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Ellie Kim

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I'm so deeply sorry to hear about your wife's health situation - you're facing something unimaginably difficult, and the way you're thoughtfully planning ahead during such an emotional time shows incredible strength and love. This thread has been such a comprehensive resource, and I wanted to add one small but potentially important detail: when you do apply for survivor benefits, make sure to ask SSA about the "protective filing date." If there are any delays in processing your application or gathering required documents, the protective filing date can ensure your benefits start from the earliest possible date rather than when the application is finally completed. Also, since your wife is currently in hospice care, the hospice team may have dealt with Social Security survivor benefit applications before and could potentially provide guidance on timing or required documentation. They understand the emotional challenges families face during this transition and may have practical insights that could help. Your strategy is absolutely sound - collecting survivor benefits while letting your own retirement benefit grow to maximum at 70 is one of the smartest approaches available. The detailed advice everyone has shared here about being explicit with your application and getting everything documented will serve you well. Please take care of yourself during this difficult journey. This community has given you an incredible roadmap, and your careful preparation now will make things much easier when you need to focus on what matters most. You're both in my thoughts.

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Oliver Schulz

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Thank you so much for mentioning the "protective filing date" - that's an incredibly important detail that I hadn't heard about before. Knowing that I can establish an earlier effective date even if there are processing delays could make a real financial difference, especially if there are any complications with gathering documents during an already stressful time. You're also right about checking with the hospice team about their experience with Social Security applications. They've been so helpful with other aspects of this journey, and I hadn't thought to ask them about the administrative side of things. They probably have insights about timing and documentation that could be really valuable. This entire thread has given me such a comprehensive understanding of not just the strategy itself, but all these crucial implementation details that I never would have known to ask about. From the protective filing date to the various support resources to the importance of being explicit about wanting only survivor benefits - I feel like I have a complete playbook now. Having this roadmap gives me such peace of mind knowing that when the time comes, I can focus on grieving and healing while still being confident that I'm handling the financial pieces correctly. This community's knowledge and support has been truly invaluable during one of the most difficult times in my life. Thank you for your thoughtful advice and kind words. They mean more than you know.

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I'm so sorry to hear about your wife's condition - sending you both strength during this incredibly difficult time. I wanted to add one important consideration that might help with your planning: since you're currently 66 and your wife's SSDI converts to retirement benefits in February 2026 (just before your FRA in April), you should know that survivor benefits are calculated based on what your wife would have received at HER full retirement age, not necessarily what she's currently receiving on SSDI. This means the survivor benefit amount might be different from her current SSDI payment. It's worth calling SSA ahead of time to get an estimate of what your survivor benefit would actually be, so you can better plan financially for those years between claiming survivor benefits and switching to your own maximum benefit at 70. Also, one practical tip that might help: consider setting up automatic payments for your essential bills now if you haven't already. When you're dealing with the emotional impact of loss, having one less administrative task to worry about each month can be a real blessing. The strategy you're planning is absolutely solid - taking survivor benefits while letting your own retirement benefit grow to maximum at 70 is one of the best remaining optimization strategies. You're being incredibly thoughtful to plan this out now when you can think clearly. This community has given you excellent advice about being explicit with SSA and getting everything documented. You're as prepared as you can possibly be, which will help tremendously when the time comes.

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Sean Flanagan

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I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! Just turned 66 last month and started my Social Security benefits in March. Sure enough, I got hit with the double Medicare Part B premium payment this month - $203 withdrawn from my bank AND deducted from my SS check. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been both incredibly helpful and absolutely maddening. What really gets me is that during my SSA application interview, the representative never once mentioned this coordination issue. They made it sound like everything would seamlessly transfer over automatically. If I hadn't stumbled across discussions like this, I probably would have let the double payments continue for months without realizing what was happening! I'm planning to call Medicare first thing tomorrow morning using the 1-800-MEDICARE number that everyone has recommended. Based on all the advice shared here, I'll have my Social Security number, Medicare number, and benefit start date ready, and I'll make sure to ask for confirmation numbers for both stopping the bank withdrawals and initiating the refund process. It's absolutely inexcusable that in 2025, two federal agencies can't coordinate something as basic as premium payments. The fact that this affects thousands of people every month according to the Medicare reps really shows this is a massive systemic failure, not just isolated incidents. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences - this thread has been infinitely more helpful than any official government website!

