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my aunt got more money switching to survivor benefits but everyone's situation is different

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Thank you everyone for your helpful responses. I'm going to try to get an appointment specifically about widow benefits, and I'll look into that phone service if I can't get through on the regular line. It helps knowing I still have time before April to make a decision about withdrawal. I'll update once I know more!

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That's a good plan. Just make sure when you speak with them to specifically ask about the financial implications of each option. Get actual dollar amounts for: 1) keeping your retirement claim as is and adding survivor benefits if eligible, 2) withdrawing retirement and taking only survivor benefits now, or 3) any restricted application options available to you as a widow. Write everything down!

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dont forget taxes!!! might change her tax situation too if they get married vs just living together

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Great point about taxes - I hadn't even thought about that angle. This is getting complicated fast!

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To summarize what everyone has said: 1. Yes, remarriage will terminate her ex-spousal benefits 2. She is legally required to report the marriage to SSA 3. Her benefit would revert to her own retirement amount 4. After marriage, she may be eligible for spousal benefits on her new husband's record 5. If she doesn't report the marriage and SSA discovers it later, she'll face overpayment recovery 6. Some couples choose not to legally marry to preserve benefits This is ultimately a personal decision balancing financial and emotional factors. Whatever she decides, make sure she understands all implications and reports any changes appropriately to avoid future complications.

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Thank you for this clear summary. I'm going to discuss all these options with Mom this weekend. I appreciate everyone's helpful advice - this has given us a lot to consider before she makes any decisions.

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One more thing worth mentioning - even though there's no earnings limit after FRA, remember that up to 85% of your Social Security benefits may be subject to income tax depending on your combined income. This isn't the same as the earnings test (which won't apply to you), but it's something to be aware of for tax planning purposes if you'll be earning $85,000 plus Social Security.

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. I'll need to talk to my tax advisor about how to manage this. Do you know if there are strategies to minimize how much of my SS benefits will be taxed when I have other income?

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Yes, there are several strategies. Contributing to tax-advantaged accounts like traditional 401(k)s to lower your taxable income, timing Roth conversions carefully, and planning investment income can all help. A good tax advisor can create a personalized strategy based on your complete financial picture.

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just wondering why r u waiting till 70? i started at 67 and im happy i did. getting that money now to enjoy while im still active enough to travel

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This is actually a common dilemma people face. Mathematically, if you live past your early 80s, waiting until 70 provides more lifetime income. But as you point out, getting benefits earlier allows you to enjoy the money during potentially more active years. It's a personal decision based on health, family longevity, financial needs, and retirement plans.

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My grandma got survivors benefits last year but she was so confused because they kept asking her about her own retirement date. I think it DOES matter when your mom took her benefits originally because my grandma had to fill out some extra paperwork. Maybe different rules for different ages? I'm not sure but thought I'd mention it just in case.

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The rules are actually quite straightforward, though SSA representatives sometimes create confusion. For a widow/widower at full retirement age or older (which at 84, OP's mother definitely is), they're entitled to 100% of the deceased spouse's benefit if it's higher than their own, regardless of when they claimed their own benefits. The confusion might arise during the application process, but the end result should be receiving the higher amount.

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one more thing... when my mom finally got her survivors benefits they gave her back pay from when my dad died, not just from when she applied! so make sure ur mom asks about that!!

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That's not typically how it works - survivor benefits are usually payable from the month of application, not death. Your mom may have had a unique situation, or perhaps she applied within the same month as your dad's passing. The official policy is that retroactive benefits for widow(er)s are limited to 6 months maximum, and only if the application is delayed beyond the first eligible month. But it never hurts to ask!

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The system is RIDICULOUS!!! Why do they penalize seniors for working???? I'm so sick of this stupid earnings limit! When I called about MY overpayment last year, I waited 3 HOURS and then got disconnected. Called back, another 2.5 hours - finally got someone who barely spoke English and couldn't explain ANYTHING clearly about how they calculated my payback amount. THE WORST PART is they don't even WARN you during the year when you're getting close to the limit! They could easily set up some kind of alert system but NOOOO, they'd rather catch people and take back money!!!!

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I know! It's frustrating that there's no warning system. I kept track of my earnings but my employer kept changing my hours last minute and by December it was too late. I'm honestly dreading making those phone calls now hearing about your experience.

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One more important thing to know: if you're going to exceed the earnings limit again in 2025, you can request a "Rate Adjustment" where SSA reduces your monthly payments in advance based on your estimated earnings. This prevents a large overpayment situation. For example, if you know you'll exceed the limit by about $6,000 again, they could reduce your monthly benefit by about $250 ($3,000 ÷ 12 months) throughout the year instead of withholding full months later. This can be much easier to manage financially. You can request this by calling SSA or visiting your local office with an estimate of your expected 2025 earnings.

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This is EXTREMELY helpful information! I definitely think I'll exceed the limit again in 2025 because my hours aren't going down anytime soon. Having smaller reductions each month would be much more manageable than losing entire checks. I'll definitely ask about this "Rate Adjustment" when I contact them. Thank you!

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My sister went thru this with my mom. The caregiver payments were a problem during Medicaid application cuz they didn't have a formal agreement. They ended up having to pay back some money to qualify mom for Medicaid. Make sure you're charging a fair market rate. In our area agencies charge like $25-30/hr for similar care, so document your hours to show you're not overcharging.

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That's helpful context - thank you. I'm probably providing 20-25 hours of active care weekly, plus being on-call constantly. So $375 is probably around $15-18/hour which seems reasonable. Did your sister have to repay everything or just the amount that exceeded market rates?

