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Just to give you a concrete example with numbers to help with your planning: If your combined income is $65,000 (including half of her SS benefits of $9,000), then you'd be well into the range where 85% of her benefits would be taxable. With a $1,500 monthly benefit: - $1,500 × 12 = $18,000 annual SS benefit - 85% of $18,000 = $15,300 taxable amount - At a 12% federal tax bracket, that's roughly $1,836 in taxes on her benefits for the year - Monthly equivalent: about $153/month in taxes So if she chooses 10% withholding ($150/month), she'd receive $1,350 monthly and be very close to covering the tax liability on the benefits.

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This breakdown is incredibly helpful, thank you! Having the actual dollar amounts and percentages makes it so much clearer. Seems like 10% withholding would be about right for our situation. Really appreciate you taking the time to map this out.

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Don't forget that the $1500 benefit amount on the SSA website assumes you continue working until your FRA with the same income. If she's retiring completely at 62, the actual benefit might be a bit lower than what's estimated. Might be worth checking with SSA directly to get a more accurate figure before you finalize your budget.

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That's a really important point I hadn't considered. She's been working consistently for years but I didn't realize the estimate assumes continued work. Definitely something we need to verify before making final decisions. Thank you!

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Social Security Administration policy clearly states that while you are permitted to use a child's benefits for their food, shelter, clothing, medical care, and education, you must be able to account for how ALL funds were spent. The dedicated bank account recommendation is based on SSA's POMS section GN 00603.010, which outlines representative payee responsibilities. As a representative payee, you'll be required to complete an annual Representative Payee Report (Form SSA-623) documenting how benefits were used. While not technically required to have a separate account, it significantly simplifies your compliance obligations. If your daughter's benefit amount exceeds her direct expenses, you should also know that accumulated funds exceeding $2,000 may need to be placed in a dedicated savings account to avoid potential issues with the resource limit if she ever needs SSI benefits in the future (different from the SSDI child's benefits she's currently receiving).

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Thank you for this detailed explanation. I didn't know about the annual reporting requirement or the potential resource limit issue. I'll definitely keep this in mind as we manage her benefits.

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whats a FRA number? is that different from regular social security?

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FRA stands for Full Retirement Age - it's the amount you receive when claiming Social Security retirement benefits at your full retirement age (66-67 depending on birth year). The OP is likely referring to their retirement benefit amount at FRA, which is then used to calculate dependents' benefits (typically 50% for a spouse caring for a child under 16, and 50% for the child).

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i think u can just go to ur bank and do a wire transfer. thats what my cousin did when he had to return overpayment. but maybe withdrawal is different idk

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Withdrawal repayments cannot be handled by simple wire transfer. They require specific processing through designated payment channels with proper documentation. Overpayments are handled differently than voluntary withdrawals under Form SSA-521. The OP should wait for official instructions to ensure proper crediting of the repayment.

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Update: I finally received my repayment instructions today! For anyone who might face this situation in the future, it took exactly 17 days from when my benefits were suspended to receive the letter with repayment details. They gave me 30 days to return the money (which was slightly less than I calculated - $19,218 instead of $19,500) and provided a specific payment address and reference number. They included options for check, money order, or an electronic payment through Pay.gov. Thanks everyone for helping me through this stressful waiting period!

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Excellent! Glad to hear it worked out. Once you make the payment, be sure to keep confirmation for your records. Within about 60 days after repayment, you should receive formal confirmation that your withdrawal is complete, which you'll want to save for when you eventually reapply for benefits.

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Thanks for updating us! Always nice to hear when things get resolved.

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my cousin waited til 70 but then died at 72!!! sometimes i think waiting is a mistake... but i guess u already decided.

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This kind of comment isn't helpful. Everyone's situation is different, and waiting until 70 mathematically makes sense if you expect to live past around 82-83. Not to mention the survivor benefit protection it provides for spouses.

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make sure u bring up retroactive benefits in ur call!!!! SSA doesnt always tell u about this unless u ask. if u wait til 70 u can actually get up to 6 months of retroactive benefits if u want them

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This is incorrect information. While retroactive benefits are available for up to 6 months for those who file after Full Retirement Age, claiming retroactive benefits when filing at age 70 would actually reduce your monthly benefit amount. This is because taking retroactive benefits means you're essentially filing earlier than age 70, which means fewer delayed retirement credits. If the goal is to maximize the monthly benefit amount (which appears to be OP's intention), then requesting retroactive benefits would be counterproductive.

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Social Security recalculation nightmare - PIA amounts reduced without processing center review

I'm dealing with a complete mess trying to get my Social Security benefit calculated correctly. My PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) was initially shown at one amount, then got reduced when I filed over the phone. I was promised it would be recalculated, but that never happened. The worst part? I lost most of my 2024 COLA increase, and despite having higher earnings last year, my benefit amount didn't increase at all. When I checked my online account, it showed my application was both "evaluated" and "approved" ON THE SAME DAY! When I went to my local SSA office, the representative was shocked and told me my application was never sent to the processing center for proper calculation before approval - which she said was absolutely required. She advised filing for a non-medical reconsideration to force it through the proper channels. I filed the reconsideration about a month after my benefit award. When I checked back 6 weeks later, a different rep said their system showed it was at the processing center. However, my online account shows NOTHING about this reconsideration, even three months later. And now I can't even see my earnings statement online because it says I'm receiving benefits! I wish I could have delayed filing until this mess was sorted out, but I had already committed to retirement. Has anyone else dealt with a non-medical reconsideration for benefit calculation errors? Any idea how long this typically takes or what else I should be doing?

