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Social Security earnings limit at FRA - is there an hours worked restriction besides the $59,520 limit?

I'm turning my Full Retirement Age (FRA) later this year and I understand there's a higher earnings limit of $59,520 for the months before reaching FRA in 2025. But I'm confused about something - does Social Security also restrict the NUMBER OF HOURS I can work during this period, or is it strictly based on the earnings amount? My employer wants me to work more hours leading up to my retirement but I don't want to accidentally trigger any benefit reductions if there's some hourly cap I don't know about. I've searched everywhere on ssa.gov but can't find anything about hour limitations, just the dollar amount. Anyone know for sure?

Thanks everyone for the great information! To summarize what I've learned: there's NO hourly limit, just the earnings cap of $59,520 for months before FRA in 2025. I need to track when money is EARNED not paid, and be proactive about reporting if I might exceed the limit. Investment income doesn't count toward the limit, and any benefit reductions now will increase my benefit amount later. Really appreciate all the help!

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Sounds like you've got it! One last tip - if you're close to your FRA and have flexibility with your work schedule, sometimes it makes sense to shift some income to after your FRA month when there's no limit at all. Good luck with everything!

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Just wanted to add one more important detail that might help - if you do end up exceeding the earnings limit, Social Security typically stops your benefits entirely until they've withheld the required amount, rather than reducing each monthly payment proportionally. So if you owe $3,000 in withheld benefits and your monthly benefit is $1,500, they'll stop TWO full months of payments rather than reducing 6 months by $500 each. This can create cash flow issues if you're not prepared for it. Planning ahead with SSA is definitely the way to go if you think you might go over the limit!

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Confusion about WEP reform and PERS pension - do my 40 quarters help with Social Security benefits?

I'm so confused about how the new WEP reform affects me! I worked for a county government for 22 years and have a PERS pension that will pay about $3,100/month starting next year. Before and after my government job, I worked in the private sector and have exactly 42 quarters of Social Security earnings. I keep hearing different things about how the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) might be changing and whether having 40+ quarters means anything for me. Does anyone know how to find out if this helps my situation? Will my Social Security benefits still be reduced because of my PERS pension, or does having the 40 quarters protect me somehow? I tried calling SSA three times but kept getting disconnected after waiting for hours!

Wait I'm confused now...is WEP the same as the Government Pension Offset (GPO)? Cuz my uncle lost his WHOLE spousal benefit from my aunt's record because of his pension...

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No, they're different provisions: - WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) affects your OWN Social Security benefits if you have a pension from non-covered employment - GPO (Government Pension Offset) reduces or eliminates spousal or survivor benefits if you have a government pension from non-covered work GPO is generally more severe - it reduces spousal/survivor benefits by 2/3 of your government pension amount. The original question here is about WEP, which applies to the person's own retirement benefits. But both provisions can apply if you're eligible for multiple benefit types.

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I just went through a similar situation with my state pension and WEP! One thing that really helped me was creating a spreadsheet with all my Social Security earnings by year and comparing them to the substantial earnings thresholds for each year. You can find the historical substantial earnings amounts on the SSA website. With your 42 quarters and roughly 7-8 years of substantial earnings, you'll likely face some WEP reduction, but the new reform should make it more proportional to your actual contributions. The old formula was much harsher for people with mixed public/private careers like ours. I'd strongly recommend getting that in-person appointment at SSA - bring printouts of your complete earnings record and be prepared to wait, but it's worth it to get the exact calculation. They can run both the old and new WEP formulas to show you the difference. In my case, the new formula saved me about $180/month compared to what I would have lost under the old rules. Also, make sure to ask about how the transition period works if you're planning to retire soon - there are different implementation timelines depending on when you claim benefits.

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Social Security withholding calculation seems off - how to see detailed payment breakdown?

My husband and I started receiving our Social Security retirement benefits last month (January 2025). When I applied, I requested 12% federal tax withholding on both our payments. The problem is, I can't figure out how they calculated our net amounts! I've tried working backward from both the gross amount with cents and the rounded-down whole dollar amount, but neither calculation matches what we actually received. I've logged into our my Social Security accounts, but it only shows the final payment amount with no breakdown of the withholding or calculations. Is there a way to see an itemized statement that shows exactly how they calculated the tax withholding? I'm worried it'll get even more confusing next month when Medicare Part B premiums start coming out of our payments. I know it's a minor issue, but the accountant in me needs to understand where these numbers are coming from!

the my SSA website is useless for details honestly. they update it like once a decade lol

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As someone who just went through this exact same confusion when I started receiving benefits last year, I feel your pain! The SSA's calculation method is definitely not intuitive. One thing that helped me was requesting a "Monthly Benefit Statement" through the my Social Security portal - it's different from the regular benefit verification letter and shows more detailed breakdowns. You can find it under the "Benefits & Payment Details" section. Also, if you're planning to have both Social Security and other retirement income this year, you might want to double-check that 12% withholding will be enough to cover your tax liability. I had to adjust mine after talking to my tax preparer because the combined income pushed us into a higher bracket than expected. Good luck figuring out their mysterious math! At least you'll have it sorted before Medicare kicks in next month.

