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I just started receiving my SS retirement benefits last month ($2,950/month) and I'm confused about federal taxes. I didn't elect to have any taxes withheld initially, but now I'm wondering if that was a mistake. What exactly determines whether your Social Security gets taxed? Is it just your overall income, or are there other factors? Also, if I decide I want taxes withheld now, how do I set that up? I've heard some people say 85% of benefits can be taxable while others pay nothing. I don't want a nasty surprise next April! Thanks for any help understanding this.
I started collecting my Social Security retirement benefits when I turned 65 last fall. I'm thinking about picking up a part-time job at my grandson's garden center to keep busy (and help with rising expenses!). Someone at church mentioned there's a limit to how much I can earn before they reduce my benefits. Is that true? How much can I earn without getting penalized? Would I have to pay it back or do they just reduce future payments? Any info appreciated.
Another thing - make SURE you tell your employer that you're collecting Social Security! I didn't, and they withheld Social Security taxes from my paychecks even though I was already collecting benefits. You still pay Medicare taxes but the SS tax situation is different when you're collecting benefits.
I need to clarify this point. You still pay Social Security taxes on your earnings even if you're collecting benefits. These taxes are mandatory regardless of your benefit status. What happens is that these additional earnings might increase your benefit amount slightly through the annual recalculation, especially if these new earnings are higher than some used in your original calculation.
Thanks everyone for all the helpful information! From what I understand: 1) Yes, there's a $22,750 limit for 2025 since I'm under my FRA, 2) If I earn over that, they'll reduce benefits $1 for every $2 over, 3) They'll adjust this after the year ends, not immediately, 4) The withholdings aren't permanently lost - they'll recalculate when I reach FRA, and 5) Investment income doesn't count toward the limit. I think I'll go ahead with the part-time job and not worry too much about the limit. The extra income will help, even with a slight benefit reduction.
That's a perfect summary of the situation. One additional tip: You can report your estimated earnings to Social Security in advance, which allows them to withhold the appropriate amount throughout the year rather than creating an overpayment that needs to be repaid later. You can do this through your my Social Security account online or by contacting them directly.
@Connor Murphy That sounds like a great plan! Working at your grandson s'garden center will be a nice way to stay active too. Just make sure to keep good records of your earnings throughout the year so you can track where you stand relative to the limit. And don t'forget - even if you do go over, you re'still coming out ahead financially since you keep $1 for every $2 earned above the threshold. Good luck with the new job!
I'm trying to build a personalized Excel spreadsheet to model my Social Security benefits more accurately than the SSA calculator allows. Specifically, I want to see what would happen if I stop working for about 3 years and then return to the workforce after my Full Retirement Age (67), but delay benefits until 70. The SSA website gives estimates, but doesn't let me model these specific scenarios. I have my earnings history downloaded, but I'm stuck on how to properly index my past earnings. Does anyone know the formula or process for calculating the wage-indexed earnings from actual earnings? I understand there's some inflation adjustment and then averaging of the top 35 years, but I can't figure out exactly how SSA translates my actual historical earnings into indexed earnings. I'm especially confused about how they handle years with no income when calculating the AIME (Average Indexed Monthly Earnings). Any Excel wizards out there who've cracked this code?
This thread is so timely for me! I'm building almost the exact same spreadsheet. One thing I've discovered in my research: make sure you're using the correct Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) formula. The current formula has been in place since 1979, but they've used different formulas in the past. Also, don't forget the earnings limit if you plan to claim before your FRA but continue working. In 2025, you lose $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above $22,750 (if you're under FRA for the full year). After FRA, there's no earnings limit, which makes your strategy of working between FRA and 70 particularly smart!
Thanks for the tip about the earnings limit. I'm actually planning to stop working before FRA, take a few years off, then return to work after FRA while delaying benefits to 70. So the earnings limit shouldn't affect me. Have you figured out a good way to model COLA increases in your spreadsheet? I'm wondering if I should just apply an estimated annual percentage to the calculated benefit amount.
For COLA, I created a variable cell where I can input different assumptions. Currently using 2.5% as my baseline, but I can easily change it to see different scenarios. I apply it to the calculated benefit starting from age 62 (when the PIA is first determined) through the projection period. My spreadsheet has separate columns showing the benefit amount each year with and without COLA so I can see the impact. Over a 20-30 year retirement, even small COLA differences compound significantly!
