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my sister went through this same thing with her ex husband who benefit was alot more than hers. she started working when she was 45 after raising kids so her benefit was tiny. she tried taking ex spouse benefit at 62 and regretted it cause of the work limits. she should of just waited til 67 like everyone is telling you. the other thing nobody mentioned is that you can only get divorced spouse benefits if you haven't remarried!!! just making sure you know that part.

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That's correct about remarriage - if you remarry, you generally can't collect on an ex-spouse's record. There's an exception if your later marriage ends (by death, divorce, or annulment), then you can claim on the previous ex-spouse's record again. One additional point: while working until FRA is financially smart, those additional earnings years might actually increase your own benefit calculation. If your recent earnings are higher than some of the earlier years included in your calculation, you might find that your own benefit at FRA is closer to the ex-spousal benefit than you currently expect.

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Thank you all for the incredibly helpful information! This cleared up so much confusion. Based on what I'm hearing, it sounds like my best strategy is to continue working until my FRA and then apply for benefits - either my own or ex-spouse benefits, whichever is higher at that point. I'm going to try to get through to SSA to confirm all these details for my specific situation. It's frustrating that these rules are so complicated, but I'm grateful for all your insights!

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That's the smartest approach. One last tip: about 3-4 months before you reach your FRA, go ahead and schedule an appointment with SSA to review both benefit options. By then, they'll have your complete earnings record (including these additional years of work), and can give you precise benefit estimates. Good luck!

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Mei Liu

my mom had something like this happen... she got a letter afterwards saying they took too much from her checks and she got back pay but it took like 2 years i think

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Based on everything in this discussion, here are your main options: 1. Claim at 63 as planned, accept the reduction while working, and know your benefit will be adjusted upward at FRA 2. Reduce your caregiving hours to keep income under the threshold (though this may not be practical for your son's needs) 3. Wait until FRA to claim, avoiding the earnings test entirely 4. Look into whether your state's Medicaid waiver program might allow another family member to be the paid caregiver temporarily until you reach FRA Option 4 might be worth exploring if you have another relative who could step in temporarily.

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Thank you for laying out all the options so clearly! I hadn't thought about option 4 - my sister might actually be able to help with that. I'll check with our case manager about whether that's possible under our state's program. Really appreciate everyone's help with this complicated situation!

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Based on the numbers you provided, I can give you a rough estimation. If your husband receives $2344, and the family maximum is approximately 175% of his PIA, that would be around $4102. After subtracting your husband's benefit, approximately $1758 would remain for auxiliary beneficiaries. Currently, your son receives $1177. If you adopt both grandchildren and they qualify for approximately $2000 combined, the total auxiliary benefits would be $3177, which exceeds the remaining $1758 by about 80%. This means all auxiliary benefits would be reduced to roughly 55% of their original amount. Your son's $1177 might be reduced to approximately $650-700, and the grandchildren's benefits would be similarly reduced. This is just an estimation - the actual family maximum calculation could be different based on your husband's complete earnings record.

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Thank you for calculating that. Those numbers are really helpful, even if just an estimate. That's a significant reduction in our son's benefits - nearly half. We may need to reconsider and perhaps only adopt one grandchild or explore the guardianship option mentioned above. I definitely need to get the exact calculation from SSA.

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my sister said when they adopted their foster kids the benefits got reduced but then they qualified for adoption subsidies from the state that made up the difference. maybe look into that too?

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That's a really good suggestion I hadn't thought about! I'll definitely look into what adoption subsidies might be available. That could make a big difference in our decision. Thanks for mentioning it.

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Vince Eh

ALSO!!! If your husband passes away before you (sorry to be morbid), you should know that survivor benefits are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from spousal benefits! You'd get 100% of what HE was receiving if you're at FRA when you claim survivors (not just 50%!). This is super important for planning! And if he claims at 62 and gets reduced benefits, your eventual survivor benefit would be based on that reduced amount! The SSA doesn't explain this well!!!!!

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This is an excellent point. Survivor benefits are indeed different from spousal benefits. To clarify: 1. If the deceased spouse took benefits early, the survivor's benefit is limited to the larger of: - What the deceased was actually receiving, or - 82.5% of the deceased's PIA 2. If the deceased spouse delayed benefits beyond FRA, the survivor gets the actual increased amount including all delayed retirement credits. This is why some financial planners recommend that the higher-earning spouse delay benefits until 70 if possible, especially if there's a significant age gap or health difference between spouses.

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Thank you all for the helpful information! One more question - if my husband decides to keep working after he starts collecting benefits (he only plans to work part-time), would that affect my spousal benefit at all?

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If your husband works while collecting benefits before his FRA, his benefits might be reduced temporarily due to the earnings test (in 2025, $1 in benefits is withheld for every $2 earned above $23,100). However, this would not directly affect your spousal benefit calculation. If his continued work increases his PIA through higher earnings replacing lower earnings in his 35-year calculation, both his benefit and your spousal benefit could increase slightly. After he reaches his FRA, there's no earnings test, so he can earn any amount without it affecting his current benefits.

