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Social Security delayed retirement credits missing - WEP calculation confusion

Is anyone here familiar with delayed retirement credits and WEP reductions? I'm beyond frustrated after a year-long battle with SSA. I filed for Social Security in August 2024 (2 months after turning 69). My FRA was 66, so I should've gotten substantial delayed retirement credits. I knew I'd be hit with WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) and expected the max reduction of around $694. But my actual benefit was reduced by an ADDITIONAL $112 beyond the WEP amount! Some rep told me I'd receive my delayed retirement credits in January 2025, but guess what? NOTHING showed up! I've made countless calls and had 3 in-person visits to my Phoenix office. NONE of the agents can access or explain the actual calculations for my benefit! In March 2025, SSA randomly deposited two small payments ($34 and $53) totaling $87 with zero explanation. I filed for reconsideration back in July 2024, still no response six months later. I've contacted my Congressional rep (Gallego's office) THREE times - they got SSA to call me last week, but the person STILL couldn't explain why my delayed credits are missing or show me any calculations! The Phoenix office actually told me "the calculations aren't available to anyone because they come from an algorithm"... seriously?? How can they determine benefits but nobody can explain HOW they're calculated? Who actually has access to these numbers?? I'm missing thousands in benefits I earned by delaying retirement!

One more important thing - when dealing with the Congressional office, make sure you're explicit about what you need. Many times they just send a generic inquiry to SSA. Instead, request that your Congressional case worker specifically ask for: 1. A review by the Office of Central Operations (not just your local field office) 2. A complete PEBES computation history showing how your DRCs were applied 3. An explanation of why the DRCs weren't incorporated as expected Congressional inquiries get special handling, but they're only as effective as the specifics included in the request. And it sounds like your previous Congressional inquiries may have just been routed back to the same local office that couldn't help you originally.

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I'm dealing with a very similar issue right now! Filed at 67 (my FRA was 66) and my delayed retirement credits seem to be completely missing from my benefit calculation. Like you, I've been getting the runaround for months. What's really helpful from reading these responses is learning about the specific terminology to use. I had no idea about PEBES queries or AACT reports - I've just been asking generic questions about "my calculation" which probably explains why I keep getting transferred around. One thing that might help both of us - I found out you can also request a "Master Beneficiary Record" (MBR) printout which shows your complete benefit history and all adjustments. This is another specific technical term that might get you to the right person with system access. The fact that they told you "calculations aren't available because they come from an algorithm" is absolutely ridiculous. These are mathematical formulas that have been used for decades - there's nothing mysterious about them! Keep pushing and don't let them dismiss you with that nonsense.

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Social Security survivor benefits timing - can I delay until FRA after taking my own SS early?

I'm turning 62 next month and plan to start my Social Security retirement benefits early. My situation is a bit complicated though. My husband is 74 (we have a 12-year age gap) and already collecting his benefits since his full retirement age. His benefit amount is significantly higher than mine will be. I work part-time at a local craft store, making well under the annual earnings limit (about $14,000/year). My main concern is about survivor benefits. If my husband passes away before I reach my full retirement age, I've been told I can choose to switch to survivor benefits at my FRA to get 100% of his amount instead of taking reduced survivor benefits immediately. I called SSA last week and a representative confirmed this, but I've heard so many conflicting things about Social Security rules that I'm not completely confident. If this is correct, I plan to notify the funeral home and call SSA directly to prevent any automatic benefit conversions when the time comes. Financially, I have enough savings to wait until FRA for the higher survivor amount if needed. I've done calculations using the statements SSA provided, and it would take until my husband reaches age 92 for me to break even by waiting until my FRA to claim my own benefits instead of taking them early. This seems to support my plan to file early. Am I missing anything important I should consider before submitting my application? Any other factors that could affect this strategy?

