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my sister in law waited 2 extra years for higher benefits and then passed away suddenly. don't mean to be negative but nobody knows how long theyll live! sometimes bird in hand worth two in bush as they say

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I'm sorry about your sister-in-law. That's certainly a valid consideration and shows why these decisions are so personal. The financial math might suggest one thing, but personal circumstances, health, and family needs can absolutely point to a different choice.

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Sofia, I went through this exact decision two years ago when I was 65 and 8 months. Like you, I was torn between taking the reduced survivor benefit immediately versus waiting for my FRA. After reading all the great advice here, I'd add one more consideration: have you thought about doing a "what if" calculation for different scenarios? Here's what helped me decide - I calculated the total amount I'd receive over different time periods. If you take $2,160 now for 10 months, that's $21,600. Then you'd get $2,480 ongoing. Compare that to waiting and getting $2,480 from the start. The crossover point is around 5.5 years, meaning if you expect to live longer than that from when you start benefits, waiting pays off financially. Given that you're in good health with family longevity, plus the earnings test issue others mentioned with your $22K job, waiting those 10 months seems like the right call. You've already waited 3 years - what's 10 more months for a permanently higher benefit and no earnings restrictions?

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This is such a helpful way to think about it! I really appreciate you breaking down the crossover calculation - that 5.5 year timeframe makes it much clearer. You're absolutely right that I've already waited 3 years, so what's another 10 months in the bigger picture? Between the permanent reduction, the earnings test issues, and now seeing the actual math on the breakeven point, I think waiting is definitely the smarter choice. Thank you for sharing your experience - it's reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same decision process.

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly thorough discussion! I'm 60 and facing a similar decision in the next few years, and this thread has been like a masterclass in Social Security planning. What really strikes me is how the simple question about spousal income affecting earnings limits opened up so many other crucial considerations I never would have thought of - the taxation thresholds, Medicare IRMAA, Roth conversion opportunities, and coordinated claiming strategies. It's clear that Social Security decisions can't be made in isolation from your overall financial and tax planning. One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been mentioned yet - for those who have gone through this process, did you find it helpful to run scenarios with different economic assumptions? I'm thinking about things like potential COLA changes, tax rate changes, or even changes to Social Security itself. Given that we're talking about decisions that will affect income for potentially 20-30 years, I wonder if it's worth stress-testing the claiming strategy against different future scenarios. Also, has anyone used any specific online calculators or tools that they found particularly helpful for modeling these complex interactions between Social Security benefits, taxes, and other retirement income? The SSA website gives you the basic benefit amounts, but it sounds like the real optimization requires looking at the bigger picture. Thanks again for sharing your experiences - this community is an amazing resource!

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Great questions, Hunter! I'm also relatively new here but have been doing a lot of research on this topic. For calculators, I've found that the AARP Social Security Calculator and the FidSafe Social Security Optimizer do a good job of modeling different scenarios beyond just the basic benefit amounts. They factor in taxation and can show you break-even analyses under different assumptions. Regarding stress-testing with different economic scenarios - that's such a smart approach! I've been thinking about this too, especially with all the uncertainty around potential Social Security reforms and changing tax policies. One thing I've learned from reading other threads here is that while we can't predict the future perfectly, having a strategy that's robust across different scenarios is better than trying to optimize for one specific outcome. The longevity assumption seems particularly important - if you're planning for a 20-30 year retirement, even small differences in the claiming strategy can compound significantly over time. But as several people mentioned in this thread, having other income sources (like the husband's continued earnings) gives you more flexibility to make decisions based on optimization rather than immediate need. Have you looked into any fee-only financial planners who specialize in Social Security analysis? After reading all the strategic considerations discussed here, I'm starting to think the complexity might warrant professional guidance, especially for the tax coordination aspects.

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This has been such an educational thread! As someone who's 64 and just went through this exact decision process last month, I can confirm what others have shared - your husband's income absolutely will NOT affect your Social Security earnings test or benefit amount. The earnings limit only applies to YOUR own work income. However, I want to emphasize something that really caught me off guard: the tax impact is significant and immediate. With your husband making $85K, you'll definitely hit the threshold where 85% of your SS benefits become taxable. What I wish I had known earlier is that this doesn't just mean a bigger tax bill at year-end - you may need to start making quarterly estimated payments or have taxes withheld from your SS payments right from the start. I ended up using Form W-4V to have 22% withheld from my monthly SS payments, and it's been much easier than trying to calculate quarterly estimates. The IRS has a withholding calculator that can help you figure out the right percentage. One more thing - since you worked 35+ years and stopped last year, that zero earnings year might actually help your benefit calculation if it replaces an even lower earning year from early in your career. Check your detailed earnings record on ssa.gov to see how it impacts your calculation. The financial freedom of having that SS income start flowing, even with the tax implications, has been worth it for us. Good luck with your decision!

