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Just wanted to add one more consideration that might be relevant - if your mom's boyfriend is currently 62 and taking reduced benefits, his monthly payment will continue to be reduced for the rest of his life. However, when he passes away (hopefully many years from now), your mom as his surviving spouse would be eligible for survivor benefits based on what he WOULD have received at his full retirement age, not his reduced amount. So even if the spousal benefit doesn't help her now, the marriage could still provide valuable survivor protection down the road. This is different from the spousal benefit calculation and something else to factor into their decision. Of course, nobody likes to think about these scenarios, but it's part of the overall financial picture when considering remarriage at this stage of life.
That's a really thoughtful point about the survivor benefits being based on his full retirement amount rather than his reduced payment! It's good to think about the long-term financial protection aspect even if the immediate spousal benefit doesn't pan out. These kinds of considerations really show how complex Social Security planning can be when you're thinking about remarriage later in life. Thanks for bringing up that important distinction between spousal and survivor benefit calculations.
Great thread with lots of helpful information! I just wanted to add that when your mom calls SSA to get the estimate, she should also ask about the "deemed filing" rules. Since she's already receiving her own retirement benefit and is past full retirement age, if she does become eligible for a spousal benefit after marriage, SSA will automatically pay her the higher of the two amounts. But it's still worth understanding exactly how they calculate everything so there are no surprises. Also, if they do decide to get married, make sure to keep good records of the marriage date since SSA will need proof of the marriage duration when she applies for any spousal benefits. A certified copy of the marriage certificate will be required. Good luck to your mom - it sounds like you're doing a great job helping her navigate this complex decision!
I'm so sorry to hear about your situation! Everyone here has given you the correct information - the 10-year marriage requirement is absolutely firm for divorced spouse benefits, no exceptions. But don't lose hope about your own benefits! I went through something similar and was pleasantly surprised when I finally got my official estimate. The Social Security formula is actually designed to help people with lower lifetime earnings - it replaces a higher percentage of pre-retirement income for lower earners. Even if you only worked part-time or had gaps, those years of contributions add up. I'd strongly recommend scheduling an appointment at your local SSA office (or using that Claimyr service someone mentioned if you can't get through by phone) to go over all your options. They can also help you understand if working a few more years before claiming might significantly boost your benefit amount. Sometimes just a couple more years of even part-time work can make a real difference in your monthly payment!
Thank you so much for the encouragement! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through a similar situation. I had no idea that Social Security was designed to help lower earners more - that actually makes me feel a bit more optimistic about my own benefits. You're right that I should probably schedule an appointment to go over everything properly. I've been putting it off because the whole process seems so daunting, but reading everyone's responses here has given me the push I needed to actually take action. Maybe working a few more part-time years could help boost things up a bit too. Really appreciate you sharing your experience!
I understand how frustrating this must be for you! Just to add to what everyone has shared - while the 10-year marriage rule is indeed firm, don't forget that you might also want to explore whether you qualify for any other types of Social Security benefits. For instance, if you become disabled before reaching retirement age, the work requirements for Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) are different and based on recent work activity rather than lifetime earnings. Also, once you do start collecting your own retirement benefits, if your financial situation is still tight, you might be eligible for other assistance programs like SNAP, Medicaid, or housing assistance that can help stretch your Social Security dollars further. The important thing is not to give up - there are often more options available than people realize, even when the obvious path (like ex-spouse benefits) isn't available to you.
That's a great point about exploring other types of benefits and assistance programs! I hadn't really thought about disability benefits as a possibility, though hopefully I won't need that. But it's good to know there are other safety nets available. The idea about assistance programs like SNAP is really helpful too - I'll definitely look into what might be available in my area once I start collecting benefits. It sounds like there's a whole ecosystem of support that I wasn't aware of. Thank you for reminding me not to give up! Sometimes when you hit a roadblock like the 10-year marriage rule, it feels like there are no other options, but clearly there's still a lot to explore.
I'm also approaching Social Security eligibility and this has been such a valuable discussion! Reading through everyone's experiences, it's clear that certified mail is the safest route for submitting the W-4V form. I particularly appreciate Ingrid's tip about calling to confirm receipt - that proactive approach seems much better than waiting and wondering. One thing I'm curious about - for those who have gone through this process, did any of you end up needing to make quarterly estimated tax payments in addition to the Social Security withholding? I'm trying to figure out if the standard withholding percentages (7%, 10%, 12%, 22%) are typically sufficient or if most people need to supplement with quarterly payments. I have some investment income that might complicate things, so I want to make sure I'm not caught off guard come tax time. Also, has anyone used a tax professional to help calculate the right withholding percentage? I'm wondering if it's worth the consultation fee to get it right from the start rather than guessing and adjusting later.
Great questions! I've been on Social Security for about 18 months now and can share some insights. I started with 10% withholding but still needed to make small quarterly payments because of my investment income - dividends and capital gains distributions aren't covered by the Social Security withholding. The withholding percentages work well for covering taxes on your SS benefits themselves, but if you have other income sources, you'll likely need to supplement. I actually did consult with a tax professional during my first year, and it was absolutely worth the $200 consultation fee. They helped me calculate that 12% withholding plus quarterly payments of about $800 would keep me safe. Without that guidance, I probably would have underpaid and faced penalties. One thing to keep in mind - you can always adjust your withholding percentage if needed, but it's harder to catch up if you've been underwithheld all year. Starting conservative with a higher percentage or adding quarterly payments is usually the safer approach when you have multiple income streams.