OMG the EXACT same thing happened to my sister!!! Her online account showed everything approved in one day too! She ended up having to get her congressman involved after 6 months of nothing happening with her reconsideration. Two weeks after the congressional inquiry she suddenly got a call from someone at SSA saying they found the "error". DONT WAIT - call your congressional rep NOW!

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That's a great suggestion I hadn't considered. I'm going to give it another month, and if I still don't see progress, I'll definitely contact my congressional representative. Thanks for sharing your sister's experience!

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Something critical to understand: there are strict time limits on retroactive adjustments for benefit calculation errors. Under Social Security regulations, if your reconsideration is successful, they can only pay you retroactively for 12 months from the date you filed the reconsideration. I'd recommend sending a certified letter to both your local office AND the processing center (ask your local office for the address) stating that you're inquiring about the status of your reconsideration filed on [exact date]. Reference your claim number and explicitly state that you're concerned about potential retroactive payment limitations if the review isn't completed promptly. This creates a paper trail showing you've been actively pursuing resolution, which can be important if you later need to argue for extended retroactive payments.

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I had no idea about this 12-month limitation! Thank you for this crucial information. I'll definitely send those certified letters this week. Do you think I should also mention the specific dollar amount difference between what I'm receiving and what I believe I should be receiving based on the original estimates?

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Yes, absolutely include the specific dollar amounts! Be as precise as possible - "My PIA was originally calculated as $X on [date] as shown on my Social Security Statement, but was reduced to $Y when benefits were approved without processing center review." Include copies (never originals) of any statements or letters showing the higher amount. The more specific you are, the harder it is for them to dismiss your claim.

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btw the COLA is rumored to be around 2.5% this year. not great but better than nothing!!

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That would add about $60 to my monthly amount. Not huge but definitely helps with inflation!

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One important clarification: The COLA being announced this week will be effective for payments received in January 2025. Since Social Security pays benefits in the month following the month for which they are due, your February 2025 payment (which is for January 2025) will indeed include the COLA increase. You should receive a notice called "Your New Benefit Amount" in December that will show: 1. Your current benefit amount 2. The new benefit amount after COLA 3. The date the new amount takes effect This is sent automatically to all beneficiaries - no need to request it.

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Wait I'm confused now. If benefits are paid the month AFTER they're due, and my first check is coming February 2025, does that mean it's actually for January 2025? And would include COLA?

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Did anyone mention how the payments work when she starts? She won't get a november payment in november, SS pays a month behind so her first check will come in DECEMBER for the november benefit. took me by surprise when i retired!!

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That's an excellent point about payment timing. Social Security benefits are indeed paid in the month following the month for which they are due. So her first payment (for November 2025) would arrive in December 2025. It's important to factor this into financial planning for that transition period.

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I think everyone is overthinking this lol. Your friend just needs to wait till she's fully retired age (November) and she'll be fine. All this talk about earnings limits is just confusing everyone. SSA doesn't care what you make before you start taking money from them!

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While you're right about the fundamental answer, understanding why the earnings limit doesn't apply in this case is actually quite important. Many people misunderstand this rule and either delay work unnecessarily or face unexpected benefit reductions. The details matter when it comes to optimizing Social Security benefits.

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UPDATE: I just spoke with an SSA supervisor who confirmed there IS a systematic delay in the pre-notification files they send to the Federal Reserve that banks use for early deposits. This is related to year-end processing and implementation of the 2025 COLA increases. The important points: 1. Actual payments are not affected and will post on your regular payment date 2. The early deposit feature many banks offer is temporarily disrupted 3. This should resolve itself by next month's payment cycle 4. If your payment doesn't post on your official payment date, THEN it's considered late Hope this helps ease some concerns.

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Thank you so much for this update! This makes perfect sense and explains why multiple people are experiencing the same issue across different banks. I'll just plan around the official Wednesday payment date until things normalize again.

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Just checked my account - my deposit just posted! It's Tuesday evening here. So it looks like they're starting to process them now, just a few days later than the usual early deposit. Hope everyone else sees theirs soon too!

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just got mine too! looks like they fixed whatever the problem was

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Just to add one more important point: Since your husband has been in a teaching position not covered by Social Security, make sure you both request your Social Security statements or check your mySocialSecurity accounts online. The estimates shown there won't automatically account for WEP or GPO reductions, so the actual benefits could be lower than what's displayed. It's worth considering a consultation with a financial advisor who specializes in retirement planning for public employees, as these provisions can be quite complex and dramatically affect your optimal claiming strategy.

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this!!! my dad got a nasty surprise when he retired from state job and his actual SS benefit was way lower than what his statements had been saying for years. nobody warned him about that WEP thing until it was too late

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Based on what you've described, your best strategy is likely to focus on your own benefit. Since it will be higher than your potential spousal benefit (50% of your husband's FRA amount), you'll want to consider whether to take your own benefit early at 62 (with a permanent reduction) or wait until your Full Retirement Age (67) or even age 70 (for maximum benefits). Each year you delay claiming from 62 to 70 increases your benefit by approximately 8%, which is a guaranteed return that's hard to beat elsewhere. But of course, that depends on your health, financial needs, and other retirement income sources. And as others mentioned, definitely account for any potential WEP/GPO impacts in your calculations.

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This makes sense - thank you for laying it out so clearly! I think I understand the rules better now. I was confused about the survivor vs. spousal benefits and what age applies to each. Sounds like my best bet is to just focus on maximizing my own benefit since it will be higher than any spousal benefit I could receive. I appreciate everyone's help!

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what about if you apply for ssdi instead of retirement? is it the same thing or different rules? asking for my sister

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SSDI has different rules. For disability benefits, the application date can be important because your

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