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Thank you so much for sharing your real experience, Jessica! The Form W-4V approach sounds like exactly what I need - much simpler than trying to figure out quarterly payments. I'm definitely going to look into that 22% withholding option. It's really helpful to hear from someone who just went through this process recently. The confirmation about the earnings test only applying to my own work income (not my husband's) is reassuring, and I appreciate the heads up about checking how last year's zero earnings might actually help my calculation. That's something I never would have thought to look for! The peace of mind that comes with having that steady income flow is probably worth dealing with the tax complications.

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What an incredibly helpful thread! I'm still a few years away from retirement myself, but I'm already taking notes for when my time comes. Reading through everyone's experiences really highlights how much the Social Security Administration could improve their communication around first payments. It's fascinating that virtually everyone here went through the exact same cycle: excitement about finally receiving benefits, panic when the amount was drastically different than expected, hours of frustration trying to get answers, and then relief when they discovered it was just normal proration. This seems like such an easy fix for SSA - a simple explanation with the first payment could prevent so much unnecessary anxiety. I'm definitely going to share this thread with my parents as they approach retirement age. Having this real-world knowledge ahead of time will be invaluable in setting proper expectations. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - this kind of peer support and education is exactly what makes online communities so valuable!

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This thread has been such an eye-opener for me too! As someone who's completely new to understanding how Social Security works, I had no idea that first payments could be so dramatically different from the stated benefit amount. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been like getting a crash course in what actually happens versus what people expect. What really stands out to me is how universal this experience seems to be - almost everyone here went through that same emotional rollercoaster of confusion and panic, only to discover it's completely normal. It really makes you wonder why SSA hasn't addressed this communication gap when it clearly affects so many people. I'm definitely saving this discussion for future reference. When my family members start approaching retirement age, I'll be able to prepare them for this potential surprise. It's amazing how much practical knowledge gets shared in communities like this that you just can't find in official government resources. Thank you to everyone who took the time to share their experiences!

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As someone who's completely new to Social Security, this entire thread has been incredibly educational! I had no idea that first payments could be so different from your stated benefit amount, and reading through everyone's experiences really shows how common this issue is. What strikes me most is that virtually every person here went through the exact same emotional journey - excitement about their first payment, panic when it was much lower than expected, frustration trying to get answers from SSA, and then relief when they discovered it was just normal proration based on their benefit start date. It's really eye-opening to learn about things like partial month payments, Medicare deductions, and how your birthday/entitlement date affects that first check. This is exactly the kind of real-world knowledge that helps people understand what to actually expect rather than being caught off guard. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - this thread is going to be so helpful for people like me who are still learning about how the Social Security system actually works in practice!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I went through this exact same situation when my father passed away six months ago, and I can tell you that you're absolutely right to be confused - that SSA representative gave you completely incorrect information. You do NOT need to become a representative payee! That designation is only for people who cannot manage their own finances due to mental incapacity or severe cognitive issues. Since your mom is perfectly capable of handling her money, what you actually need is Form SSA-1696 (Appointment of Representative), which simply allows you to communicate with SSA on her behalf without taking control of her finances. Regarding that payment that showed up - that's definitely your father's final Social Security payment since SSA pays one month behind. Whatever you do, don't let your mom touch that money! SSA will automatically reclaim it through their bank recovery process within 30-60 days. Here's what I learned the hard way: Stop waiting for that appointment letter and call SSA back immediately. When I waited three weeks for mine, it never came. Use these exact words: "I need to schedule an appointment for SURVIVOR BENEFITS application and I want to complete Form SSA-1696 to become my mother's APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVE." If the first rep doesn't understand, ask for a supervisor right away. Also, make sure to specifically ask about retroactive survivor benefits dating back to February (the month after your dad passed). They won't automatically offer this, but she's absolutely entitled to it. The system is frustrating when you're grieving, but once you get the right person who knows what they're doing, the process moves much smoother. You've got this!

