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I'm really confused about my dual eligibility payments (SSDI and SSI). My SSDI monthly payment is $340, and for December I received that PLUS the full SSI amount. I know this isn't right since SSI is supposed to be reduced by my SSDI income. I completed my SSI redetermination review on November 25th, but something seems off with how my benefits are being calculated. I've called the SSA office multiple times but get different answers each time. One rep told me it would take 2-3 months to adjust, another said they'd fix it next month, and a third said I needed to come into the office. I've been on SSI for years and only recently became eligible for SSDI. How long does it typically take for them to adjust the SSI amount after SSDI starts? Is there anything I should be doing to prevent an overpayment notice later? I'm worried about suddenly owing money back.
Going crazy trying to understand what Social Security is doing with my SSDI overpayment case. About 18 months ago, SSA claimed I had a $7,300 overpayment because they didn't properly calculate my workers' compensation offset. I immediately filed an appeal and requested a hearing with an Administrative Law Judge (still waiting on that date). Here's where it gets weird - last month they suddenly sent me a $3,400 payment and reduced my "overpayment balance" from $7,300 to $3,900. No explanation, just deposited the money. If they're admitting they owe me $3,400 back, doesn't that basically prove their original overpayment calculation was wrong? And if that's the case, shouldn't they just wipe out the remaining $3,900 "debt" too? The workers' comp ended 2 years ago, so there's no ongoing offset issue. I'm completely lost about what this partial refund means for my case. Anyone dealt with something similar or understand what's happening?
my cousin works for ssa (not saying where) and she says the workers comp offset errors are super common. they have different people handling different parts of your case and the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing half the time. that $3400 was probably processed by someone who saw part of the error but not all of it. keep pushing!
I'm dealing with something very similar right now - SSA claimed I had a $5,200 overpayment from workers' comp offset issues, and I've been fighting it for over a year. The whole system seems designed to confuse people into just accepting whatever they say you owe. One thing that helped me was getting a copy of my earnings record (Form SSA-7050-F4) to verify they had my pre-disability wages correct. Turns out they were missing an entire year of earnings that would have increased my ACE calculation significantly. Also, if you haven't already, document EVERYTHING - dates of all your workers' comp payments, the exact amounts, and when they started/stopped. The burden is on them to prove the overpayment is correct, not on you to prove it's wrong. That partial $3,400 refund is actually great evidence that their original calculation was flawed. Don't let them wear you down. The fact that you're still waiting for your ALJ hearing after 18 months is ridiculous, but it's unfortunately typical. Stay strong and keep all your documentation organized for when that hearing finally happens.
I'm turning 62 next month and trying to figure out my options with Social Security. My plan is to claim my retirement benefits right away since I could really use the extra income now. But I'm wondering - if my financial situation improves in a few months, can I actually stop receiving benefits temporarily? I've heard something about being able to suspend benefits but not sure if that applies to someone my age or if there are consequences. Has anyone done this? What happens to my monthly amount if I restart benefits later?
To summarize your options since there's some confusion in the comments: 1. If within 12 months of filing: You can withdraw your application (Form SSA-521), repay all benefits, and it's like you never filed. You can refile later for a higher amount. 2. If it's been more than 12 months since filing: You cannot suspend benefits until you reach Full Retirement Age (likely 67). 3. Working while receiving benefits: Subject to the earnings limit ($22,320 in 2025) until you reach FRA. Excess earnings result in withholding of benefits. The decision should be based on your short and long-term financial needs, life expectancy, and employment plans. There's no single right answer - it depends on your circumstances.
Thank you all for the detailed explanations. I think I need to reconsider my plans. I didn't realize there were so many restrictions on stopping benefits once started. Given my current situation, I might be better off waiting a bit longer before filing, especially if I think I might want to go back to work. The earnings limit would really complicate things for me.
One thing to add that might help with your decision - you could also consider doing a "break-even analysis" to see if taking benefits early makes sense for your situation. Calculate how much total money you'd receive by taking benefits at 62 versus waiting until your Full Retirement Age or even age 70. For example, if you take $1,200/month at 62 versus $1,600/month at 67, you'd need to live past about age 77-78 for waiting to pay off. If you're in good health and expect to live well into your 80s or 90s, waiting could mean tens of thousands more in lifetime benefits. But if you really need the income now for basic expenses, that changes the calculation. Also worth noting - if you have a spouse, your decision affects their potential survivor benefits too. The higher earner's benefit amount at death becomes the survivor benefit, so starting early permanently reduces what your spouse might receive later.
I'll be turning 66 (my full retirement age) in four months and I'm trying to figure out if I can start collecting Social Security retirement benefits while continuing to work at my county government job. I've been working for the county for 18 years but also worked in the private sector for 15 years before that where I paid into Social Security. I know there's something called WEP that might reduce my benefits, but I'm not clear if I can even collect SS while still employed by the government. My pension won't be enough on its own, so I'm hoping to collect both for a while. Would I face any earnings limit penalties? My HR department wasn't very helpful, just gave me some confusing pamphlets. Has anyone navigated this situation successfully?