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Since everyone's focused on Medicaid, I want to address your Social Security question specifically: When someone needs a nursing home, their Social Security benefits typically continue but may be used differently: 1. If she goes on Medicaid, most of her Social Security check will go to the facility as her "patient responsibility" contribution, with a small personal needs allowance (usually $30-60/month depending on state). 2. You should become her representative payee with SSA before facility placement to ensure proper handling of benefits. 3. The caregiver payments won't affect her Social Security benefits directly, but will be scrutinized during Medicaid application. Call SSA directly about the rep payee process - it requires specific forms and sometimes an in-person interview.

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Good luck reaching an actual person at SSA! I tried for weeks before using Claimyr. The rep payee process also requires form SSA-11 and they usually want medical documentation about why the beneficiary can't manage their own benefits. Get a letter from her doctor about the dementia diagnosis to speed things up.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet: if you do qualify for additional benefits based on your ex-wife's record, you might be eligible for some retroactive benefits too. Since you're past your FRA, you could potentially get up to 6 months of back payments for the difference amount if it turns out you've been eligible for a while. Definitely bring this up when you talk to SSA. Every little bit helps with today's prices!

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I had no idea about potential retroactive benefits! That would be great if I qualify. Does anyone know if these conversations with SSA have to happen in person at the office, or can they be done over the phone? My nearest office is about 45 minutes away.

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You can definitely handle this by phone, especially with the proper documentation ready. When you call, be prepared with: 1. Your Social Security number 2. Your ex-wife's Social Security number (if you have it) 3. Your marriage certificate 4. Your divorce decree showing the marriage lasted over 10 years 5. Birth certificates for both of you If you don't have all of these, don't worry. SSA can often look up some of this information in their system. The most important document is your divorce decree proving the 10+ year marriage. If you prefer, you can also schedule an appointment at your local office using the SSA website. Some people find it easier to discuss complex benefit situations in person.

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Thanks for the checklist! I have most of these documents, but I don't have her Social Security number. I hope that won't be a problem. I'll try calling first and see if they can help me over the phone before making the trip to the office.

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One other thing to check - if you recently became entitled to benefits on someone else's record (like spousal or survivor benefits) or if someone became entitled on your record, you might be hitting the family maximum benefit (FMB). When multiple people receive benefits on one earner's record, there's a cap on the total amount payable to the family, which could reduce individual benefit amounts. This is less common than the Medicare/tax withholding explanations, but worth mentioning.

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That's not my situation, but good to know for others who might be reading this thread. I'm now pretty sure it's the Medicare premium changes. I found both my notices and between the higher Part B premium and my Advantage plan now being deducted directly, it matches the difference exactly. I wish SSA would make this clearer in their communications!

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For future reference, here's what I learned from my experience: The SSA and Medicare systems don't communicate well. Your COLA letter comes from SSA showing your gross benefit increase. Your Medicare Premium letter comes separately showing what you'll pay for Part B and any IRMAA surcharges. Then if you have a Medicare Advantage or Part D plan, those premiums may be deducted directly from your Social Security. Add in possible tax withholding, and you need to do the math yourself to figure out your actual deposit amount. The online MySocialSecurity account usually doesn't update with the new detailed breakdown until mid to late January.

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This is so helpful, thank you! I'll keep all my letters together next time so I can do the math myself instead of panicking. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this!

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After seeing people mentioning the difficulty getting through on the SSA phone lines, I wanted to share what worked for me. I used Claimyr (claimyr.com) when I had a similar situation with an unexpected deposit. They got me through to a real SSA agent in about 10 minutes when I had been trying for days on my own. Their video demo (https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU) shows exactly how it works. Definitely worth it for peace of mind about mysterious money appearing in your account!

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does that really work? might try it next time i need to call them about my benefits. spent 4 hrs on hold last month just to update my address

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whatever u do MAKE SURE u document everything. get names of who u talk to, confirmation #s, & take notes during the call. my mom got a payment, spent it, then 8 months later they said it was a mistake & wanted it back!

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That's excellent advice - thank you! I'll definitely document everything and get the names of anyone I speak with. I'll hold off on spending it until I know exactly what it's for and that I'm actually entitled to it.

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I feel like this is becoming more common with all the experienced SSA staff retiring. My neighbor worked there for 30+ years and said they're losing institutional knowledge faster than they can train new people. When I had issues getting through on the phone to verify some benefit calculation questions, I used claimyr.com to connect with an agent (worked great, and I didn't have to wait on hold forever). The first agent gave me one answer, so I called back later using the service again and got a completely different answer from another agent. The third agent finally had the correct information that matched what the SSA website said. If I hadn't been persistent, I would have made decisions based on incorrect information.

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That persistence really paid off for you! And I think you're right about the loss of experienced staff. The woman who eventually helped me mentioned she'd been there for 22 years, and she knew the answer immediately without having to look anything up.

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sometimes i wonder if its on purpose tbh. my uncle was told he wasnt eligible for retirement benefits because he didnt have enough credits. turns out they were only looking at his us work record and completely ignored the fact that wed moved from canada and there's a totalization agreement. he was eligible after all but missed out on almost a year of payments because of bad info.

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International agreements are one of the most misunderstood aspects of Social Security. There are 30 countries with totalization agreements that allow workers to combine credits. Representatives should always ask about foreign work when someone is close to but not meeting the 40 credits requirement. This is a perfect example of specialized knowledge that many generalists at SSA might not be familiar with.

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