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Thank you so much, Mateo! Your advice is incredibly helpful and it's both reassuring and frustrating to hear that so many people have dealt with the exact same misinformation from SSA reps. It really seems like there's a training problem where frontline representatives don't understand the difference between representative payee and appointed representative. I'm definitely calling tomorrow morning and will use those exact words you mentioned. At this point I'm prepared to ask for a supervisor immediately if the first person I talk to seems confused or tries to push the representative payee thing again. The retroactive benefits information is so crucial - it's really concerning that SSA doesn't automatically mention benefits that people are entitled to. I'll make sure to specifically request survivor benefits going back to February when we get that appointment scheduled. I'm done waiting for that phantom appointment letter. Time to be more assertive and get mom the help she needs and deserves. Thank you for sharing your experience and for the encouragement - it really helps to know that others have successfully gotten through this process even when it felt impossible at first!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I just went through this exact situation when my husband passed away eight months ago, and I completely understand your frustration. That SSA rep definitely gave you wrong information - you absolutely do NOT need to become a representative payee just to speak on your mom's behalf! What you actually need is Form SSA-1696 (Appointed Representative), which just allows you to communicate with SSA for her without taking control of her finances. Representative payee is only for people who truly cannot manage their own money due to cognitive issues. About that payment - yes, that's your dad's final Social Security payment since they pay a month behind. Don't let your mom spend it! SSA will automatically reclaim it within 30-60 days through the bank. Stop waiting for that appointment letter - mine never came either. Call back and use these exact words: "I need to schedule an appointment for WIDOW'S INSURANCE BENEFITS and complete Form SSA-1696 to become an APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVE." If they seem confused, ask for a supervisor immediately. One thing I wish someone had told me - make sure to specifically ask about retroactive survivor benefits going back to February (the month after your dad died). SSA won't automatically mention this but she's entitled to it. Bring everything to the appointment: death certificate, marriage certificate, both SS cards, both IDs, and tax returns. Your mom needs to be there in person. This process is awful when you're grieving, but once you get the right person, it moves much faster. You've got this!

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I'm in a very similar situation - turned 67 last year, divorced after 14 years of marriage, never remarried, and still working. I successfully filed for ex-spouse benefits about 6 months ago and it's been great! Just wanted to share a few things from my experience: The appointment itself was pretty straightforward once I got to someone who knew about restricted applications. It took about an hour total and they processed everything that same day. My first payment came about 6 weeks later. One thing nobody mentioned - you might want to ask about having taxes withheld from your Social Security payments if you're still working full-time. Since you'll have both work income and Social Security income, you could end up owing taxes at the end of the year if you don't plan for it. I had them withhold 10% federal taxes from my monthly payments and it's worked out perfectly. Also, the SSA sends annual statements showing your projected benefit at age 70, so you can keep track of how much your own benefit is growing each year. It's really satisfying to see those delayed retirement credits adding up! You're making a smart financial move - don't let anyone tell you otherwise. This is exactly what these benefits are designed for.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you for sharing your real experience! The tax withholding tip is brilliant - I hadn't even thought about that aspect. Since I'm still earning a good salary, having both income streams will definitely put me in a higher tax bracket. I'll make sure to ask about the 10% federal withholding when I go to my appointment. It's also great to know that the whole process can be completed in one visit. I was worried I'd be making multiple trips to the SSA office. And getting those annual statements to track my growing benefit at 70 sounds really motivating - like watching my retirement account grow! I really appreciate you taking the time to share these practical details. It makes me feel much more confident about moving forward with this strategy.

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Just want to add one more thing that might help - if you're planning to continue working until 70, make sure you're maximizing your highest 35 years of earnings for your own Social Security calculation. Since you mentioned your income varied during your marriage and you've been working consistently since, these final working years at higher earnings could really boost your benefit calculation. The SSA uses your highest 35 years of inflation-adjusted earnings to calculate your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). So even though you're collecting ex-spouse benefits now, continuing to work and earn good money will keep increasing your own future benefit through both the delayed retirement credits AND potentially replacing lower earning years in your calculation. It's like a double win - you get the ex-spouse benefit now while also maximizing your own benefit for later. I wish I had understood this strategy when I was your age!

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