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What does 'affirm and modified' mean on PA UC appeal decision? Confused!

Just got my appeal decision letter from PA Unemployment and I'm totally confused about what it means. The referee decision says 'affirm and modified' at the top. Does this mean I won my appeal or lost it? The letter is like 3 pages long with all this legal language I don't understand. My employer said I quit but I was actually laid off due to budget cuts. I tried googling what 'affirm and modified' means but couldn't find a clear answer. Has anyone else gotten this decision and know what it actually means for my benefits?

I went through the appeals process last year. When a decision says 'affirm and modified,' it means the referee is partly agreeing with the original determination but changing some aspects of it. Basically, they're confirming some parts of the original decision but modifying others. You need to read through the actual content of the decision letter carefully to understand which parts were affirmed and which were modified. There should be a section called 'Conclusions' or 'Decision' that explains exactly what the referee decided about your eligibility and benefits.

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Thanks for explaining! So it's not a clear win or loss? In the conclusion part it says I'm eligible for benefits but at a different weekly amount than I was getting before. So I guess they're saying I should get benefits (which is good) but they changed the amount (which is confusing)?

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congrats!! sounds like u won but they just changed something about ur claim. thats wat happened 2 me when they said affirm and modified. i think its good news 4 u

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Not necessarily. "Affirm and modified" can go either way depending on what's actually in the decision. It's important to read the whole document, especially the sections about findings of fact and the conclusions. The referee could be affirming that you're eligible but modifying the amount, OR they could be affirming that you're ineligible but modifying the reason why. It really depends on the specific wording in YOUR decision.

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I had something similar happen but mine said "reverse and modified" which was totally different. The appeals system is SO confusing!! Good luck figuring it all out!

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The PA UC appeals system is GARBAGE!!!! I got a decision 6 months ago that I still don't understand. Called 97 times and NEVER got through to a human who could explain what it meant. Their whole system is designed to confuse people so they give up. I ended up having to pay back $4,700 because I misunderstood what my decision meant. WATCH OUT.

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If you're still struggling to reach someone at PA UC about appeals decisions, I'd recommend trying Claimyr. It helped me get through to an actual human at UC when I was getting nothing but busy signals for weeks. I was about to give up until I found their service at claimyr.com - they have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/CEPETxZdo9E?si=WL1ZzVZWG3KiHrg2. I got through to a real person who explained my modified decision and what it meant for my benefits.

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In PA UC terms, 'affirm' means they agree with the original determination, and 'modified' means they changed something about it. So 'affirm and modified' means they basically agreed with the original outcome but altered some detail about it. For example, if your original determination said you were eligible for benefits but calculated your weekly amount incorrectly, the referee might 'affirm' your eligibility but 'modify' the weekly benefit amount calculation. Or if the original determination said you were ineligible for benefits because you quit, but the referee found you were still ineligible but for a different reason (like not meeting work search requirements), that would also be 'affirm and modified.' The key is to carefully read the 'Findings of Fact' and 'Conclusions' sections to understand exactly what they decided.

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Thank you for that detailed explanation! I re-read everything and you're exactly right. They affirmed that I should get benefits (original determination said I was eligible) but modified the weekly amount from $487 to $452 because they recalculated my base year wages. I was worried it was something bad but sounds like I'm good to go - just with a slightly lower payment. Appreciate everyone's help!

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my brother had his appeal modified but he had to wait like 3 weeks for the new payments to start so dont panic if u dont see money right away

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One more important thing - make sure to note the date on the decision letter. Even if you're satisfied with the outcome, you still have 15 days from that date to appeal this decision to the UC Board of Review if you disagree with any part of it (like the modified benefit amount). If you're happy with it, you don't need to do anything more, but keep that appeal deadline in mind just in case.

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Good point! The decision is dated 3/12/2025 so I still have a few days if I wanted to appeal the modified amount. But honestly I'm just relieved they agreed I was eligible after my employer tried to claim I quit. Getting a little less per week is better than nothing!

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That's great news that you got it figured out! For anyone else dealing with PA UC appeals, I'd also recommend keeping detailed records of everything - dates, amounts, correspondence, etc. The appeals process can be really overwhelming but having good documentation helps a lot. Also, if you do decide to appeal further to the Board of Review, make sure you have a clear reason for why you think the modified decision is wrong. Don't appeal just because you want more money - you need to show they made an error in their calculation or interpretation of the law.