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When i first got social security i was confused about all this tax stuff too. the thing that surprised me is that they only give u those 4 choices for withholding (7, 10, 12, or 22 percent). why cant i just pick my own amount?? its weird but i just went with 7% since im in a lower bracket.

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The reason they limit the choices is that those percentages align with the federal tax brackets. For most retirees, one of those four options will closely match their tax liability. It's a simplification that works well for the majority of beneficiaries.

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BE CAREFUL with the W-4V form! Make sure you check the right box for the percentage you want. My husband accidentally selected 22% instead of 12% and way too much was taken out for 3 months before we could get it fixed. The SSA is SLOW to process changes!!

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That's good to know! I'll double-check everything before I submit it. How long did it take for the withholding to start after you submitted the form?

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Hang on a second - I'm confused about something. You mentioned a \

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Lucas Bey

Good catch. Under current rules, when you file for any retirement benefit, you're deemed to have filed for all benefits you're eligible for. This is called \

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ok but why not just claim at 62 and enjoy the $$ sooner? my uncle waited till 70 and died 2 months later, all that money left on the table smh

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Mei Chen

This is a common misconception. Delaying benefits isn't about maximizing total lifetime benefits - it's about insurance against longevity risk. If someone lives well into their 80s or 90s, delayed benefits provide significantly higher monthly income when they may need it most. Also, for married couples, it can maximize survivor benefits for the lower-earning spouse. Everyone's situation is different, and for many people, maximizing the monthly benefit through delay is the optimal strategy.

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One more thing i learned the hard way - make sure you specificlly tell them you want your benefits to START in January. Don't just say you're applying for benefts AT age 70. If your birthday is in Jan. but you file in Dec. be VERY CLEAR about this!!!

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btw have u looked into an ABLE account? its a special savings account for disabled people that doesnt count against asset limits for benefits. we set one up for my son and can put money in it for him without affecting his ssi eligibility. might be good for your situation if your financially stable and want to save for her

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I've vaguely heard of ABLE accounts but haven't looked into them. That sounds like exactly what we need! We want to save for her future without messing up any benefit eligibility. I'll definitely research this more - thank you!

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To summarize the options for your daughter based on what others have shared: 1. Focus on thorough documentation now rather than applying while your income disqualifies her 2. Consider applying for SSI when she turns 18 (though household support may still affect eligibility) 3. Look into setting up an ABLE account to save money for her future without affecting benefits 4. Understand that for future Childhood Disability Benefits (adult SSDI without work credits), she'll need to prove: - Disability began before age 22 - She remains unmarried - A parent is deceased, retired, or disabled and receiving Social Security The most important thing you can do now is maintain excellent records of all medical appointments, treatments, school accommodations, and how her conditions affect daily functioning. This documentation will be the basis for any future claims.

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This is an incredibly helpful summary - thank you so much! I feel like I have a much clearer roadmap now. We'll focus on documentation and look into the ABLE account right away, then consider SSI when she turns 18 next year. The adult SSDI/CDB requirements make much more sense to me now too.

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i just went through all of this last month! the rule is supposed to be certified copies but honestly depends on which person you get at the office lol. my rep said fax was fine then a different guy called me saying they were unreadable and i had to mail them anyway

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This illustrates why it's best to follow the official requirements rather than relying on individual exceptions. Submitting according to the standard procedure (certified copies via mail or in-person) provides the greatest likelihood of smooth processing without delays.

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One more thing to consider - even if they do accept faxed copies initially, they might still request the certified copies later in the process. I've seen this happen to several people. They think everything is proceeding fine with their application, then weeks later receive a notice requesting the original documents, essentially starting the clock over. If you're trying to maximize your benefits and avoid delays, I'd strongly recommend just following their official procedure from the start.

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That's exactly what I want to avoid. I think I'm going to just make the drive to the office next week and get it over with. Better to spend one day driving than weeks of delays and uncertainty. Thanks for all your help!

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My sister waited 12 weeks and turns out they'd been sending mail to her old address even though she updated it online! Definitely call and check if you haven't heard anything by week 5. Sometimes there's a simple issue holding things up that you can easily fix if you knew about it.

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I went through something similar! Used that Claimyr service I mentioned above to get through to SSA, and it turned out they needed verification of my birth certificate that supposedly they'd mailed a request for weeks earlier. Never received the letter! After providing that, my application was approved within days.

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The SSA's official guidance states that you should allow up to 6 weeks for processing a retirement benefit application. Some factors that affect processing time: - Accuracy and completeness of your application - Whether all earnings are properly posted to your record - Verification of non-covered employment (government jobs with pensions) - Whether you're applying right at FRA, early, or after FRA - Regional SSA office workloads If your application is straightforward, 3-4 weeks is typical. More complex situations can take 6-8 weeks. Anything beyond 8 weeks usually indicates a specific issue that needs resolution.

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Thank you for the detailed explanation! I applied right at my FRA and have some non-covered employment from a 2-year teaching position in the early 80s, so maybe that's contributing to the timeline. I'll be patient for a few more weeks.

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