Based on your comments, here's what I recommend: 1. Get an appointment with SSA to calculate your specific WEP reduction based on your earnings history. This will give you a clear picture of what to expect. 2. Since you're at FRA, you can collect full SS benefits (minus WEP reduction) while continuing to work at your government job with no earnings limit penalties. 3. Consider your strategy after leaving your government job - even part-time work in the private sector could help reduce your WEP penalty over time. 4. Request a PEBES (Benefit Estimate) statement from SSA that accounts for the WEP, as the standard statements online don't always factor this in. The combination of your reduced SS benefit and your government pension may still provide good retirement security, especially with the government health benefits you mentioned.
Just wanted to add one more tip from my experience - when you do get that SSA appointment, bring documentation of ALL your earnings history if you have it. I brought my old W-2s and tax returns from my private sector years, and it helped the agent verify my substantial earnings years more quickly. Also, don't be discouraged if the first agent you speak with seems unsure about WEP calculations. I had to speak with a supervisor to get accurate numbers. The calculation is complex and not all front-line staff are equally familiar with it. One last thing - if you're married, make sure to ask about how WEP might affect any spousal benefits your spouse might be eligible for. The rules are different than for your own retirement benefit. Good luck with your appointment! It sounds like you're being very thorough in your planning, which will serve you well.
I'm trying to help my parents maximize their Social Security benefits, but the whole GPO/WEP thing is confusing me! My mom worked for the state education department for 28 years and gets a pension from that (about $2,200/month). My dad worked in private industry his whole career and gets around $3,760/month from Social Security. Mom already gets some Social Security from her own work (about $480/month) which I think is reduced because of WEP. They're both in their 80s (mom 85, dad 87) and still married. Since dad's benefit is so much higher, would mom be eligible to get spousal benefits based on his record? Could she get up to half of his amount ($1,880)? Or does that GPO rule completely prevent her from getting anything additional? Does it matter that they're already so much older than full retirement age? Any help understanding this would be greatly appreciated!
wait does she get any of his benefit if he passes away? or does gpo still apply to widow benefits to?
GPO also applies to survivor benefits, but the calculation might be more favorable. As a widow, she could be eligible for up to 100% of his benefit (instead of 50%), which means after the GPO reduction, there might still be a partial survivor benefit payable. Using the numbers shared: If she became eligible for his full $3,760, minus the GPO reduction of $1,467, she could potentially receive $2,293 as a survivor benefit (replacing her current $480). This would be an important consideration for future planning.
Based on the detailed discussion here, it sounds like your mom's situation is unfortunately common but there are definitely some avenues worth exploring! The math that Omar laid out is spot-on - with her $2,200 state pension creating a $1,467 GPO reduction, she wouldn't get additional spousal benefits since her own $480 is higher than the remaining $413. However, I'd really encourage you to dig into those exceptions that Ravi and others mentioned. The 60-month rule could be a game-changer if she paid SS taxes during her final years of state employment. Many teachers and state employees don't realize their districts sometimes switched to SS-covered positions near retirement. Also, that service Astrid mentioned (claimyr) might be worth the investment if you keep hitting dead ends with SSA phone calls. Sometimes paying a small fee to skip the phone queue nightmare is worth your sanity and time. Good luck, and don't give up - these rules are complex but there are people out there who can help navigate them!
CyberNinja
Just wanted to say - make SURE you don't spend that extra money! My husband had almost the same situation (but with $412 SSDI) and we spent the overpayment not realizing it was a mistake. Six months later we got hit with a $3,600+ bill from SSA. We're still paying it back three years later. The stress isn't worth it. Put it in a separate account if you can.
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Diego Ramirez
AuthorThat's exactly what I'm afraid of! I've started putting the extra in a separate account. Did they take a lot each month when you had to pay it back?
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CyberNinja
They initially wanted $100/month which we couldn't afford. We filled out the waiver form showing our expenses and they reduced it to $50/month. Still hurts our budget but at least it was manageable.
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QuantumQuasar
I'm dealing with something similar right now! Just started getting SSDI ($280/month) in November while I've been on SSI for about 2 years. December was my first month getting both full amounts and I immediately knew something was wrong. I called SSA three times and got three different stories - one rep said it was normal for the first month, another said they'd "put in a request to fix it" (whatever that means), and the third one basically had no idea what I was talking about. Reading through everyone's responses here, I think I need to follow the advice about going to the local office in person and getting that receipt showing I reported it. The last thing I want is to get hit with a huge overpayment bill later. Has anyone had luck getting the adjustment made faster by going to the office instead of calling? The phone wait times are absolutely ridiculous and half the time they just hang up on me after an hour on hold.
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