One more thing to consider: if your income increases significantly in the future, your early filing reduction is permanent on your own benefit, but it wouldn't affect your survivor benefit amount. So if you expect your earnings to increase substantially in the next few years, that might change your break-even analysis. Also, make sure both you and your husband have created your my Social Security accounts online. This makes it much easier to track benefits and provides better documentation.

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That's a good point about potential income increases. I don't expect my income to change much - I plan to keep the same part-time schedule until I fully retire in a few years. We both do have our my Social Security accounts set up! I check mine regularly to verify my earnings record is accurate.

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Your strategy sounds well thought out! One additional consideration: if you're concerned about getting consistent information from SSA, you might want to visit your local SSA office in person to get your plan documented in writing. They can provide you with a written summary of your options and timeline that you can reference later. Also, since you mentioned you have savings to be flexible, consider keeping a small emergency fund specifically earmarked for any potential delays in benefit processing during transitions. Sometimes there can be gaps of a few weeks when switching between benefit types, and having that buffer can provide peace of mind. Have you looked into whether your state has any additional resources for Social Security planning? Some states have SHINE (State Health Insurance Assistance Program) counselors who can provide free, unbiased advice on Social Security strategies.

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Confused about PIA after SSDI to retirement transition - need to calculate spousal benefits

I'm completely lost trying to understand my Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) after transitioning from SSDI to regular retirement benefits. I switched over to retirement when I hit my Full Retirement Age about 8 months ago, but now I'm trying to figure out if I qualify for additional spousal benefits on my husband's record. My main question: Is my current PIA the amount I'm receiving now in retirement? Or was it the initial SSDI amount before all the COLAs were applied? I can't find my original award letter from when I first got SSDI back in 2017. The SSA website is so frustrating! It seems like all my historical information disappeared when I converted from disability to retirement. Now there's barely anything showing in my account. I need these numbers to determine if I'm eligible for a spousal top-up since my husband's benefit is substantially higher than mine. Is this something I need to call about or physically go to an office for? Both options seem like such a hassle for what should be basic information! I've spent hours trying to figure this out online with no luck. Sorry if this is confusing - I've been staring at SSA publications until my eyes hurt trying to understand this!

just wondering if you solved this yet? im in a similar situation and wondering if I should just hire a financial advisor who specializes in SS to figure this out for me. feels like an unnecessary expense but the opportunity cost of missing out on benefits seems worse!

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Not yet - I'm planning to call tomorrow using that Claimyr service someone mentioned above. I considered a financial advisor too, but figured I'd try SSA directly first. I'll update here if I get it resolved!

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I'm new to this community but dealing with a very similar situation! I transitioned from SSDI to retirement benefits 6 months ago and I'm also trying to figure out spousal benefits. One thing that helped me was creating a my Social Security account if you don't already have one. Even though a lot of the historical info disappears after the SSDI-to-retirement conversion, you can still access your current benefit verification letter which shows your monthly payment amount (which equals your PIA at FRA). Also, I found this SSA publication helpful: "What Every Woman Should Know" (even though it's targeted at women, it has great examples of spousal benefit calculations). It's on the SSA website under publications. Based on what others have said about your numbers ($1,250 vs your husband's $2,800), you're definitely entitled to additional spousal benefits. Don't let the bureaucracy discourage you - that extra $150/month adds up to $1,800 per year! Good luck with your call tomorrow. I'd love to hear how it goes since I'm probably going to need to make the same call soon.

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Can I request November start date for Social Security if not at FRA and still get paid in December?

I'm planning to retire early at 63 (not at my Full Retirement Age yet) and trying to time my Social Security benefits perfectly. If I submit my application by the end of October, can I specifically request a November start date for my benefits? More importantly, would I actually receive my first payment in December? I'm concerned about the processing times right now with SSA and wondering if that timeline is realistic. My financial advisor suggested I apply at least 3 months before I want benefits to start, but I've procrastinated and now I'm worried about delays. Has anyone recently applied and can share how long the process took from application to first payment?

