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Can I get 100% of my ex-husband's Social Security benefits if he dies while I'm receiving his pension?

I'm trying to understand my widow benefits for when my ex-husband passes away. We were married for 23 years before divorcing in 2017. I'm currently 62 and receive a portion of his pension from his federal job ($1,850/month). I was told by a friend that when he passes away, I'll lose this pension completely. Is this true? And more importantly, would I be eligible to receive 100% of his Social Security survivor benefits instead of just the 50% divorced spouse benefit? I'm still working part-time but only make about $14,000 annually and have very little saved for retirement. I need to plan ahead financially since I'm worried about making ends meet if the pension stops. Any information on survivor benefits for divorced spouses would be so helpful.

Yes, you can potentially receive up to 100% of your ex-husband's Social Security benefit as a surviving divorced spouse. To qualify, you need to have been married at least 10 years (which you were), be at least 60 years old (which you are), and not be entitled to a higher benefit on your own record. But there's a catch - if your ex worked in a job that didn't pay into Social Security (sounds like he might have had a federal job with CSRS rather than FERS), then his SS benefits might be reduced by WEP, and yours might be affected by GPO (Government Pension Offset).

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Thank you for explaining. What's WEP and GPO? And yes, I think he was under CSRS. How much would that reduce what I could get?

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My mom went thru this exact thing with my dads pension!! When he died the pension company immediately stopped her payments and it took almost 6 months to get her widows benefits from Social Security. We had to borrow money from family just to pay her bills!!

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Oh no, that's exactly what I'm afraid of! Did your mom eventually get the full amount of your dad's Social Security?

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WEP stands for Windfall Elimination Provision and GPO is Government Pension Offset. These rules affect people who receive pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security. If your ex-husband worked in a federal job under the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS), his Social Security benefit might be reduced by WEP. And as his divorced spouse, your survivor benefits could be reduced by GPO. The GPO typically reduces your Social Security survivor benefits by two-thirds of your government pension amount. Regarding the pension: Yes, many survivor pensions do terminate upon death of the former employee. You should check the specific terms of his pension plan. Some federal pensions have survivor benefit provisions, but this depends on choices made at retirement. I would recommend contacting Social Security directly to get a personalized estimate of what your survivor benefits would be, taking GPO into account if applicable.

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Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. This is very concerning - if my pension of $1,850 stops AND my Social Security survivor benefits get reduced by GPO, I don't know how I'll manage financially. I'll definitely need to contact SSA to get exact figures.

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the pension stopping when he dies is probably true. most pensions dont continue for exes after death unless there was something specifc in your divorce decree. you should check your divorce papers.

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I recently helped my aunt with a similar situation. She tried calling Social Security for THREE WEEKS and couldn't get through - just busy signals or being placed on hold for hours. She finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got her connected with an actual Social Security agent in under 20 minutes! They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU She needed specific answers about her survivor benefits calculation and GPO reduction, and speaking with an actual agent was the only way to get accurate information for her situation. Much better than general advice online.

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Is that service legit? I've spent HOURS trying to talk to someone at Social Security about my benefits. I always get disconnected after waiting forever!!!

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Yes, it's legitimate. My aunt was skeptical too, but it actually worked. She got through to an agent who explained exactly how her benefits would be calculated with the GPO reduction. Saved her from making a huge financial planning mistake.

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My situation was different but maybe helps? I got divorced after 12 years and when my ex died I got his full SS benefit even though I was already claiming my own SS. They automatically give you whichever amount is higher. But I didn't have any pension stuff to deal with.

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Thats not how it works!!! You dont get BOTH benefits. You only get the higher one. Social Security isnt that generous lol

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That's what I meant! Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was getting my own benefit, then when he died they switched me to his because it was higher.

