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my sister found a loophole! she started a small business and pays herself as a consultant AFTER she hits full retirement age so she doesnt have to deal with any of this. not sayin its for everyone but thought id mention...

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Just a clarification - that's not actually a loophole. Once someone reaches Full Retirement Age, the earnings test no longer applies regardless of employment type. They can earn unlimited income without reduction in benefits. Self-employment income is still subject to FICA taxes (though paid through self-employment tax), and the earnings test would still apply to self-employment income before FRA. The strategy you mentioned only works because she waited until FRA, not because of how she structured her income.

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When my husband retired we went through the EXACT same thing! We thought we were being so clever with the 401k idea but NOPE! Social Security taxes still came out and the earnings still counted for the limit. He ended up just fully retiring 6 months earlier than planned because the math worked out better that way. Sometimes simple is better.

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NeonNova

My cousin took her ex spousal benefit at 62 and regrets it SO MUCH cause it got reduced like 30%! Def wait for ur FRA if u can afford to!

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This is good advice. Taking ex-spouse benefits early results in the same reduction percentages as taking your own retirement benefits early. At 62, that's approximately a 30% permanent reduction from what you'd get at FRA. The only time it might make sense to claim early is if you absolutely need the income or have health concerns that might limit your longevity.

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wait im confused does this mean my ex taking SS early screws me over? or not? can someone explain this in simple terms plz

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No, your ex taking Social Security early does NOT affect your benefit amount. Your ex-spouse benefit is based on what your ex would have received at their full retirement age (their PIA), NOT what they actually receive after early retirement reductions. The only thing that reduces YOUR ex-spouse benefit is if YOU take it before YOUR full retirement age. If your ex takes it early, it has zero impact on your potential benefit amount.

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DONT TRUST WHAT SSA TELLS YOU ON THE PHONE!!! I got THREE different answers from THREE different reps about my widow benefits!!! Get EVERYTHING in writing and talk to a supervisor if possible. The first rep told me I'd get full benefits and then when I applied they said I was getting way less because of some rule nobody mentioned before. FIGHT FOR YOUR BENEFITS!!!

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Here's some additional information that might help you: 1. Regarding the pension: Federal pensions for ex-spouses typically end when the retiree dies unless your divorce decree included a survivor benefit clause. This is something you should verify by reviewing your divorce decree or contacting the Office of Personnel Management (OPM). 2. About Social Security survivor benefits: As others have mentioned, the GPO would reduce your survivor benefits by 2/3 of your government pension. However, since your pension will likely terminate upon your ex-husband's death, the GPO may not apply to you at that point (since you won't be receiving the pension anymore). 3. If your ex-husband was under CSRS, he likely had substantial quarters of coverage under Social Security from other employment to qualify for any Social Security benefit. Given your current income is only $14,000 annually, survivor benefits could be significant for your financial security. I strongly recommend setting up an in-person appointment at your local Social Security office where they can access all the relevant records.

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Thank you for the detailed information. Your point about GPO possibly not applying if the pension terminates gives me some hope. I'll definitely check my divorce decree to see if there's any survivor benefit clause - I don't recall one, but it's been several years since the divorce was finalized. I'll try to set up an in-person appointment as you suggested.

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can someone tell me if they take taxes out automatically or do i need to request that? i dont want a surprise tax bill next year

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You need to specifically request tax withholding by submitting Form W-4V to Social Security. You can choose to have 7%, 10%, 12%, or 22% withheld. If you don't request withholding, no taxes will be taken out automatically, and you may need to make quarterly estimated tax payments or potentially face a tax bill when you file.

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Just wanted to update everyone - I called SSA this morning (waited 45 minutes!) and finally got through to an agent who confirmed that yes, the early payment is normal for first-time benefits. She said all future payments will follow my regular schedule on the 3rd Wednesday of each month. Thanks to everyone who helped explain this!

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Wow you got through in ONLY 45 minutes?? That's like a miracle lol. Glad it worked out!

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does he take his meds regularly? make sure to mention that on the forms. my aunt says thats super important for mental health reviews

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Yes, he's really good about taking his medications exactly as prescribed. He uses a weekly pill organizer and I help make sure he stays on track. I'll definitely emphasize that on the forms!

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Zara Khan

One more important tip: when completing the function report portion of the CDR, be very specific about bad days versus good days. Many people with bipolar disorder have some good days where they can function better, but what matters is consistency. Make sure to explain how many bad days he has per week/month and what those look like. SSA needs to understand that even if he can do something occasionally, he can't do it reliably enough to maintain employment. Focus on specifics like: - How often he has episodes of severe depression or mania - How long these episodes typically last - What triggers worsen his symptoms (especially work-related stressors) - How his condition affects sleep, concentration, and ability to complete tasks - Specific examples of difficulties with social interactions This level of detail helps paint an accurate picture of why he remains unable to work despite medication compliance.

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This is excellent advice - thank you! He definitely has good and bad days, but even on his 'good' days he can't handle being around groups of people or dealing with any kind of pressure. I'll make sure to document how unpredictable his condition can be and why that makes consistent work impossible.

