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Thank you all for the helpful information! After reading everyone's responses, I think I'll wait until my FRA to file for benefits since my own retirement amount will be higher than the spousal benefit anyway. I'll try using that Claimyr service to actually speak with SSA and confirm all this information. It's frustrating that this strategy is no longer available to people my age, but at least now I understand the rules better.
Just wanted to add another perspective on this - I went through the same decision process last year when I turned 64. What helped me was creating a spreadsheet comparing the total lifetime benefits under different scenarios (filing at 65, 66, or waiting until FRA). Even though waiting feels painful when you could be getting some money now, the math usually works out better if you live into your 80s or beyond, especially for women who tend to have longer lifespans. Also, don't forget that your benefit will continue to grow with cost-of-living adjustments even while you wait, so you're not just missing out on payments - you're building a higher base for the rest of your life. The emotional part is hard though - it feels like leaving money on the table!
This is really smart advice about doing the math! I hadn't thought about creating a spreadsheet to compare the scenarios. You're absolutely right about the emotional aspect too - it does feel like leaving money on the table even when logically you know waiting is better. The point about cost-of-living adjustments is something I completely overlooked. Do you happen to remember what assumptions you used for life expectancy in your calculations? I'm trying to decide if I should plan for living into my 80s or 90s when doing this analysis.
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I went through this exact decision two years ago and ended up waiting until my FRA at 67. Here's what helped me decide: I calculated the "break-even" point - how long I'd need to live for the higher monthly payments to make up for the two years of missed benefits. For my situation, it was around age 79. Since I'm in good health and women typically live longer, waiting made sense. Another factor was that my part-time work income would have made a portion of my early benefits taxable anyway. I'd definitely recommend getting personalized calculations from SSA rather than relying on online estimates - your specific earnings history makes a huge difference in these scenarios.
That's really helpful to hear from someone who went through the same decision! The break-even analysis sounds like a smart approach. Can I ask - when you calculated that 79 break-even point, did you factor in the spousal benefits too, or was that just based on your own retirement benefit? I'm wondering if having a spouse who will likely delay filing until 70 changes that calculation significantly.
As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly informative discussion! I'm in a very similar situation - my spouse is planning to delay until 70 and I've been confused about how this affects my potential spousal benefits. The consistent message from multiple people who have actually experienced this is really reassuring, even if the news about spousal benefits being based on FRA amounts rather than age 70 amounts is disappointing. At least now I can plan with accurate information instead of hoping for the higher amount. What really stands out to me is how this thread demonstrates that Social Security planning isn't just about one decision in isolation. The connections between spousal benefits, survivor benefits, Medicare enrollment timing, and your own benefit optimization create a complex web that really benefits from careful analysis. I'm particularly grateful for the practical resources mentioned - the SSA online account, local workshops, and the suggestion to create comparison spreadsheets. Sometimes the hardest part is just knowing where to start with all these variables. One question for those who have been through this: did anyone find it helpful to run scenarios for different life expectancy assumptions? Given that women typically live longer than men, I'm wondering if that should factor into how we weigh the survivor benefit protection versus current income optimization. Thanks again for creating such a supportive space to work through these complicated but crucial decisions!
Welcome to the community! Your question about life expectancy assumptions is really thoughtful and something I wish I had considered more carefully when I was going through this decision process. You're absolutely right that women's longer life expectancy should factor into the analysis. When my financial advisor helped me model different scenarios, we looked at actuarial tables and found that the "break-even" point for delayed claiming strategies changes significantly when you factor in gender-specific life expectancy data. For the survivor benefit protection specifically, if there's a reasonable chance you could be widowed for 10-15+ years, the difference between receiving survivor benefits based on your husband's FRA amount versus his age 70 amount becomes enormous over that timespan. We're talking about potentially tens of thousands of dollars in total lifetime benefits. What really helped me was creating scenarios assuming I live to 85, 90, and 95, and seeing how the total lifetime benefits compared under each claiming strategy. It made the "insurance" value of maximizing survivor benefits much more concrete than just looking at monthly payment differences. I'd definitely recommend including longevity assumptions in your spreadsheet analysis that others mentioned. It might tip the scales toward strategies that prioritize long-term financial security over immediate income optimization.