This is such a valuable discussion! I'm in a similar boat trying to model my SS benefits. One thing I'd add for anyone building these spreadsheets - don't forget about the WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) if you have a pension from work where you didn't pay Social Security taxes. It can significantly reduce your benefit calculation. Also, I found it helpful to build in a "what-if" section where I can quickly test different retirement ages and earnings scenarios. The key insight from this thread is that working after FRA while delaying benefits is actually a double win - you get higher earnings in your top 35 years AND the 8% delayed retirement credits. @Alice Coleman - if you get your spreadsheet working, would you be willing to share a template version? I'd be happy to do the same once I get mine finished. It seems like there's real demand for a more flexible tool than what SSA provides.
I finally had my disability hearing with an Administrative Law Judge back in March (after waiting 15 months just to get the hearing scheduled). It's now been almost 2 months since the hearing, and I still haven't received any decision. My lawyer says this is "normal" but I'm getting really anxious. My savings are almost gone, and I can't keep borrowing from family.Does anyone know how long Social Security typically takes to issue a decision after an ALJ hearing? Is there any way to check the status besides calling the hearing office? When I try calling, I just get a recording saying they're experiencing high call volume. My online account just shows my application is still pending.I thought the judge seemed sympathetic to my case (spinal fusion complications + fibromyalgia), but now I'm worried the delay means he's going to deny me. Any insights from people who've been through this?
Thanks for sharing that - it helps to know there's really no pattern to it. The uncertainty is just so hard to deal with.
I'm in a similar boat - had my hearing 10 weeks ago and still waiting. The anxiety is killing me! What's helped me cope is setting up a routine where I only check my online account twice a week (Mondays and Fridays) instead of obsessively checking daily. I also started keeping a journal of all my symptoms and limitations while waiting, just in case I need it for an appeal. The financial stress is real though - I've had to apply for food assistance and reached out to local churches for help with utilities. Hang in there, we're all in this together!
I'm about to turn 69 in mid-December and trying to time my Social Security application correctly. I've been delaying to build up those Delayed Retirement Credits (DRCs), but don't want to wait until 70. If I want to start collecting at 69 with all my accumulated DRCs, should I apply now in October for benefits to start in January so I get my first full payment in February? I'm worried about the timing since I know there's usually a month lag between when benefits start and when you actually receive the first payment. I just want to make sure I'm not leaving any money on the table or messing up the start date. Has anyone dealt with this specific timing situation recently?
my friend just did this and she said make sure u know exactly how much ur supposed to get because they made a mistake on her amount and she had to fight with them for months to fix it. print out ur earning record from the website before u apply that helped her prove they calculated wrong
This is excellent advice. Before applying, create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov if you haven't already and review your earnings record. If there are any errors, it's much easier to correct them before you apply. You can also use the benefit calculator in your account to estimate your benefit amount, which gives you a reference point to check against the amount you're awarded.
Great advice from everyone here! I went through this same situation two years ago and want to add a few practical tips: 1. Create your my Social Security account first if you haven't already - you'll need it for the online application and it's good to verify your earnings record beforehand 2. When you get to the benefit start date screen, double-check it shows December 2025 before proceeding 3. Print or screenshot your confirmation page after submitting - it shows your selected start date and application details 4. You should receive a receipt notice within a few weeks confirming they received your application The timing you described (applying in October for December benefits) is exactly right. And yes, Social Security considers you 69 for the entire month of December regardless of your specific birth date, so you'll get full credit for all your DRCs. One last thing - if you have any direct deposit changes to make, do those early in the process. It can sometimes take a billing cycle or two to get that straightened out.
StarSurfer
One thing to keep in mind is that the tax withholding percentages on Form W-4V are applied to your gross Social Security benefit, not just the taxable portion. So if you choose 10% withholding on your $2,950 monthly benefit, they'll withhold $295 each month regardless of whether all of your SS is actually taxable. This is important because it means you might end up over-withholding and getting a refund, especially if you're right at the income threshold. The IRS estimator tool mentioned earlier will help you figure out what percentage makes sense for your specific situation. Also, remember that withholding changes typically take effect 1-2 months after SSA processes your W-4V, so plan accordingly if you're trying to adjust for the current tax year.
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Another resource that might be helpful is the Social Security Administration's online "my Social Security" account at ssa.gov. Once you create an account (if you haven't already), you can view your benefit statements, manage your direct deposit information, and even submit some forms electronically including the W-4V. I found this particularly useful because you can track the status of your withholding request and see when changes take effect. Plus, if you ever need to adjust your withholding percentage later, you can do it online without having to mail another form or try to get through on the phone. The online account also shows your exact monthly benefit amount after any deductions (like Medicare premiums if/when you enroll), which makes it easier to calculate what your actual withholding amount will be based on the percentage you choose. One more tip: consider making your withholding decision before the end of this calendar year if possible, since any changes typically take 1-2 months to process. That way you'll have consistent withholding for most of next year and can better plan for your 2025 tax situation.
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