Thanks everyone for the helpful advice! I'm going to apply online first thing tomorrow morning and specifically request the November start date. I'll make sure all my documents are ready and double-check the earnings limit since I might do some part-time work. I feel a lot better knowing that the timeline should work for getting my first payment in December. I'll update here if I run into any issues with the application!

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Good luck with your application tomorrow! Just a heads up - when you're filling out the online application, there's a section called "When do you want your benefits to start?" and you can select November from the dropdown menu. Also, if you haven't already, create your my Social Security account at ssa.gov beforehand so you can check your earnings record like Miguel mentioned. It'll save you time during the application process. Keep us posted on how it goes!

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Will my federal employee husband get spousal benefits from my Social Security at 70 with GPO impacts?

Hi everyone, I'm in a bit of a complicated situation with Social Security and government pensions. My husband has worked for the USPS for 31 years and will get a FERS pension when he retires next year. He only worked in the private sector for about 5 years early in his career, so he doesn't have the 40 credits needed for his own Social Security benefits. Meanwhile, I've worked in the private sector my whole life and I'm planning to delay claiming my Social Security retirement benefits until I turn 70 (about 3 years from now) to maximize my monthly amount. I'm trying to figure out two things: 1) Can my husband claim any spousal benefits based on MY Social Security record since he doesn't qualify for his own? 2) If he can get spousal benefits, will that reduce the amount I receive when I claim at 70? I've heard something about a Government Pension Offset (GPO) but I'm confused about how it works in our situation. Anyone dealt with this FERS/Social Security spousal situation before?

One additional important point: Your husband will only be able to collect spousal benefits when YOU file for your retirement benefits. Since you're planning to wait until 70, he won't be able to receive spousal benefits until then, even if he's already retired from his federal job. There used to be a strategy called "file and suspend" that would have allowed him to collect while you delayed, but that option was eliminated in 2015 with the Bipartisan Budget Act. So factor that timing into your retirement plans.

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That's a really important point I hadn't considered. He's retiring at 62 next year, but I won't be 70 for another 3 years after that. So there will be a gap where he'll have his FERS pension but no Social Security spousal benefits. We'll need to budget accordingly. Thanks for pointing this out!

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Just wanted to add some clarity on the timing aspect that Matthew mentioned. Since your husband is retiring at 62 but you're waiting until 70, you might want to consider whether it makes sense for you to file earlier if the spousal benefit would be substantial for your household budget during those gap years. Remember that even if you file at your full retirement age instead of 70, you'd still get your full Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), and your husband could get up to 50% of that amount as a spousal benefit (assuming no GPO reduction as a FERS employee). You'd miss out on the delayed retirement credits that boost your benefit by 8% per year until 70, but you'd both have income coming in sooner. It's a trade-off calculation: your higher benefit at 70 vs. having both benefits starting earlier. A financial planner familiar with Social Security strategies might be helpful for running the numbers on your specific situation.

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Yes! The Social Security Administration has an official Retirement Estimator on their website (ssa.gov/estimator) that can help model different claiming strategies. For more detailed analysis, AARP also has a free Social Security Calculator that lets you compare scenarios. Since you're dealing with the FERS pension complication, you might also want to check out the Federal Retirement Planning resources on OPM.gov. They often have calculators specifically for federal employees navigating the FERS/Social Security combination. Just make sure any calculator you use accounts for spousal benefits and can handle the timing differences between when each of you would claim.

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The SSA website has a basic retirement estimator, but for more detailed "what if" scenarios with spousal benefits, I'd recommend checking out the calculators at AARP or FidSafe. OpenSocialSecurity.com also has a pretty comprehensive free tool that can model different claiming strategies for married couples. Just keep in mind that since your husband is under FERS (not CSRS), make sure any calculator you use accounts for the fact that he likely won't face GPO reductions on spousal benefits. The timing question is really crucial - sometimes the total household benefit over your lifetimes is higher even if you don't maximize the individual benefit.

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