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Social Security delayed retirement credits with spousal top-up - can I still get 8% yearly increase?

I just turned 67 (my FRA) and started receiving Social Security retirement benefits. My wife is getting her own benefit plus a spousal top-up since her benefit is lower than mine. I recently learned I could have suspended my retirement benefits from 67 to 70 and earned an 8% increase for each year delayed (24% total!). I'm wondering if I can still do this even though my wife is getting a spousal top-up based on my record? Will suspending my benefits also stop her spousal portion? We need her full amount to cover our expenses, but I'd love to increase my future benefit if possible. Has anyone navigated this situation successfully? Thanks for any insights!

One more thing to consider - when you die (sorry to be morbid), your wife will receive the higher of her own benefit or your benefit as a survivor benefit. So increasing your benefit through delayed retirement credits would give her a higher survivor benefit for her lifetime. This is why financial advisors often recommend the higher-earning spouse delay as long as possible, especially if the wife is younger or expected to outlive the husband (statistically common).

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This is actually the most important point that everyone misses! My mom is now getting my dad's full benefit as a survivor and thank goodness he waited until 70 to claim. Makes a HUGE difference in her monthly check now that she's alone. Sometimes you have to think long-term with SS decisions.

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Thank you all for the helpful responses. I really appreciate the different perspectives. I'm going to try calling SSA to discuss our specific numbers, and I'll use that Claimyr service since regular calls haven't worked. Based on your comments, I'm leaning toward not suspending since we do need the current income, but I'll run all the calculations first, especially considering the survivor benefit aspect. This forum has been incredibly helpful!

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You're making a smart decision to get the actual numbers before deciding! One thing that might help - when you talk to SSA, ask them to calculate what your benefit would be at age 70 with the delayed credits, and then ask what your wife's survivor benefit would be based on that higher amount. Sometimes seeing those concrete dollar figures makes the decision clearer. Also, don't feel bad about starting benefits when you did - you made the right call given your wife's health situation at the time. Life rarely follows the "optimal" financial plan!

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Claiming Social Security at 63 while caring for disabled spouse - spousal benefits possible?

I'm turning 63 in a few months and considering filing for my Social Security retirement benefits. My work history is pretty sparse because I stepped away from my career about 25 years ago to raise my grandchildren full-time. I haven't had any income since then, so my own SS benefit will only be around $850/month if I claim now. My situation is getting more complicated - my husband (64) is currently receiving SSDI (about $2,100/month), and I'm his primary caregiver since his health declined. I'm also taking care of my elderly parents who are both in their 90s. With household expenses increasing, we're really struggling on just his disability payment. I have several questions that I can't seem to get straight answers for: 1. Can I claim any portion of my husband's disability benefit while he's still receiving SSDI? 2. When my husband turns 65 next August, will his disability automatically convert to retirement benefits? 3. Will his benefit amount change when that conversion happens? 4. If I take my own retirement early at 63, will that permanently affect any spousal benefits I might qualify for later? I know claiming early means permanently reduced benefits, but some income now would really help our situation. Any advice from those who've navigated this? What would you do in my shoes?

One important thing nobody has mentioned: if you're providing care for your disabled husband and elderly parents, you might want to look into whether your state offers any paid family caregiver programs through Medicaid. Many states have programs where family members can get paid (typically minimum wage) for providing care that would otherwise require a professional caregiver. This would give you some income now and help build up your Social Security credits for future benefits. Regarding your original questions: 1. Yes, you can claim spousal benefits on your husband's SSDI record 2. His SSDI will automatically convert to retirement benefits at his full retirement age 3. The amount typically stays the same during this conversion 4. Taking your own benefit early will reduce it permanently, but shouldn't affect spousal benefits you might be eligible for

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I had no idea about paid family caregiver programs! That's definitely something I'll look into. Thank you for that tip and for clarifying about the benefits. I think I'm going to apply for both my retirement and spousal benefits, then look into the caregiver program as well. At least that gives us a starting point to improve our financial situation.

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share something that might help. My aunt was in a very similar situation - caring for her disabled husband while having minimal work history herself. One thing that really helped her was requesting a "benefit estimate" from SSA before making any decisions. They can run calculations showing exactly what you'd receive under different scenarios: your own retirement benefit only, spousal benefit only, or the combination of both. This helped her see that even though her own benefit was small, the spousal benefit made a real difference. Also, since you mentioned struggling with expenses, don't forget to check if you qualify for any state assistance programs for caregivers or low-income seniors. Many states have property tax exemptions, utility assistance, or food programs that can help stretch your budget while you're waiting for benefits to start. The fact that you're caring for multiple family members shows incredible dedication. I hope you can find a path forward that gives you some financial relief soon.

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