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Mary Bates

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Sean, you're absolutely right to be frustrated about not being warned during your SSA interview - that seems to be a consistent theme throughout this thread! It's really concerning that SSA reps aren't properly preparing people for this coordination nightmare. When you call Medicare tomorrow, I'd suggest also asking them if there's any way they can expedite the refund process since you're calling so quickly after the duplicate payment. Some people in other forums have mentioned that calling within the first few days of the duplicate charge sometimes allows for faster processing. Also, based on what Isabella mentioned about documenting everything, you might want to take a screenshot of your bank statement showing the duplicate charge before you call, just in case there are any issues with the refund later. Good luck with your call tomorrow - hopefully they can get everything sorted out quickly! This thread really has become an invaluable resource for navigating what should be a simple transition but unfortunately isn't.

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CyberNinja

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I'm currently 65 and just enrolled in Medicare Part B while still working, but I'm planning to start my Social Security benefits in about 8 months. This entire thread has been absolutely eye-opening - I had no idea this coordination nightmare between SSA and Medicare was so widespread! Reading through everyone's detailed experiences, it's clear that this isn't just an occasional glitch but a massive systemic failure affecting thousands of people every single month. The fact that Medicare reps immediately recognize these calls as "Social Security transition cases" really shows how routine this problem has become. What's particularly frustrating is learning that SSA representatives consistently fail to warn people about this during application interviews, leaving retirees completely blindsided by double payments. It's 2025 - how is it acceptable that two federal agencies still can't coordinate basic premium payments automatically? Based on all the invaluable advice shared here, I'm already preparing my action plan: call Medicare immediately the day my SS benefits start, have all my account numbers ready (SS, Medicare, bank), request confirmation numbers for both stopping withdrawals and any refund requests, ask for written documentation, take screenshots of bank statements, and monitor everything closely during the transition. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences and creating what's essentially become a survival guide for navigating this bureaucratic mess. This community provides far more practical guidance than any official government resource that somehow completely ignores this widespread coordination failure!

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Manny Lark

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to express my gratitude for this incredibly comprehensive discussion! I'm dealing with a very similar situation - divorced after 12 years, then a shorter second marriage that ended after 5 years. Reading through everyone's experiences has been so enlightening, especially learning that the 10-year rule is such a firm cutoff and that my second marriage won't qualify for benefits. The advice about specifically requesting divorced spouse benefits when applying really stands out to me - it's alarming that SSA doesn't automatically present all options! I'm particularly grateful for the practical tips about gathering documentation early and the heads-up about needing marriage AND divorce certificates. My divorce was finalized in another state, so I'll definitely start that process well in advance based on the advice here. One thing I'm curious about - for those who have successfully claimed divorced spouse benefits, did you find that local SSA offices were more helpful than the phone lines for getting accurate information? I'm wondering if it's worth scheduling an in-person appointment when I'm closer to retirement age rather than dealing with the phone system challenges that several people have mentioned. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences and creating such a supportive, informative discussion!

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Lourdes Fox

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Welcome to the community Manny! I'm also new here and have found this discussion incredibly valuable. Regarding your question about local SSA offices versus phone support - from what I've gathered reading through various experiences shared here, in-person visits tend to be more productive for complex situations like divorced spouse benefits. You get dedicated time with someone who can review your specific case, and there's less chance of getting disconnected or rushed through the conversation. That said, I'd recommend calling ahead to schedule an appointment rather than just walking in, as wait times can be quite long without one. Some people have mentioned that even scheduling the appointment can be challenging by phone, which is where those callback services like Claimyr that were mentioned earlier might be helpful. The advice about starting your document gathering early is so smart, especially since you'll need to get certified copies from another state. I'm in a similar boat with out-of-state divorce papers, and I'm planning to start that process at least a year before I need them, just to avoid any last-minute stress. This whole thread has really opened my eyes to how much preparation is needed - thank you to everyone who shared their experiences!