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Just wanted to add that if you're still confused about any part of your decision letter, you can also try contacting your local CareerLink office. They sometimes have staff who can help explain UC decisions in plain English. I know the phone lines are impossible to get through, but the in-person offices might be more helpful. Also, some legal aid organizations in PA offer free help with unemployment appeals if you think there might be an error in how they calculated your benefits. Glad you got it sorted out though - sounds like overall it worked out in your favor!

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That's really helpful advice about CareerLink offices! I didn't even think about going in person. The phone system is absolutely terrible - I must have called 50+ times and never got through to anyone who could actually help. It's so frustrating when you're already stressed about money and then you get these confusing legal documents that might as well be written in a foreign language. Thanks for mentioning the legal aid organizations too - that's good to know for anyone who might need more help with their appeals.

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Really glad to see this worked out for you! The PA UC appeals system can be such a nightmare to navigate. I went through something similar last year where I got an "affirm and modified" decision and was panicking thinking I lost my appeal. Turns out they just corrected an error in my wage calculation too. One thing I learned is that "modified" doesn't always mean bad news - sometimes it actually works in your favor if they catch mistakes in the original determination. The key is definitely reading through all those legal sections carefully even though they make it as confusing as possible. Hope your payments start up smoothly with the new amount!

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Thanks for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing. You're absolutely right that "modified" isn't automatically bad news - I was so worried when I first saw those words on my decision letter. It's crazy how they make these documents so hard to understand when people are already dealing with financial stress. I'm definitely keeping all my paperwork organized in case anything else comes up. Hopefully the new payment amount will kick in soon and I can put this whole appeals process behind me!

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Wow, reading through all these responses really shows how confusing the PA UC system can be! I'm dealing with a similar situation right now - got my appeal decision last week and it also says "affirm and modified" but I've been too scared to really dig into what it means. Your experience gives me hope that it might actually be good news. I think the biggest problem is that they use all this legal jargon when most of us just want to know "am I getting benefits or not?" It shouldn't take a law degree to understand whether you won or lost your appeal. Thanks for sharing your story and I'm glad it worked out for you in the end!

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Don't be scared to dig into your decision letter! I totally understand that fear - I was the same way when I first got mine. But honestly, once you get past all the confusing legal language and focus on the "Findings of Fact" and "Conclusions" sections like everyone suggested, it becomes much clearer. You're right that it's ridiculous we need to be legal experts just to understand if we're getting help or not. If it helps, try reading it with someone else or even post about it here - this community has been super helpful! I'm keeping my fingers crossed that your "affirm and modified" turns out to be good news like mine did. The waiting and uncertainty is the worst part, but you've got this!

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I just wanted to thank everyone in this thread for being so helpful! I've been lurking in this community for a while but never posted before. I'm currently waiting on my own appeal decision and reading through all your experiences has been really educational. It's clear that "affirm and modified" can mean different things depending on the specific circumstances, but the key takeaway seems to be to focus on those "Findings of Fact" and "Conclusions" sections rather than getting overwhelmed by the legal terminology. It's frustrating that PA UC makes these decisions so hard to understand, but at least we have communities like this where people actually help each other figure things out. Harper, I'm really glad your situation worked out - getting benefits even at a slightly lower amount is definitely better than nothing, especially when your employer was trying to claim you quit when you were actually laid off!

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Welcome to the community, Evelyn! You're so right that this thread has been incredibly helpful - I've learned more about PA UC appeals from reading everyone's experiences here than I did from trying to decipher the official documentation. It really is a shame that we have to rely on each other to translate what should be straightforward government communications. The fact that so many people are dealing with the same confusion shows there's definitely a problem with how these decisions are written. I hope your appeal goes smoothly and that when you get your decision, it's much clearer what it means! And if it's not, you know this community will be here to help you figure it out. Good luck with everything!

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm currently going through the PA UC appeals process myself and have been dreading getting my decision letter because I had no idea how to interpret all the different outcomes. Reading about your "affirm and modified" experience really breaks it down in a way that makes sense. It sounds like the most important thing is not to panic when you see confusing legal terms and instead focus on the actual conclusions about your eligibility and benefits. Your situation where they affirmed your eligibility but modified the weekly amount seems pretty reasonable - at least they recognized that your employer was wrong about you quitting. I'm bookmarking this thread to refer back to when my decision comes in. Thanks for sharing your experience and congrats on getting it resolved!

