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I'm trying to figure out if the earnings record that Social Security keeps tracks both the Social Security AND Medicare tax portions, or just the Social Security portion. I was looking at my statement online and the earnings numbers seem higher than I expected. My husband says that the earnings record only reflects what I paid Social Security tax on (up to the annual limit), not including the Medicare portion which has no cap. But my friend insists the earnings record shows our total earnings subject to FICA taxes (both SS and Medicare combined). Does anyone know for sure what exactly is reflected in the Social Security earnings record? This is important for me to understand as I'm trying to calculate my future benefits.
I started filling out my Social Security retirement application online back in June but never completed it. Now I'm getting notifications saying my application needed to be signed and submitted by September 15, which has already passed. Is there any way to delete this incomplete application and start fresh with a new one? The system won't let me move forward with the existing application since the deadline passed, but I can't find any option to delete it either. Has anyone dealt with this before? Really want to apply online rather than having to call or visit an office if possible.
Update: I was able to get through to SSA this morning! Called right at 8am using the "check application status" option as suggested. Only waited about 10 minutes. The representative was very helpful and deleted my expired application. She said I can start a new one immediately, which I just did. Thanks everyone for your help!
That's great news! Just as a heads-up, make sure you complete your new application within 60 days. The SSA system now puts a more strict time limit on completing applications than they used to. Also, have your bank account information and any relevant dates (marriage, divorce, military service) ready before you start to make the process smoother.
Just wanted to add my experience for anyone else dealing with this - I had a similar situation with my spouse's survivor benefits application last year. The key thing I learned is that even though the system seems broken, SSA representatives are actually very helpful once you get through to them. For anyone calling, I'd recommend having your Social Security number and the approximate date you started the original application ready. The rep will ask for these to locate your incomplete application in their system. Also, don't be discouraged if you get disconnected - it happened to me twice before I finally got through and got it resolved. The whole process took less than 5 minutes once I had someone on the line, and I was able to start fresh immediately after. Sometimes the old-fashioned phone call really is the best solution!
I'm getting close to my Full Retirement Age (FRA) and trying to figure out what to do. Can I keep working full-time and still collect my Social Security benefits without any penalties once I reach FRA? I've heard different things from friends - some say I'll lose benefits if I earn too much, others say that only happens before FRA. My FRA is 67 (born in 1958) and I make about $86,000 annually at my current job. I'd like to continue working for a few more years but also want to start collecting what I've earned. Will Social Security reduce my monthly payment if I'm still working full-time? This whole system is so confusing and the SSA website isn't helping much.
As someone who's been following this incredible discussion and learning so much from everyone's experiences, I wanted to add my perspective as a newcomer to Social Security planning. What's really struck me throughout this thread is how the decision between claiming at FRA versus waiting until 70 isn't just about maximizing dollars - it's about optimizing your entire life situation. The psychological benefits that @Dmitry Kuznetsov, @Nia Davis, @Eloise Kendrick and others described - reduced work stress, better job performance, financial peace of mind - seem to have real monetary value even if they're hard to quantify. I'm particularly fascinated by the strategic opportunities that come with having dual income streams at FRA. Being able to maximize 401k contributions, do Roth conversions, help family members, or simply have more financial flexibility sounds incredibly valuable. Sometimes having options and liquidity is worth more than optimizing for the absolute highest monthly payment later. The consistency of advice about no earnings penalties at FRA has been so reassuring, especially given how much conflicting information exists elsewhere. And all the specific resources mentioned here - the SSA retirement estimator, Publication 05-10069, even services like Claimyr for getting through to agents - are exactly what someone new to this process needs. @Kingston Bellamy, I'd love to hear your final decision after all this amazing advice! And @Miguel Ramos, thank you for adding that professional perspective about the earnings test recalculation - that's exactly the kind of nuanced detail that makes this community so valuable. This thread has convinced me that when my time comes, I'll seriously consider claiming at FRA while working rather than automatically assuming I should wait until 70. The real-world experiences shared here are worth their weight in gold!
This thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! As someone who's completely new to thinking about Social Security, I'm amazed by how much practical wisdom everyone has shared here. What really stands out to me is how this decision is so much more than just a financial calculation. Reading about the peace of mind, reduced work stress, and improved job satisfaction that people experience when they have that guaranteed SS income while working really opened my eyes. I never considered how having that safety net could actually make someone a better employee! The consistency of advice about no earnings penalties at FRA is so helpful, especially since there's so much conflicting information out there. And all the specific resources mentioned - the SSA retirement estimator tool, that publication number, even the Claimyr service - these are exactly the kinds of actionable tips I was hoping to find but couldn't locate on the official SSA website. I'm also really intrigued by the strategic financial planning opportunities that come with dual income streams. Using SS for basic expenses while maximizing retirement contributions with work income sounds like a smart approach I hadn't thought of. @Kingston Bellamy, I'm curious what you ultimately decided after getting all this amazing advice! Your original question has sparked such a valuable discussion that's helping so many of us who are facing similar decisions. Thank you for starting this conversation!
As someone who's been researching Social Security strategies for my own upcoming decision, this thread has been absolutely phenomenal! The real-world experiences shared here are worth more than all the official publications combined. What's really compelling to me is how unanimous everyone seems to be about the psychological benefits of claiming at FRA while working. I've been so focused on the math of waiting until 70 for maximum benefits, but reading about the peace of mind, reduced work stress, and improved job satisfaction has me seriously reconsidering that approach. The point about having dual income streams enabling better strategic financial planning is fascinating too. Using SS for basic expenses while maximizing retirement contributions with work income sounds like it could actually result in better overall wealth accumulation than just optimizing for the highest monthly SS payment. I'm also grateful for all the practical resources mentioned - especially the SSA retirement estimator tool and Publication 05-10069. These are exactly the kinds of actionable tips that are impossible to find through normal research channels. For those already living this decision (@Dmitry Kuznetsov, @Nia Davis, @Eloise Kendrick), thank you for sharing your actual experiences rather than just theoretical advice. It's incredibly valuable to hear how this choice has worked out in practice, particularly the unexpected benefits like improved work performance and greater financial flexibility. This community is providing guidance that's light-years better than anything available through official channels. Thanks to everyone for creating such a supportive environment for navigating these complex retirement decisions!
As someone who's just starting to learn about Social Security planning, this entire discussion has been incredibly eye-opening! I'm still several years away from having to make these decisions, but reading everyone's real-world experiences is already shaping how I think about retirement planning. What really stands out to me is how this decision involves so much more than just the numbers. The psychological and lifestyle factors - having that safety net, reduced work stress, the ability to work from choice rather than necessity - seem to be just as important as the financial calculations. That's something I never would have considered if I'd just been looking at government websites or calculators. The consistency of everyone's advice about no earnings penalties at FRA is really reassuring, especially since there's so much conflicting information out there. And I love how supportive this community is - everyone sharing detailed experiences without any judgment, just genuinely trying to help others navigate these complex decisions. I'm definitely bookmarking this thread and all the resources mentioned (SSA retirement estimator, Publication 05-10069, even that Claimyr service). As a newcomer to all this, having these specific actionable tools is incredibly valuable. Thanks to @Kingston Bellamy for starting such an informative discussion, and to everyone who s'shared their experiences so openly. This is exactly the kind of real-world guidance that makes all the difference when facing these important life decisions!
I've been receiving SSDI for the past 3 years due to a degenerative condition. I'm turning 61 next month and trying to figure out if I can sell my artwork without jeopardizing my benefits. My income from art sales is really unpredictable - some months I sell nothing at all, but I'm finally getting some recognition and might be able to sell a major piece for around $8,000 at an upcoming gallery show. Then probably nothing for several months after that. Does anyone know what the monthly earning limit is before SSA reduces my SSDI? And how would a one-time larger sale like this be counted? I'm so confused about whether they look at monthly income or annual totals when it comes to irregular earnings like art sales. Really don't want to lose my healthcare coverage over this, but I need the extra income and honestly, making art is part of my therapy too.