As a new member of this community, I wanted to jump into this discussion because I'm facing almost the exact same situation! My husband is 67 and planning to delay until 70, and I'm 62 trying to figure out my optimal strategy. This thread has been absolutely invaluable - the consistent confirmation from multiple people who have actually gone through this process that spousal benefits are based on FRA amounts (not age 70 amounts) finally gives me the definitive answer I've been searching for. While it's disappointing that I won't get 50% of his enhanced benefit, at least I can now plan with certainty. What's been most eye-opening is how this discussion has expanded beyond just the spousal benefit calculation to cover all the interconnected decisions - Medicare timing, survivor benefit strategies, and the comparison between spousal benefits versus optimizing my own benefits with delayed retirement credits. I'm definitely going to follow the advice about getting my actual Social Security statement online and creating a detailed comparison spreadsheet. The suggestion about factoring in life expectancy assumptions really resonates with me too - as several people pointed out, the survivor benefit protection could be worth significantly more over a 15-20 year widowhood than the monthly difference during our joint lifetimes. Thank you all for creating such a supportive environment where people can share real experiences and practical advice. This has been more helpful than months of trying to navigate the SSA website and phone system on my own!
Welcome to the community! I'm also new here and have been following this incredibly informative discussion. It's so reassuring to see how many people are in similar situations and how generous everyone has been with sharing their real-world experiences. Like you, I was initially hoping that spousal benefits would be based on the higher age 70 amount, but the consistent feedback from multiple community members who have actually been through this process has made it clear that it's based on the FRA amount only. It's disappointing, but as you said, at least we can plan with accurate information now. What I found most valuable about this thread is how it's shown me that this isn't just about maximizing one specific benefit - it's about creating a comprehensive strategy that considers all the interconnected pieces. The Medicare timing consideration that Chris mentioned, the survivor benefit protection strategy that Carmen and others highlighted, and the importance of comparing your own delayed retirement credits against spousal benefits have all been eye-opening. I'm definitely planning to create that online SSA account and build the comparison spreadsheet that several people recommended. The idea of modeling different life expectancy scenarios that Ethan mentioned seems particularly important given the statistics about women's longevity. Thanks for joining the conversation - it's helpful to know there are others working through these same complex decisions! This community has been such a valuable resource for understanding options I didn't even know existed.
I'm in a similar situation and have been researching this extensively. One thing I discovered that might help: you can actually get a rough estimate of your ex-spouse benefit by using the SSA's online benefit calculator if you know your ex's work history. It's not perfect, but it can give you a ballpark figure to compare against your own benefit estimate from your my Social Security account. Also, I found that calling right at 8 AM on weekdays (when they open) or sometimes around lunchtime (12-1 PM) tends to have shorter hold times. Avoid Mondays and the first few days after holidays if possible. One more tip: if your local SSA office offers "express interviews" for simple questions, that might be faster than a full appointment. Some offices do these on certain days for people who just need benefit estimates rather than filing applications. Worth calling to ask!
This is really helpful information! I didn't know about the express interviews option - that sounds perfect for my situation since I just need the benefit estimates, not to file yet. Do you happen to know if most offices offer these or is it only certain locations? Also, when you mention using the online calculator for ex-spouse benefits, where exactly did you find that? I've looked around the SSA website but haven't seen a specific calculator for divorced spouse benefits.