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You're absolutely right about not panicking when you see those confusing legal terms! I wish I had found a thread like this when I was going through my appeal - would have saved me so much stress and sleepless nights trying to figure out what everything meant. The key thing I've learned from everyone's experiences here is that you really need to focus on the substance of what they're saying about your specific case rather than getting hung up on the formal language. Harper's situation is a perfect example - "affirm and modified" sounds scary at first, but when you break it down, it actually meant good news overall. I hope your decision comes back with clear language (though let's be honest, it probably won't!), but if not, definitely come back here and share what you're dealing with. This community has been amazing at helping people decode these confusing letters. Good luck with your appeal!

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This entire thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I'm a newer member here and currently dealing with my first PA UC appeal, so seeing everyone break down what "affirm and modified" actually means is super reassuring. Harper, I'm really glad your situation worked out - it sounds like you got the best possible outcome given the circumstances. Your employer trying to claim you quit when you were laid off is exactly the kind of thing that makes these appeals so necessary. What really strikes me from reading all these responses is how much we have to rely on each other to understand what should be straightforward government decisions. It's honestly ridiculous that people dealing with financial stress have to become legal interpreters just to know if they're getting help or not. But I'm grateful for communities like this where people actually take the time to share their experiences and help others navigate this confusing system. Thanks everyone for making this such an educational thread!

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I'm so glad this thread has been helpful for you too, Yara! As someone who's been through the PA UC appeals maze myself, I can't stress enough how important it is to have communities like this where we can actually get real explanations from people who've been there. The fact that Harper's employer tried to claim she quit when she was clearly laid off due to budget cuts just shows how employers sometimes try to game the system to avoid their unemployment insurance costs going up. It's infuriating, but at least the appeals process worked in her favor even if the weekly amount got adjusted. You're absolutely right that it's ridiculous we have to become amateur legal scholars just to understand basic benefit decisions. I've been helping people navigate UC issues for a while now, and the number of times I've seen people give up on valid appeals just because they couldn't decode the legal language is heartbreaking. Keep us posted on how your appeal goes - and don't hesitate to share your decision letter details if you need help interpreting it. We're all in this together!

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This thread has been so incredibly helpful! I'm new to dealing with PA UC appeals and was completely lost when I got my decision letter last month that said "affirm and modified." Like Harper, I was panicking because I had no idea if this was good news or bad news. After reading everyone's explanations, I went back and carefully re-read the "Findings of Fact" and "Conclusions" sections like you all suggested. Turns out my situation was similar - they affirmed my eligibility but modified my weekly benefit amount because they found additional wages from a part-time job I had forgotten to report initially. So instead of the $395 I was originally approved for, I'm getting $418 per week now! Sometimes "modified" really can work in your favor. I think the biggest takeaway from this whole discussion is that these legal terms sound way scarier than they actually are. The PA UC system definitely needs to do better at writing these decisions in plain English, but until then, communities like this are a lifesaver. Thank you Harper for starting this conversation and thank you everyone for sharing your experiences - it made all the difference in understanding my own situation!

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That's fantastic news, Eduardo! Your situation is a perfect example of why we shouldn't panic when we see "affirm and modified" - you actually ended up with MORE money per week because they caught wages you had forgotten about. It's so great when the system actually works in our favor for once! Your experience really reinforces what everyone has been saying throughout this thread - those scary legal terms don't tell the whole story. You have to dig into the actual details to understand what's really happening with your case. And honestly, getting an extra $23 per week adds up to real money over time, especially when you're dealing with unemployment. Thanks for sharing your positive outcome! Stories like yours and Harper's give hope to those of us still navigating this confusing appeals process. It's proof that sometimes all that legal jargon is just wrapping around what turns out to be good news. Congrats on the higher benefit amount - you definitely deserved it after dealing with all that stress and confusion!

