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I'm so sorry for your loss, Micah. Going through this while grieving is incredibly overwhelming. I wanted to add one more important detail that hasn't been mentioned yet: if you're receiving spousal child-in-care benefits, there are earnings limits you need to be aware of. For 2025, if you're under full retirement age, you can earn up to $23,400 before your benefits start getting reduced. They reduce your benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn over that limit. This is different from your children's benefits - their benefits aren't affected by your earnings, only yours are. It's worth factoring this into your work planning, especially since everyone's emphasizing how important it is to keep working. The SSA website has a calculator that can help you figure out how much you can earn without affecting your benefits. Just another layer of complexity in an already confusing system, but important to know about.
This is such an important point about the earnings limits that I completely overlooked! Thank you for mentioning this. I've been working part-time making about $18,000 a year, so it sounds like I'm still under the limit, but this is definitely something I need to keep in mind if I increase my hours or find a better-paying job. It's frustrating that there are so many different rules and limits to keep track of - between the family maximum, the earnings limits, and all the different benefit types, it feels like you need a degree in Social Security law just to understand what you're entitled to. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain these details that SSA glosses over.
You're absolutely right about needing a degree in Social Security law! The earnings limit is one of those things that can really trip you up if you're not careful. Since you're making $18,000, you have some room to grow, but definitely keep that calculator handy if you're considering increasing your income. One more thing to watch out for - the earnings limit changes each year (usually goes up slightly), so what's $23,400 this year will probably be a bit higher next year. Also, if you do accidentally go over the limit one year, don't panic - they'll just adjust your benefits the following year rather than demanding immediate repayment. The system is definitely not user-friendly, but at least there are people here who've navigated it and can help explain what SSA doesn't make clear!
I'm so sorry for your loss, Micah. I went through this same confusion when my husband passed 3 years ago, leaving me with two kids. The terminology is absolutely maddening! Here's the simplest way I can explain it: Think of it as two separate benefit "buckets." Bucket 1: Your CHILDREN each get their own individual benefit (Child's Insurance Benefit) - this lasts until they're 18/19. Bucket 2: YOU get a benefit (Mother's/Father's Insurance Benefit) for taking care of kids under 16 - yours stops when your youngest hits 16. The reason SSA calls them both "child-in-care" benefits is because they're both triggered by having eligible children, but they're completely separate payments with different rules. What really helped me was getting a written breakdown from SSA showing exactly what each person in my family was getting and when each benefit would end. Don't be afraid to ask for this in writing - it makes planning so much easier than trying to remember verbal explanations. You're doing great navigating this impossible system while dealing with such a huge loss.
Thank you so much for the "two buckets" explanation - that's probably the clearest way anyone has put it! I really like that approach of thinking about them as separate benefit streams rather than getting confused by all the similar terminology. I'm definitely going to ask for that written breakdown you mentioned when I call SSA next. Having everything in writing sounds like it would help me keep track of all these different rules and timelines. It's reassuring to hear from so many people who have successfully navigated this system, even though it shouldn't be this complicated for families dealing with loss. I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and advice here.
I went through this exact same decision process about 6 months ago and can confirm what others have said - the benefits are calculated completely separately! I was also 63 when my husband passed and decided to take survivor benefits at 64. The SSA representative I worked with was very clear that my future retirement benefit wouldn't be affected at all by taking survivor benefits early. One thing I'd add is to get everything in writing when you apply. I asked for a written explanation of my benefit amounts and how they were calculated, which has been helpful to reference. Also, don't be surprised if different SSA representatives give you slightly different information - I talked to three different people and got three slightly different explanations, but the core message was always the same: the benefits don't affect each other's calculations. Your strategy sounds really smart, especially if your own benefit at 70 will be significantly higher than the reduced survivor benefit. Good luck with everything!
Thank you so much for sharing your recent experience with this exact situation! It's incredibly reassuring to hear from someone who just went through this process. I really appreciate the tip about getting everything in writing - that's definitely something I'll do when I apply. It's also good to know that different representatives might explain things slightly differently but the core message remains consistent. That actually makes me feel better about some of the conflicting information I've been getting. Your point about asking for a written explanation of the benefit calculations is brilliant - having that documentation could save a lot of headaches later. Thanks for taking the time to share these practical insights from your real experience!
I'm also approaching a similar situation and have been researching this extensively. What I've learned from speaking with a Social Security attorney is that your plan is absolutely correct - survivor benefits and retirement benefits are two completely separate programs with separate calculations. The key thing to remember is that when you take survivor benefits at 64, you're essentially "stepping into your deceased spouse's shoes" for that benefit calculation, but your own work record and retirement benefit continue to grow independently. One additional consideration: make sure to factor in Medicare timing when you're planning your strategy. Since you'll be receiving Social Security benefits (survivor) before 65, you won't be automatically enrolled in Medicare - you'll need to sign up during your initial enrollment period when you turn 65. Just something to keep on your radar as you plan the next few years. Your numbers sound really solid, and waiting until 70 for your own benefit should definitely maximize your lifetime income. The difference between claiming at FRA vs 70 is substantial - those delayed retirement credits really add up!