This thread has been incredibly helpful for someone just starting to navigate Social Security withholding! I'm 67 and just filed for my benefits last week. Based on everyone's experiences here, I'm definitely going the certified mail route for my W-4V form. I wanted to add one more option that worked well for my sister last year - she actually submitted her W-4V through her MySocialSecurity online account. There's a "Contact Us" section where you can upload documents securely. She got an automatic confirmation that it was received, and the withholding started within about 2 weeks. This might be worth checking if you're comfortable with the online portal and want that digital confirmation receipt. Thanks especially to Maria for starting this discussion and to everyone who shared their real experiences - both the success stories and the cautionary tales about drop boxes!
Thank you for mentioning the MySocialSecurity online portal option, Zara! I had no idea you could upload the W-4V form directly through the website. That sounds like it might be even more reliable than certified mail since you get that automatic confirmation receipt. I'm pretty comfortable with online portals, so this could be perfect for me. Do you happen to know if your sister had to scan the completed form as a PDF, or does the system accept other file formats? This seems like it could be the best of both worlds - secure submission with immediate confirmation that it was received.
As someone who recently went through Social Security planning with my elderly parents, I wanted to add that it's also worth considering the tax implications of survivor benefits. Your wife's survivor benefit would be subject to the same federal income tax rules as regular Social Security benefits - so if her total income (including the survivor benefit) exceeds certain thresholds, up to 85% of the benefit could be taxable. Since she'd be receiving a higher monthly amount ($3,100 vs whatever she's getting now), this might push her into a higher tax bracket. It's something to factor into your overall financial planning. Also, make sure she knows that Medicare premiums are typically deducted directly from Social Security payments, so the actual amount she receives might be slightly less than the gross benefit amount.
That's a really important point about taxes that I hadn't fully considered! You're absolutely right that jumping from her current benefit to my $3,100 could have significant tax implications. We'll definitely need to factor that into our planning and maybe talk to our tax preparer about strategies to minimize the impact. The Medicare premium deduction is also good to know - I always forget that those come out automatically. Thanks for thinking through all these practical details that can make a real difference in the actual amount she'd receive each month.
As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to share something I learned recently that might be helpful for your situation. When my aunt was dealing with survivor benefits, she discovered that Social Security has a "deemed filing" rule that can be confusing. Since your wife has already filed for her own retirement benefits, when she becomes eligible for survivor benefits, she'll automatically be deemed to have filed for both - but she'll only receive the higher amount, not both. The good news is that since she's already past her FRA, there won't be any reduction to the survivor benefit due to early filing. One thing that really helped my aunt was creating a timeline document showing when each benefit started and what the projected survivor benefit would be, which made it much easier when she had to meet with SSA later. Also, don't forget that if you have any delayed retirement credits by waiting past your FRA, those will increase the survivor benefit amount too!
Welcome to the community, Sunny! That's really helpful information about the deemed filing rule - I hadn't heard that term before but it makes sense. Creating a timeline document is a brilliant idea. I think I'll put together something similar that shows our current benefits, projected survivor benefits, and all the key dates and requirements. It would definitely make things easier for my wife if she ever needs to reference everything quickly. The point about delayed retirement credits is also good to remember - if I do decide to wait until 70, those credits would make the survivor benefit even more valuable for her long-term security.
KaiEsmeralda
you should check out ABLE accounts if you get disability!! we set one up for my husband and it lets you save money without losing benefits. theres income limits for SSI but not SSDI but the ABLE account is still helpful for planning
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Sofia Ramirez
I'm going through a similar situation right now at 59 with rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia. Based on my research and consultation with a disability attorney, here's what I've learned that might help you: First, start documenting EVERYTHING now - keep a daily symptom journal, get regular medical appointments, and make sure your doctors are noting functional limitations, not just diagnoses. The SSA wants to see how your conditions prevent you from working ANY job, not just your current one. Second, consider applying for SSDI while you're still working if your condition worsens. You can work part-time and earn up to $1,550/month (2025 limit) during the application process without it affecting your claim. Third, regarding your wife's potential spousal benefits - she could claim on your SSDI record starting at 62, but it would be reduced. However, if she also qualifies for SSDI on her own record, that might be more advantageous since there's no age reduction for disability benefits. One thing that really opened my eyes: my attorney said to think of SSDI as "pre-paying" for your full retirement benefit. You've already earned it through your work credits, and disability just lets you access it early without the typical early retirement penalties. The process is daunting, but don't let that discourage you from applying if you genuinely can't work. Start gathering your medical records now - you'll need them either way.
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Kelsey Chin
•This is incredibly helpful advice! I had no idea you could work part-time during the SSDI application process - that could really help with the financial strain during the waiting period. The daily symptom journal is something I'm going to start immediately. Can I ask how long you've been working with your disability attorney? Did you hire them before applying or after getting denied? I'm trying to figure out the best timing for getting legal help. Also, the point about SSDI being like "pre-paying" for retirement benefits really helps me think about this differently. Thank you for sharing your experience - it's reassuring to hear from someone in a similar situation.
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