, and net self-employment earnings. Sales of personal property, real estate, stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc. are all considered "unearned income" and completely exempt from the earnings limit. Your timeshare sale and 401k withdrawals are both safe! The key thing to remember is that SSA cares about whether you're still actively working and earning money from employment, not about one-time asset sales or retirement account distributions.

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