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Gabriel Ruiz

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm amazed by how thorough and helpful this discussion has been! I'm in a somewhat different situation but dealing with similar Social Security questions - I was married for 16 years, divorced, and now wondering about my future benefit options. What really stands out to me from reading everyone's experiences is how much self-advocacy seems to be required when dealing with SSA. The fact that representatives don't automatically present all available options is both surprising and concerning. It sounds like going in well-prepared with specific questions and knowledge of what you're entitled to is absolutely critical. I'm also struck by how many people mentioned the importance of having documentation ready well in advance. Given that I'll need to get certified copies of both marriage and divorce certificates from my home state, I think I'll start that process soon rather than waiting until I'm closer to retirement age. One question for the group - has anyone found it helpful to consult with a Social Security attorney or advisor before applying, especially for more complex situations involving divorced spouse benefits? I'm wondering if the cost might be worth it to ensure I don't miss any opportunities or make any mistakes in the application process. Thank you all for sharing such detailed, real-world experiences. This community seems incredibly knowledgeable and supportive!

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Luca Russo

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Welcome Gabriel! I'm also new to this community and have been blown away by the wealth of knowledge shared here. Your question about consulting with a Social Security attorney is really insightful - I hadn't considered that option but it makes a lot of sense for complex situations like divorced spouse benefits. From what I've gathered reading through this discussion, there are so many nuances and potential pitfalls (like not specifically asking for divorced spouse benefits, missing deadlines, or not understanding the earnings test implications) that having professional guidance could definitely be valuable. The cost might be worth it just to avoid leaving money on the table or making irreversible mistakes. I've also been thinking about the self-advocacy point you made. It's really eye-opening how much responsibility falls on us to know what we're entitled to and ask the right questions. This thread has been like a masterclass in what to prepare for! Starting your documentation process early is definitely smart. Between this discussion and some research I've done on my own, it seems like having everything organized well in advance reduces stress and gives you more options if you run into any bureaucratic delays. Thanks for bringing up the attorney question - I think that's something many of us should consider as we get closer to retirement age!

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As someone new to this community, I'm really impressed by the comprehensive advice and support everyone has provided here! I'm actually in the early stages of considering adopting my great-nephew (age 5) who currently receives survivor benefits from his father, so this entire discussion has been incredibly valuable for understanding what we might face. One thing I wanted to add that might be helpful - I recently attended a Social Security workshop at our local senior center, and the presenter mentioned something called a "protective filing" that can sometimes be useful in complex situations like this. Essentially, if you think you might be eligible for benefits but aren't sure about timing or documentation, you can file a protective claim that preserves your potential entitlement date while you gather everything needed for a formal application. This might be worth asking about when you meet with SSA, especially given the timing considerations several people have mentioned regarding applying for retirement benefits before or after the adoption is finalized. Also, @Zara Ahmed, I noticed you mentioned planning retirement "within the next year or two" - you might want to check if either you or your wife will qualify for any special timing considerations since you're caring for a child under 16. Sometimes this can affect the optimal timing for benefit applications. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread has become such a comprehensive guide for families navigating these complex benefit situations!

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Welcome to the community! Thank you for bringing up the "protective filing" concept - that's something I hadn't heard of before, but it sounds like it could be really valuable given all the timing considerations that have been discussed in this thread. I'll definitely ask SSA about this when we meet with them, especially since there seems to be some strategic thinking involved around whether to apply for retirement benefits before or after the adoption is finalized. Your point about special timing considerations for caring for a child under 16 is really intriguing too. I hadn't considered that our grandson's age might create additional options or considerations for when we apply for benefits. That's definitely something we'll need to explore further with SSA. It's wonderful that you're considering adopting your great-nephew! The fact that you're researching all of this ahead of time shows you're being just as thoughtful about his future as we're trying to be with our grandson. Based on everything I've learned from this amazing community, it seems like children in these situations are generally well-protected benefit-wise, but the planning and documentation are definitely key to ensuring a smooth transition. That Social Security workshop at your senior center sounds like it was really valuable. I'm wondering if our local senior center offers anything similar - it might be worth looking into for additional perspective beyond what we get directly from SSA. Thank you for adding your insights to this discussion. This community has truly been an incredible resource for navigating these complex situations!