I'm also an artist on SSDI and went through this exact situation last year! One thing that really helped me was getting my earnings statement from SSA (you can access it online through your my Social Security account) to see exactly how many Trial Work Period months I'd already used. Turns out I had used 3 months from small sales I'd forgotten about. For your $8K piece, definitely consider timing. If you haven't used your TWP months yet, you could take the full payment without losing benefits. But if you have used some TWP months, you might want to negotiate with the gallery to split payments across multiple months to stay under the $1,550 SGA limit. Also, don't forget about the Impairment-Related Work Expenses (IRWE) that Liam mentioned - if your disability requires special accommodations for your art (like ergonomic tools, special seating, modified easels), those costs can be deducted from your countable earnings. This could bring that $8K down significantly when calculating what actually counts toward SGA. The art world doesn't always understand disability benefits, so be prepared to educate your gallery about why payment timing might matter to you. Most galleries are willing to work with artists on payment schedules if you explain the situation professionally.
What about SSI? I am on that and have thought about selling my old art pieces because I can't insure and fill up my car on what I get, and in my rural area there are no busses. My neighbours are tired of driving me around, I've gone 8 months without seeing my doctor because I have no way to get there. If I can sell my old pieces or make some new ones I could at least make enough to drive. If doing so makes me lose what little I get from SSI, it won't be worth doing. I don't know how to get a business license in order to get my supplies at wholesale so I can try without SSA thinking I can do gainful work, which I can't do. I would probably only make about 200 every month if I could try, that's all I need for my car.
Just finished my Social Security retirement application over the phone and I'm frustrated about the payment timeline! I filed for my retirement benefits effective April 2025, but the agent told me I won't receive my first payment until the END of May 2025. That's almost a 6-week delay after my eligibility month! The agent explained something about payment schedules and processing times, but I wasn't really following all the technical details. I thought I'd start receiving benefits right away after approval. Is this normal? Did anyone else experience this gap between filing month and first payment? I'm concerned because I've already budgeted assuming I'd have that money sooner. Any insights on why this happens or if there's any way to speed things up?
Just to clarify something important: Your first payment isn't delayed because of processing issues - this is the normal Social Security payment schedule. Benefits for a month are always paid the following month. Also worth noting - if you're under Full Retirement Age (FRA) and still working, make sure you understand the earnings limit for 2025 ($22,320/year or $1,860/month for those below FRA). Exceeding this could affect your benefit amounts. If you were expecting the money sooner for budgeting purposes, you might want to check with SSA about the exact payment date based on your birth date so you can plan accordingly.
I went through this exact same situation when I filed for my retirement benefits last fall! The waiting period for that first payment is nerve-wracking, especially when you're counting on that income. What helped me was setting up a my Social Security account online at ssa.gov - you can track your payment status and see exactly when your first deposit is scheduled. Also, make sure you have direct deposit set up if you haven't already, as it's much more reliable than waiting for a paper check. The good news is that once you get through this initial waiting period, the payments become very predictable based on your birth date schedule. Hang in there - it really is just a matter of getting through these first few weeks!
Rudy Cenizo
This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who's been working for about 10 years but never really understood how Social Security tracking worked, this clears up so much confusion I've had. I had the same misconception as the original poster - I thought the earnings record included everything I paid FICA taxes on. Now I understand it's ONLY the Social Security portion (6.2% up to the cap), not the Medicare portion (1.45% on all earnings). The W-2 Box 3 vs Box 5 comparison is going to be really useful for me to verify this. One thing I'm curious about: I've switched jobs several times and had some periods of unemployment between jobs. Does SSA automatically get updates from all employers, or is there ever a situation where I might need to manually report earnings to make sure they're properly credited to my record? I want to make sure I'm not missing any earnings that should be counting toward my future benefits. Also, @Sofia Perez - your explanation about the 35-year calculation was really eye-opening. I never realized that working extra years could potentially replace lower-earning years from earlier in my career. That actually makes me feel better about those early jobs where I was making very little!