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This whole conversation has been incredibly valuable! I'm currently waiting on my PA UC appeal decision and honestly had no idea what to expect when it comes to interpreting the outcome. Reading Harper's experience with "affirm and modified" and seeing Eduardo's positive outcome where he actually got MORE benefits really helps ease some of the anxiety. What I find most frustrating is that we're all dealing with financial uncertainty while trying to decode what should be straightforward government communications. Like everyone has said, it shouldn't take a community of people helping each other translate legal jargon just to understand if we're getting basic assistance or not. The PA UC system really needs to do better at writing these decisions in language that actual humans can understand without needing a law degree. That said, I'm so grateful for threads like this where people share their real experiences and actually help each other out. The advice about focusing on the "Findings of Fact" and "Conclusions" sections instead of getting overwhelmed by all the legal terminology is gold. I'm definitely bookmarking this thread to reference when my decision arrives. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share - this community support makes such a difference when navigating this confusing system!

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Marcus, I totally feel you on the anxiety while waiting for that decision! I just went through this whole process myself a few months ago and the uncertainty is honestly the worst part. Reading through everyone's experiences here really helped me too when I was in your shoes. One thing that really struck me from this thread is how many different ways "affirm and modified" can play out - sometimes it's about benefit amounts being corrected upward like Eduardo's case, sometimes it's about eligibility being confirmed but with adjustments like Harper's situation. The common thread seems to be that it's rarely as catastrophic as it sounds at first glance. You're absolutely right that the PA UC system needs a complete overhaul in how they communicate these decisions. It's almost like they deliberately make it confusing! But honestly, the fact that we have this community where people genuinely help each other decode this stuff gives me hope. When your decision comes in, don't hesitate to post about it if you need help interpreting anything - this group has proven they'll break it down for you. Hang in there, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that your outcome is as positive as the others we've seen here!

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This thread has been such a lifesaver! I'm new to this community and currently dealing with my first PA UC appeal situation. Reading through everyone's experiences with "affirm and modified" decisions has been incredibly educational and honestly pretty reassuring. What really stands out to me is how Harper's initial panic about the confusing legal language turned into relief once she actually understood what her decision meant - getting benefits confirmed even with a slightly adjusted amount is definitely a win, especially when fighting an employer's false claim about quitting versus being laid off. And Eduardo's story where "modified" actually meant MORE money is amazing! It really drives home the point that we can't judge these decisions by the scary legal terms alone. The advice everyone's given about focusing on the "Findings of Fact" and "Conclusions" sections instead of getting overwhelmed by the formal language is so practical and helpful. It's frustrating that we need threads like this to translate what should be clear government communications, but I'm grateful this community exists. The support and real-world experiences people share here make navigating this confusing system so much more manageable. Thanks everyone for being so generous with your knowledge and experiences!

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Welcome to the community, Anastasia! You're absolutely right that this thread has become such a valuable resource for understanding PA UC appeals. It's amazing how Harper's initial confusion turned into a success story, and Eduardo's experience showing that "modified" can actually mean better outcomes really gives hope to everyone going through this process. What I love most about this discussion is how it shows the power of community support when dealing with bureaucratic confusion. The PA UC system really does seem designed to intimidate people with all that legal jargon, but threads like this prove that when we share our experiences and help decode these decisions together, we can navigate even the most confusing government communications. The practical advice about focusing on the key sections rather than getting lost in legal terminology has been mentioned by so many people here - it's clearly the best strategy for anyone facing these decisions. I hope your own UC situation goes smoothly, but if you do end up needing to decode any confusing paperwork, you know this community will be here to help break it down! Thanks for adding to this great discussion.

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This has been such an amazing thread to read through! I'm currently in week 3 of waiting for my PA UC appeal decision and honestly was getting more anxious by the day about what all the possible outcomes might mean. Harper, your experience with "affirm and modified" and how it actually turned out to be good news (even with a slightly lower weekly amount) is so reassuring. And Eduardo - wow, getting MORE money because they found additional wages you forgot about shows that sometimes these modifications really do work in our favor! What strikes me most is how many of us are dealing with the exact same confusion about these legal terms. It really highlights how broken the communication system is when so many people need community help just to understand basic government decisions about their own benefits. The advice everyone's shared about focusing on the "Findings of Fact" and "Conclusions" sections instead of panicking over confusing terminology is invaluable. I'm definitely saving this whole thread to reference when my decision arrives. It's incredible how much clearer everything becomes when real people share their actual experiences instead of trying to decipher official government language. Thanks to everyone who took the time to explain their situations - this community support makes such a difference when you're already stressed about finances and then get hit with incomprehensible legal documents!

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