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Amara Chukwu

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm incredibly grateful to have found this comprehensive discussion! I'm currently in a similar situation with my adopted daughter (age 7) who receives survivor benefits from her biological mother, and my husband and I are approaching retirement age. Reading through everyone's experiences has been so enlightening, especially the practical tips about documentation and the various SSA processes involved. One thing I wanted to add that might be helpful - I recently learned from our local AARP chapter that they offer free Social Security counseling sessions where trained volunteers can help you understand benefit calculations and timing strategies. This might be a good complement to meeting directly with SSA, especially for getting a second opinion on the complex benefit interactions you're dealing with. Also, based on what I've read here, I'm planning to create what I'm calling a "benefits roadmap" that outlines all the key decision points and timelines for our situation. This would include things like optimal retirement filing dates, when to notify SSA about the adoption, and what documents to prepare at each stage. It seems like having this kind of strategic overview could help avoid some of the confusion and delays others have experienced. @Zara Ahmed - your proactive approach to researching this thoroughly before the adoption is finalized is so smart! This thread has become such an invaluable resource for families in complex benefit situations. Thank you to everyone who shared their real-world experiences - it's made me feel much more confident about navigating our own path forward.

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Arnav Bengali

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Welcome to the community! Your idea about AARP's free Social Security counseling sessions is fantastic - I had no idea that resource was available! Having trained volunteers who can provide a second opinion on complex benefit interactions sounds incredibly valuable, especially given some of the conflicting information people have mentioned receiving from different SSA representatives. The "benefits roadmap" concept you're developing is brilliant too. Creating a strategic overview with all the key decision points and timelines would definitely help avoid confusion and ensure nothing gets missed. I'm thinking of adapting that idea for our situation - having everything laid out visually with clear milestones and decision points could be really helpful when coordinating between the adoption process and our retirement planning. It's so reassuring to connect with someone in such a similar situation with your 7-year-old daughter! The parallels between our cases make your insights especially relevant. Have you had any preliminary discussions with SSA yet about how your upcoming retirement might interact with her existing survivor benefits? I'm curious if you've encountered any of the timing considerations that others have mentioned. Thank you for adding these valuable resources and strategies to this already incredible thread. This community has truly become such a comprehensive guide for navigating these complex situations. Best of luck with your own benefits planning and retirement preparations!

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Liam McGuire

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This has been such an incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! As someone who just submitted my retirement application online three days ago, I was really struggling with the balance between being cautious about scams and not wanting to miss legitimate SSA contact. Reading through everyone's real experiences has completely transformed my anxiety into confidence. The key insight for me is that legitimate SSA representatives are actually TRAINED to expect verification requests - that completely removes the social pressure I was feeling about seeming uncooperative or rude. I'm implementing several strategies from this thread: keeping a dedicated SSA notebook for documentation, checking my MySSA account before responding to any calls, using the callback verification method with the official 1-800-772-1213 number, and asking for employee IDs/extensions. The technical warning about caller ID spoofing was eye-opening - I definitely would have been fooled by that! I also love the proactive approach of calling SSA myself after a week to check status rather than just waiting anxiously. Thank you all for creating such a comprehensive guide to navigating this process safely - this community is absolutely invaluable for newcomers like me!

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Amara Adeyemi

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Welcome to the community and congratulations on taking such a proactive approach to protecting yourself! I'm also relatively new here and just went through this same emotional journey - from anxiety to confidence - after reading through this amazing thread. What really struck me about your comment is how you mentioned transforming anxiety into confidence, which is exactly how I felt too. The realization that SSA reps are trained to expect verification requests was such a game-changer for me as well. I was putting so much pressure on myself to instantly determine if calls were legitimate, when the reality is that the verification process IS the solution. Your strategy list sounds comprehensive and smart - I'm implementing very similar steps. The proactive calling approach especially appeals to me because it puts us in control rather than just waiting and worrying. Thanks for sharing your experience and adding to this incredible knowledge base. It's so reassuring to connect with others who are going through this process at the same time!

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This thread is incredible! I just submitted my Social Security application online yesterday and was literally panicking about how to handle potential scam calls. Reading through everyone's detailed experiences and advice has been like getting a masterclass in SSA security. What really resonates with me is learning that legitimate SSA representatives are actually trained to EXPECT people to verify their identity - that completely eliminates the worry I had about seeming rude or uncooperative. I'm definitely going to implement the comprehensive approach many of you have outlined: always call back through 1-800-772-1213, ask for employee IDs and extensions, check my MySSA account first, keep detailed documentation, and request written materials when possible. The technical insight about caller ID spoofing was particularly eye-opening - I would have definitely been more trusting of a call showing the official SSA number. I also love the proactive suggestion of calling SSA myself after about a week to check on my application status rather than just waiting anxiously for them to contact me. Thank you all for sharing such practical, real-world advice and creating such a supportive environment for newcomers navigating this process. This community is absolutely invaluable!

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