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Ryan Kim
@Rudy Cenizo Great questions! Regarding employer reporting, SSA typically receives earnings data automatically from employers through the W-2 process - employers are required to report wages to SSA by the end of February each year. However, errors do happen sometimes employers (go out of business, data entry mistakes, name mismatches, etc. ,)which is why it s'so important to check your earnings record annually. If you notice missing earnings, you ll'need documentation like old W-2s or pay stubs to request a correction. For unemployment periods, those won t'show up on your earnings record since unemployment benefits aren t'subject to Social Security taxes - only wages from employment count toward your future benefits calculation. I d'recommend creating that online account at ssa.gov that others have mentioned and reviewing your complete earnings history. It s'much easier to catch and correct errors sooner rather than later. You can also sign up to receive automatic annual statements electronically, which makes it easier to stay on top of any discrepancies. Welcome to the community, by the way!
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Michael Martinez
On my SS earnings statement there are two columns, SS Earned and Medicare Earned. For two years there are ZEROS listed in the SS earnings column but my salaries for those years are showing in the Medicare column. When I talked to SS Representative on the phone she said not to worry that they have my earnings listed which are the same figures in my Medicare column for those two years but throughout the phone call she seemed a little confused and abrasive with me. She said she did not have the same form as me in front of her.
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Anastasia Popova
@Michael Martinez This is a really concerning discrepancy that definitely needs to be resolved! Having zeros in the Social Security earnings column while showing earnings in the Medicare column for those years suggests there may be a serious reporting error that could affect your future benefits calculation. The fact that the SSA representative seemed confused and said she didn t'have the same form is troubling - you should be looking at the same data. Here are some steps I d'recommend: 1. Call back and speak to a different representative - the service you get can vary significantly between agents 2. Have your W-2s for those years ready when you call - Box 3 should match your SS earnings column, and Box 5 should match your Medicare column 3. If your W-2s show Social Security taxes were withheld Box (4 but) your SS earnings column shows zero, that s'definitely an error that needs correction 4. Consider using Claimyr mentioned (earlier in this thread to) get connected faster and avoid the hold time frustration 5. Request a formal review in writing if the phone calls don t'resolve it Don t'let this slide - those zero years could significantly impact your benefit calculation since SSA uses your highest 35 years of earnings. You deserve to get proper credit for all the Social Security taxes you paid! Keep us posted on how this gets resolved.
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Anna Xian
@Michael Martinez This is definitely a serious issue that needs to be resolved properly! As a newcomer who has learned so much from this discussion, I can see that having zeros in your Social Security earnings column while showing actual earnings in the Medicare column is a major red flag. Based on everything discussed in this thread, your W-2s for those years should show the breakdown clearly - Box 3 Social (Security wages should) match what appears in your SS earnings column, and Box 4 should show the Social Security taxes that were actually withheld. If those boxes show you paid Social Security taxes but your earnings record shows zero, that s'absolutely an error that could cost you thousands in future benefits. I d'recommend trying the Claimyr service that @Jason Brewer mentioned earlier - it might help you get connected to a more knowledgeable representative who can actually see the same information you re looking'at. The fact that the SSA rep said she didn t have'the same form as you is concerning and suggests you weren t getting'proper assistance. Don t let'them dismiss this! Those zero years could significantly impact your benefit calculation since SSA uses your highest 35 years of earnings. You deserve full credit for every Social Security tax dollar you paid. Please keep fighting for the correction and let us know how it goes - this community seems very supportive of helping people navigate these issues!
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