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To directly answer your original question: Yes, as a divorced spouse who was married for more than 10 years, you can potentially receive 100% of your ex-husband's Social Security benefit as a survivor benefit when he passes away. However, several factors come into play: 1. GPO: If you receive a government pension based on work not covered by Social Security (which sounds likely in your case), your survivor benefits would be reduced by 2/3 of that pension amount. 2. Your Age: If you claim survivor benefits before your Full Retirement Age (FRA), the benefit will be reduced. 3. Your Own Work Record: If your own Social Security benefit would be higher, you'd receive that instead. I strongly recommend setting up an appointment with SSA to get precise calculations based on your specific situation. The online calculators won't account for all these special circumstances.

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Thank you so much for this thorough explanation. I'm definitely going to contact SSA directly. It sounds like my situation is more complicated than I realized with the GPO potentially reducing my survivor benefits. I need to figure out exactly what I'll have to live on.

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DONT TRUST WHAT SSA TELLS YOU ON THE PHONE!!! I got THREE different answers from THREE different reps about my widow benefits!!! Get EVERYTHING in writing and talk to a supervisor if possible. The first rep told me I'd get full benefits and then when I applied they said I was getting way less because of some rule nobody mentioned before. FIGHT FOR YOUR BENEFITS!!!

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Here's some additional information that might help you: 1. Regarding the pension: Federal pensions for ex-spouses typically end when the retiree dies unless your divorce decree included a survivor benefit clause. This is something you should verify by reviewing your divorce decree or contacting the Office of Personnel Management (OPM). 2. About Social Security survivor benefits: As others have mentioned, the GPO would reduce your survivor benefits by 2/3 of your government pension. However, since your pension will likely terminate upon your ex-husband's death, the GPO may not apply to you at that point (since you won't be receiving the pension anymore). 3. If your ex-husband was under CSRS, he likely had substantial quarters of coverage under Social Security from other employment to qualify for any Social Security benefit. Given your current income is only $14,000 annually, survivor benefits could be significant for your financial security. I strongly recommend setting up an in-person appointment at your local Social Security office where they can access all the relevant records.

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Thank you for the detailed information. Your point about GPO possibly not applying if the pension terminates gives me some hope. I'll definitely check my divorce decree to see if there's any survivor benefit clause - I don't recall one, but it's been several years since the divorce was finalized. I'll try to set up an in-person appointment as you suggested.

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I'm sorry to hear about your difficult situation. As someone who has navigated similar waters, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help you prepare: 1. **Document everything now**: Start gathering all your divorce papers, pension statements, and any Social Security statements you have. You'll need these when you meet with SSA. 2. **Consider timing**: If your ex-husband is still alive, you might want to have a conversation about his Social Security earnings record and whether he has enough quarters of coverage. This could affect your survivor benefits. 3. **Emergency planning**: Given that your pension will likely stop immediately upon his death, consider setting up a small emergency fund if possible. Even a few hundred dollars can help cover immediate expenses while you wait for survivor benefits to begin. 4. **Look into local resources**: Many communities have senior centers or non-profit organizations that offer free assistance with Social Security questions. They might be able to help you navigate the system or even accompany you to appointments. The uncertainty is really stressful, but getting concrete numbers from SSA will help you plan better. Hang in there!

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I'm so glad you found this thread helpful! One additional resource I'd recommend is creating a my Social Security account online at ssa.gov if you don't already have one. This will give you access to your earnings record and benefit estimates, and you can also check your ex-husband's work history if you have his SSN. The online tools can help you prepare for your in-person appointment and give you a better understanding of the numbers before you go in. Also, when you do meet with SSA, don't be afraid to ask them to walk through the calculations step by step - they should be able to show you exactly how GPO would affect your benefits while you're receiving the pension versus after it ends. Having those specific dollar amounts will make your financial planning so much easier. Best of luck with everything!

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This is such great advice about the my Social Security account! I actually didn't know I could check my ex-husband's work history with his SSN - that could really help me understand what his actual Social Security benefit amount might be. I'm definitely going to set that up before my appointment so I can come prepared with better questions. Having those specific calculations will make such a difference in planning my budget. Thank you for mentioning that SSA should walk through the numbers step by step too - I'll make sure to ask for that detailed breakdown!

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