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did you sign up for direct deposit? sometimes they send the backpay as a separate deposit or even a paper check even if your regular benefits are direct deposit. check your informed delivery from usps if you have it to see if theres a check coming

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Yes, I did sign up for direct deposit. That's interesting about them sometimes sending backpay separately - I hadn't thought of that. I'll keep an eye on my mail too, just in case. Thanks for the suggestion!

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After you call SSA and get this sorted out, I recommend creating a my Social Security account online at ssa.gov if you haven't already. You can see your payment history there, which makes it easier to track what you've received and when. The online account also shows your payment dates and amounts, and you can request benefit verification letters if needed for your medical billing.

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I did create an account but I'm still learning how to use it. I'll definitely look for the payment history section - that would be helpful to see everything laid out clearly. Thanks for the tip!

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OK I'M CONFUSED!!! I thought that if you were married for 10+ years you could claim 50% of your ex's benefit REGARDLESS of when they claim??? Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of the divorced spouse benefit?? That you don't have to coordinate with them?? Why is everyone saying you have to wait until your ex is 62? That makes NO SENSE to me and defeats the purpose of the benefit!! Also my cousin's friend got divorced after 11 years and she's getting benefits on her ex-husband's record RIGHT NOW even though he hasn't filed yet so I KNOW it's possible!!!

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You're confusing two different rules: 1. You don't have to coordinate WITH your ex-spouse (they don't need to file first, and you don't need their permission) 2. BUT your ex-spouse still needs to be at least 62 (eligible for benefits) before you can claim on their record Your cousin's friend's ex-husband is presumably at least 62, which is why she can claim on his record even if he hasn't filed yet. The original poster's ex is only 51, so they wouldn't be eligible for another 11 years. The "not having to coordinate" part means once the ex is 62+, you don't need them to actually file for benefits before you can claim on their record.

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Been there done that with the ex-spouse stuff. Just remember you need ur marriage certificate AND divorce decree when you apply! They made me go home and come back when I didn't have both. Super annoying since I had to take another day off work.

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That's a great tip, thank you! I think I know where my divorce decree is, but I'll have to hunt down the marriage certificate. It's been so long I'm not even sure where I put it.

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To clarify the Medicare point: Yes, if the husband is covered under the wife's current employer health insurance (from her active employment), AND the employer has 20+ employees, then he can delay enrolling in Medicare Part B without penalty. He would need to get a form called \

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This is all super helpful information. I definitely don't want to file early just to enable his spousal benefits if it's going to permanently reduce my benefit. It sounds like the best approach might be for him to wait until his FRA at 67 to claim his own benefit, and then I can file for mine when I reach my FRA (which would be 67 too, I think).

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its SO DUMB that they make these rules so complicated!!!! why cant they just explain things clearly?? everytime i call ssa i get diffrent answers too

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I agree it's frustrating. I think part of the problem is that the rules themselves are incredibly complex with lots of exceptions and special cases. Even the representatives sometimes struggle to keep everything straight, especially for less common situations like this one.

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To summarize what everyone's said: While your son is earning above SGA during his EPE, his benefits are suspended (not terminated). During months of suspension, you would not be eligible for Child-in-Care benefits because he's not receiving benefits. For any months he earns under SGA during the EPE, both his benefits and your Child-in-Care benefits could be reinstated for those specific months. After the EPE ends, if he's still working above SGA, his benefits would be terminated, which would permanently end your eligibility for Child-in-Care benefits (unless he files a new application later).

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Thank you for this clear summary. I think I finally understand how it all works. I'll keep track of his monthly earnings during the EPE and report any months where he goes below SGA. At least we might get benefits during those months.

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has anyone actually CALLED the social security office about this?? wat did they say?

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I've spoken with SSA about similar situations. They'll confirm whether the income appears on your earnings record, but they'll refer you to the IRS regarding tax filing issues. They'll typically explain that only income where Social Security taxes were paid counts toward benefits. SSA doesn't have the authority to credit earnings where no FICA/SE tax was paid, even if it was due to confusion about a tax exemption.

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After doing more research on your situation, I want to add that there is a process for requesting an earnings record correction with Social Security, but it requires evidence that you actually paid the self-employment taxes for those years. The difficulty of care exemption creates a unique situation that many tax preparers misunderstand. Moving forward, make sure your tax preparer includes Schedule SE with your tax returns to pay self-employment tax on this income. For past years, you can: 1. Amend returns for the past three tax years by filing Form 1040X along with Schedule SE 2. For years beyond the amendment window, you may still be able to file a request with SSA using Form SSA-7008 (Request for Correction of Earnings Record), but success will depend on your specific circumstances This is definitely a situation where speaking directly with someone at SSA who specializes in earnings record issues would be beneficial.

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Thank you so much for this additional information! I'll definitely look into Form SSA-7008. We're meeting with our tax preparer next week to go through our returns and start the amendment process for the years we can fix. I really appreciate everyone's help with this confusing situation.

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