I went through this exact situation 6 months ago at age 67! Here's what I learned the hard way: The online application absolutely will NOT show you both amounts - it's designed to just process your application, not help you compare options. I made the mistake of starting online first and got frustrated when I couldn't see the comparison. What finally worked: I called the 800 number at exactly 8:00 AM on a Tuesday (as others suggested) and got through in about 20 minutes. The rep was able to pull up both my own benefit amount AND my divorced spouse benefit from my ex-husband's record immediately - no waiting for calculations. Key things to have ready when you call: - Your ex's full name and date of birth - Your marriage date and divorce date - Your own SSN (obviously) One surprise: My ex also filed early at 62, but like others mentioned, this didn't hurt my potential divorced spouse benefit at all. It's based on his full retirement age amount, not what he's actually receiving. In my case, my own benefit was slightly higher, so that's what I went with. But I'm so glad I checked both because it could have easily gone the other way. Don't skip this step - the difference could be significant over your lifetime! The whole phone call took about 45 minutes total, and I walked away with exact dollar amounts for both options. Much better than guessing or starting an application blindly.
Sean Murphy
I'm dealing with a similar decision at 64 and wanted to add something that helped clarify things for me - the SSA's online benefit calculators can be a bit misleading if you don't understand what they're showing you. When I first looked at them, I thought my early filing would definitely hurt my spouse's benefits, but that was because I was confusing the different types of benefits. What really helped me was calling SSA and specifically asking them to walk me through the difference between my "Primary Insurance Amount" (PIA) and my "actual benefit amount if I claim early." They explained that my wife's spousal benefit calculation will ALWAYS be based on my PIA (what I'd get at full retirement age), not what I actually receive if I file early. The survivor benefit issue others mentioned is real though - that one IS based on what I'm actually receiving when I die, so there's definitely a trade-off to consider there. One more thing - if you're thinking about claiming early, make sure you understand the earnings test if you're still working. I almost made a costly mistake there by not realizing how much of my benefits would be withheld due to my part-time income.
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Dylan Evans
•This is really helpful - thank you for sharing your experience with actually calling SSA! I think I've been making this more complicated than it needs to be by overthinking the calculators. Your point about the earnings test is something I completely overlooked - I'm planning to do some consulting work after I retire, so I definitely need to factor that in. Did you find the SSA representatives pretty knowledgeable when you called, or did you have to call multiple times to get consistent information? I keep hearing mixed things about the quality of phone support, and I want to make sure I'm getting accurate info before making this decision. Also, when you mentioned the survivor benefit trade-off, did you and your spouse talk through scenarios for how that factored into your final decision? I'm trying to figure out how much weight to give that consideration versus our more immediate financial needs.
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Harold Oh
I'm a bit late to this discussion but wanted to add my perspective as someone who recently went through the Social Security claiming decision with my spouse. After reading through all the responses here, I think there's a lot of good information, but I wanted to emphasize one thing that really helped us make our decision. We ended up meeting with a certified financial planner who specializes in Social Security optimization (found one through the National Association of Personal Financial Advisors), and it was worth every penny. While the basic rules about PIA vs. actual benefits are pretty clear once you understand them, the real value was in modeling different scenarios based on our specific situation - health history, other retirement assets, expected longevity, etc. What surprised me most was how much the "sequence of returns risk" factored into our decision. If you're relying on investment withdrawals to bridge the gap between early retirement and Social Security, market timing can have a huge impact on your overall financial picture. Sometimes taking Social Security early - even if it's not "optimal" from a pure benefit maximization standpoint - can provide valuable protection against market volatility in those crucial early retirement years. Also, for what it's worth, we found the SSA representatives to be much more helpful when we came prepared with specific questions rather than asking general "what should I do" questions. They're great at explaining the rules but can't really advise on strategy, which makes sense given their role.
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Nina Fitzgerald
•This is exactly the kind of comprehensive perspective I was hoping to find! The point about sequence of returns risk is something I hadn't fully considered - you're absolutely right that having guaranteed Social Security income early in retirement could provide valuable protection against market downturns affecting our other assets. I'm really intrigued by your experience with the certified financial planner. Can you share roughly what that consultation cost and how many sessions it took to work through the analysis? I'm trying to weigh whether the professional fee would be worth it given our situation, or if I should try to muddle through with the free resources first. The tip about coming to SSA with specific questions rather than general strategy requests is really practical advice. I think I've been approaching this backwards - trying to get them to help me decide rather than just clarifying the rules so I can make my own informed decision. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience with this process!
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