How to calculate ex-spouse Social Security benefits without waiting 2+ hours on SSA phone line?
I'm trying to figure out what my ex-spouse benefit top-up might be when I retire next year. My ex made about double what I did throughout our careers (we were married 22 years before divorcing in 2011). I've tried getting info from the Social Security website but can't find any calculator that shows ex-spouse benefits. When I called SSA, the estimated wait time was over 120 minutes! I have his SSN from old tax returns, but that doesn't help me online. I'm 63 now and trying to decide if I should wait until my own FRA or file earlier. How can I estimate what I'd get from the ex-spouse benefit without spending all day on hold? Has anyone successfully gotten this info without the marathon phone wait?
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Amy Fleming
You can't see ex-spouse benefit estimates online - it's one of the few things MySocialSecurity doesn't show. The 50% ex-spouse benefit only applies if you wait until your FRA (66+10mo if you're 63 now). If you take it early, it's reduced. Remember you need to be divorced for at least 2 years, which you are. Also, if your own retirement benefit would be higher than 50% of his, you'll just get your own amount.
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Juan Moreno
•Thanks, that helps! Do you know if the 50% is based on his FRA benefit or what he's actually receiving? He's 65 and I'm pretty sure he's already claimed early.
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Alice Pierce
my cousin went thru same thing last yr. she tried for 3 days to get thru to ssa!! Then she found this service Claimyr that got her a callback from SSA in like 20 mins! saved her hours of waiting. vid of how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU website is claimyr.com - not free but worth it to save a whole day on hold
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Esteban Tate
•I used that too when I was trying to fix my Medicare enrollment! Definitely saved me from losing my mind after being on hold for 2 hours and then getting disconnected 🤬
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Ivanna St. Pierre
THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW YOUR BENEFITS!!! This is exactly how SSA operates - hide the info, make you wait HOURS, hoping you'll give up. I spent 4 months trying to get spousal benefit info and got different answers every time. One rep told me I couldn't claim on my ex because he hadn't filed yet - TOTALLY WRONG! Another said I needed his permission - ALSO WRONG! Good luck getting accurate info even if you do wait those 2 hours.
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Elin Robinson
•While the wait times are frustrating, the rules about ex-spouse benefits are actually well-established. You don't need permission from your ex, and if you've been divorced for at least 2 years, you can claim even if your ex hasn't filed yet. The misinformation you received is unfortunate but not reflective of official SSA policy.
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Atticus Domingo
i think theres a form you can fill out for this? my sister did something like that for her divorce benefits. cant remember what its called tho sorry
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Amy Fleming
•You're probably thinking of the SSA-2 (Application for Wife's or Husband's Insurance Benefits). But that's for applying, not for getting an estimate beforehand. There's no form to get an estimate for ex-spouse benefits - it requires speaking with a representative who can access both earnings records.
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Elin Robinson
Social Security expert here. You're asking about the ex-spouse benefit calculation, which is a common question. Here's how it works: 1. If you claim at your Full Retirement Age (FRA), you can receive 50% of your ex-spouse's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is their benefit at their FRA. 2. If you claim before your FRA, your benefit is reduced - approximately 0.69% per month before FRA. 3. Important: The 50% is based on your ex's FRA amount even if he claimed early. His decision to take benefits early doesn't reduce your spousal benefit. 4. SSA will automatically give you the higher of your own benefit or the ex-spouse benefit. The only way to get an accurate estimate is to speak with SSA. In-person appointments at local offices can often have shorter wait times than the phone.
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Juan Moreno
•This is so helpful, thank you! One more question - does the WEP affect ex-spouse benefits? I worked for a state government for 12 years where I didn't pay into Social Security.
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Beth Ford
I just went through this last month!!!! Spent HOURS trying different ways to get this info. Ended up having to go to my local office in person with an appointment. Even then, the rep seemed confused at first about how to calculate it. Make sure whoever helps you understands that: 1) Ex-spouse benefits are calculated differently than current spouse benefits sometimes 2) You need to know both your PIA and your ex's PIA to compare 3) If you have any government pension they need to calculate GPO Good luck! The system makes it way harder than it should be!
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Atticus Domingo
•whats a PIA? and GPO? so many abbreviations with ss stuff lol
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Beth Ford
•Sorry! PIA = Primary Insurance Amount (your base benefit at full retirement age). GPO = Government Pension Offset (reduces spouse benefits if you get a pension from work where you didn't pay Social Security taxes). SS has like a million confusing acronyms!
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Esteban Tate
Wait they can tell you this over the phone? My friend said she had to file the actual application before they would tell her the amount. That seems ridiculous if true.
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Elin Robinson
•Your friend was given incorrect information. SSA representatives can provide benefit estimates over the phone without filing an application. However, they need to verify your identity and have access to both earnings records to calculate an ex-spouse benefit estimate. The estimate isn't binding but gives you a good approximation for planning purposes.
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Juan Moreno
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I'm going to try making an in-person appointment at my local office as suggested. If that doesn't work or the wait is too long, I might try that Claimyr service someone mentioned. It's frustrating that there's no way to see this information online when everything else seems to be available in my MySocialSecurity account. I'll update once I get some answers!
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Alice Pierce
•good luck! just remember whatever they tell you, write it ALL down with the persons name who helped you. my aunt got 3 different answers from 3 different people at ssa!
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