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Social Security earnings limit confusion - does SS income count toward the annual cap?

I'm completely confused about the annual earnings limit for Social Security. I'll turn 64 next month and started taking my SS retirement benefits early last year. I know there's an earnings limit of $22,320 for 2025 since I'm under my full retirement age, but I'm confused about what counts as "earnings". Does the Social Security benefit I receive each month count toward that earnings limit? Or is the limit only for income I earn from working (like my part-time job)? My monthly SS check is about $1,850, and I make around $1,600/month at my part-time job. So annual SS income would be $22,200 plus $19,200 from working. If ALL income counts, I'd be over the limit, but if only work income counts, I'd be under it. I tried calling SSA twice but got disconnected both times. I need to figure this out ASAP because I'm deciding whether to pick up more hours at work. Thanks for any help!

When i started SS last year i had to quit my good payin job and find something with less hours cause of this stupid rule!! I'm still MAD they dont explain this stuff better!

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I understand your frustration. The earnings limit can be confusing. One option for people in your situation is to wait until Full Retirement Age to claim benefits if they want to continue working substantial hours. That way there's no limit on earnings. But everyone's situation is different, and sometimes claiming early makes sense even with the earnings restriction.

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Just wanted to add one more helpful detail - if you're tracking your earnings throughout the year, Social Security uses your gross wages (before taxes) when calculating against the earnings limit. So make sure you're looking at your gross pay from that part-time job, not your take-home pay. Also, if you get a raise or bonus during the year, factor that in too. The SSA website has a really helpful earnings test calculator where you can plug in your expected annual earnings to see exactly how it would affect your benefits if you do go over the limit.

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Will starting SS survivor benefits affect my disabled son's benefits? Confused about coordinating our claims

I've been putting off my own Social Security decision to figure out how it affects my disabled son (29). He currently receives SSDI survivor benefits from his father who passed away 7 years ago. I'm turning 66 next month and considering taking reduced survivor benefits from my late husband now, while letting my own retirement benefit grow until 70. What I can't figure out: Will my son's $1,875 monthly survivor payment change if I start collecting? His father died at 51 (was earning about $78,000) and obviously wasn't collecting SS yet. Does my son stay on his father's record permanently or would he switch to mine once I start benefits? The SSA website is so confusing on this! I tried calling our local office twice but got disconnected both times after waiting over an hour. Has anyone navigated this specific situation with disabled adult children and survivor coordination?

Thank you everyone for all the helpful responses! I've learned so much: 1. My son's benefits should continue unchanged on his father's record 2. Need to double-check about the family maximum limit 3. Must remember to apply for my own benefits at 70 (not automatic) 4. Will try Claimyr to actually reach someone at SSA 5. Should compare benefit amounts when I turn 70 to see if my record would give him more I feel much more prepared now to make these decisions. I'll update this thread once I talk to SSA if I learn anything else that might help others!

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Great summary, Caleb! One additional tip from my experience: when you do reach SSA (whether through Claimyr or otherwise), ask them to run a "what if" scenario calculation showing exactly what would happen to both your and your son's benefits at each step. This way you'll have concrete numbers rather than general guidance. Also, consider getting the representative's name and reference number for your call - it makes follow-up much easier if issues arise later. Good luck with everything!

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Will I qualify for Social Security survivor benefits if my much older husband passes before I reach retirement age?

I've been trying to plan ahead and understand my Social Security options since my husband and I have a significant age gap. I'm 55 and my husband is 70. He's in excellent health (thankfully!), but I know I need to understand what might happen financially if he passes away before I reach my retirement age. Would I be eligible for any type of survivor benefits? And if so, would I have to wait until my full retirement age to collect them, or could I receive something earlier? My own work history is decent, but his benefits are significantly higher. Any insights from people who've navigated similar situations would be so helpful!

Another tip that might be helpful: Consider gathering important documents now while your husband can help. You'll need his Social Security number, birth certificate, death certificate (when the time comes), your marriage certificate, tax returns, and military records if applicable. Having these organized in advance can make the application process smoother. Also, survivor applications cannot be done online - you'll need to call SSA for an appointment or visit an office.

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This is excellent advice. I'll start creating a file with copies of all these documents so they're easy to access if needed. And good to know about not being able to apply online - that would have been my first assumption.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should also consider how survivor benefits might interact with any health insurance coverage you currently have through your husband's employer or Medicare. When my neighbor's husband passed, she lost his employer health coverage and had to scramble to find new insurance while dealing with everything else. If your husband is already on Medicare and you're on his employer plan, you'll want to understand what happens to your coverage and whether you'd be eligible for COBRA or need to find marketplace insurance until you're Medicare-eligible yourself. It's another layer of planning that's easy to overlook but can be financially significant, especially if you have ongoing medical needs.