Just wanted to add my recent experience - I applied for divorced spouse benefits 3 months ago and yes, they absolutely required a birth certificate. I tried to use my passport initially, but the SSA office said it was expired by just 2 months so they wouldn't accept it. Had to get a certified birth certificate copy from my state's vital records office online. The whole process took about 3 weeks from ordering to getting my benefits approved. One tip - when you order online, make sure to get the "long form" birth certificate if your state offers different versions, as SSA sometimes rejects the shorter abstract versions. Also, if you're planning to file online through my.ssa.gov, have all your documents ready to scan/upload because the system times out if you take too long between pages. Good luck with your application!
Thank you for that tip about the "long form" birth certificate! I had no idea there were different versions and that SSA might reject the shorter ones. That could have been a costly mistake if I ordered the wrong type. Also good to know about the online system timing out - I'll make sure to have everything scanned and ready before I start the application process. It's so helpful to hear from people who have actually been through this recently rather than just guessing what might work. Sounds like 3 weeks total isn't too bad once you have all the right documents in order.
I work at a local SSA field office and can confirm what others have said - you definitely need either a birth certificate OR a valid unexpired passport for divorced spouse benefits. The REAL ID alone won't work because we need specific age verification documentation for benefit calculations. Since you don't have a passport, I'd strongly recommend ordering a certified copy of your birth certificate online from your birth state's vital records website rather than waiting for your sister to mail yours. Most states have this service now and it usually takes 1-2 weeks. Make sure to request the "certified" or "official" copy with the raised seal - photocopies or regular copies won't be accepted. Also, since you mentioned you're 66, you're smart to file now at your full retirement age to get the maximum divorced spouse benefit amount. The online application at ssa.gov is usually the fastest way to apply once you have all your documents ready to upload.
Regarding the inflation question - Social Security benefits receive annual Cost of Living Adjustments (COLAs) whether you've claimed benefits yet or not. Your calculated benefit at FRA includes all COLAs that occurred since you turned 62, even if you haven't started receiving benefits yet. So inflation doesn't reduce the advantage of waiting. The break-even analysis (when the total benefits received by waiting equals what you'd get by filing early) typically occurs in your early 80s. If your family has longevity as you mentioned, waiting is statistically advantageous.
I'm glad to see so many helpful responses here! Just wanted to add one practical tip - you can create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov to see your estimated benefits at different claiming ages. It will show you exactly how much you'd get at 63 vs your FRA vs age 70. This can help you make a more informed decision based on your actual numbers rather than general percentages. The account also shows your complete earnings history so you can verify that your 37 years of work are properly recorded. Good luck with your decision!
That's excellent advice about creating the my Social Security account! I actually tried to do that a few months ago but got overwhelmed with the verification process. Do you know if it's gotten any easier recently? Also, is the benefit estimator pretty accurate, or should I take those numbers with a grain of salt? I want to make sure I'm basing my decision on solid information.
Ravi Kapoor
As someone who just went through this process earlier this year, I can confirm what others are saying - don't wait until December! I applied in early November for a January 1st start date and it worked perfectly. My first payment arrived in February as expected. The key things that helped me: 1. Applied online (it was faster than trying to get an in-person appointment) 2. Clearly specified "January 2025" as my benefit start month on the application 3. Had all my documents ready (W-2s, birth certificate, etc.) One thing I learned: even though you'll be at FRA in December and the earnings test won't apply to you anyway, starting benefits in January vs December can still affect your annual benefit calculation if you have any complex work situations. But honestly, at FRA it's mostly a non-issue. My recommendation: apply by early November at the latest. That gives SSA plenty of time to process everything and you won't be stressed about potential delays. The peace of mind is worth it!
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Tasia Synder
•This is really helpful, thank you! I think I've been overthinking this whole thing. It sounds like the consensus is pretty clear - apply early November at the latest, specify January 2025 as the start date, and don't stress about the earnings test since I'll be at FRA anyway. I appreciate everyone sharing their real experiences, especially the cautionary tales about waiting too long. Better safe than sorry! I'll get my documents together and apply online in the next week or two.
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Lucas Bey
I'm in a very similar situation and really appreciate everyone's experiences here! I'm 65 and 8 months, planning to file for benefits to start January 1st. After reading all these responses, I'm definitely not going to wait until December - that seems like playing with fire based on what happened to others. One question I have: when you apply online and specify January 2025 as your start month, does the system automatically calculate that your first payment will be in February? Or do you need to specify that somewhere? I want to make sure I'm not accidentally requesting something that would cause delays. Also, for those who applied online successfully - did you get any confirmation about your requested start date, or do you just have to trust that they processed it correctly? I'm planning to apply next week after reading all this. Better to be 3 months early than 3 weeks late!
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