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Will my children get additional survivor benefits after their father died? Already receiving dependent benefits

My ex-husband passed away unexpectedly last month at age 67. Our children (14 and 16) have been receiving Social Security dependent benefits since he started collecting his retirement benefits last year. I'm confused about whether they'll now be eligible for survivor benefits on top of what they're already getting. When my cousin died a few years back, her daughter who was already on benefits saw her monthly amount increase substantially. Has anyone gone through this transition from dependent to survivor benefits with teenagers? Will there be an automatic adjustment or do I need to contact SSA? The local office is impossible to get through to by phone and the earliest appointment is 6 weeks out.

Since your question hasn't been fully answered yet: Yes, your children will receive higher survivor benefits than they were getting as dependents. What's important to understand is the Family Maximum Benefit (FMB) calculation will need to be redone. With two teenage children, they'll likely each receive 75% of your ex-husband's PIA (Primary Insurance Amount), but if that exceeds the family maximum, their benefits will be proportionally reduced. You'll only know the exact amounts after SSA processes the claim. One more critical point - these survivor benefits are payable through age 18, or 19 if still in high school. This is something to plan for as the benefits will stop when they graduate or turn 19, whichever comes first.

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Thank you for explaining about the age limits too. My oldest will graduate high school right before turning 18, so I'm guessing his benefits would stop then? The younger one should get them until she graduates. I'm going to call SSA tomorrow morning first thing and get this process started.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Miguel. I went through this exact situation when my ex-husband passed away 3 years ago with kids who were 15 and 17 at the time. Your children should definitely see an increase - mine went from receiving about $800 each to around $1,200 each per month when they converted from dependent to survivor benefits. A few things that helped me navigate this process: 1. Don't wait for the death certificate to arrive - call SSA and report the death immediately. They can start the process and you can submit the certificate later. 2. The conversion isn't automatic despite what some offices might tell you. You absolutely need to contact them and request the survivor benefits. 3. Keep detailed records of when you call and who you speak with. I had to call back multiple times because information got lost between representatives. 4. If possible, try to get an in-person appointment even if it's weeks out - sometimes they can process things faster when you're there with all your documents. The whole process took about 2 months for us, but we received backpay to the date of death. Your kids should be able to keep receiving benefits until they graduate high school or turn 19. Hang in there - the financial help will come!

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Unmarried vs married - Social Security survivor benefits implications for older couple

I need some clarity on Social Security survivor benefits for my aunt (66) and her longtime partner (75). They've lived together for 12+ years in Florida (not common law), and we're trying to figure out if marriage would make financial sense for her future security. He gets about $3,500/month from Social Security, while her FRA benefit will probably be under $1,800. If they married and he passed away, would she be eligible for his higher survivor benefits? I know there's some minimum marriage duration requirement - is it 9 months or a year? Are there other financial considerations they should think about? Would appreciate any advice from folks who've navigated similar situations. She's worried about her long-term finances and I want to help her make an informed decision.

One other tax consideration: Filing status for income taxes will change if they marry, which could result in either a marriage penalty or bonus depending on their income levels. If both have significant income besides Social Security, they might want to consult with a tax professional to see how marriage would affect their tax situation. Also, if estate planning is a concern, marriage provides certain legal advantages for inheritance purposes beyond just Social Security benefits. In many states, a spouse has automatic inheritance rights that a non-married partner doesn't have, even with a will in place. For the most personalized advice, they might want to consult with both a financial advisor who specializes in retirement planning and an elder law attorney who can advise on the broader implications for their specific situation.

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As someone new to this community, I wanted to thank everyone for sharing such detailed and helpful information! This thread has been incredibly educational. One thing I'd add based on what I've learned from my own family's experience - it might be worth having your aunt and her partner sit down together and make a list of all their current benefits, assets, and potential liabilities before making the marriage decision. Things like Medicare supplemental insurance, any pensions, property ownership, etc. Sometimes marriage can affect things you don't initially think about. Also, since they're in Florida, they might want to check if there are any state-specific considerations for married couples regarding things like homestead exemptions or Medicaid asset protection that could factor into their decision. The timeline pressure mentioned by others is real though - at 75, waiting too long could be risky if the goal is to secure those survivor benefits. Wishing your aunt the best with this important decision!

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