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Jasmine Hernandez

What is Form 990-T and when does it apply to IRA investments with MLPs?

I got this weird letter from Vanguard about providing deduction info for some Master Limited Partnership (MLP) investments in my Roth IRA. Apparently they'll decide if 990-T filings are needed if something called Unrelated Business Income Tax (UBIT) from my MLP investment exceeds $1000. Looking at my Roth investments, I bought about 25 shares of EPD at $43 back in 2021, and some more in 3/22. They're currently underwater so I guess I don't need to worry about paying any tax or excise fee (that's what the letter says anyway). I'm just trying to understand: 1. What exactly is Form 990-T? Who has to file it? 2. What is UBI and why is it connected to my EPD investment? And why do they call it an "excise fee" instead of a tax? 3. So if I eventually make $1000+ profit in the future by selling EPD, would I need to pay this excise fee and report income to the IRS on Form 990-T?

Form 990-T is actually a tax return used by tax-exempt organizations, including IRAs, to report "unrelated business taxable income" (UBTI). Even though your Roth IRA is generally tax-exempt, certain investments like MLPs (Master Limited Partnerships) can generate income that's considered unrelated to the tax-exempt purpose of the retirement account. MLPs like EPD often engage in active business operations and pass through income to investors. When held in tax-exempt accounts like your Roth, this creates UBTI. If that income exceeds $1,000 in a year, the IRA custodian (Vanguard in your case) needs to file Form 990-T. The reason it's called an "excise fee" is because it's essentially a tax on income that would normally be tax-exempt - it's the government's way of preventing tax-exempt entities from running businesses tax-free that compete with regular taxable businesses. Since your investment is currently at a loss, you don't need to worry about this right now. But yes, if your EPD investment eventually generates significant income (over $1,000 UBTI), your custodian would file the 990-T and you'd effectively pay tax on that portion, even within your Roth IRA.

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So does this mean I should avoid MLPs in my retirement accounts completely? I have some MPLX in my traditional IRA and never got any letters about this.

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Many investors do avoid MLPs in retirement accounts specifically because of these UBTI complications. The tax advantages that make MLPs attractive in taxable accounts can actually create tax headaches in tax-exempt accounts like IRAs. For your MPLX holdings, it's possible the UBTI generated hasn't crossed the $1,000 threshold that triggers reporting requirements. Different MLPs generate different levels of UBTI, and the amount can vary year to year based on the partnership's operations and profitability.

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Just wanted to update - I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it was incredibly helpful with my MLP situation! Uploaded my statements from both Schwab and Fidelity, and it immediately flagged the potential UBTI issues with my enterprise products MLP. Explained exactly how the 990-T process works when holding these in retirement accounts. The most useful part was being able to see potential tax implications before they happen. I'm actually considering moving those investments to my taxable account now. Definitely saved me from a future headache!

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An important point about MLPs in retirement accounts - the UBTI calculation can be complex. It's not just about whether you sold for a profit. MLPs generate UBTI through their ongoing operations, which flows to your account even if you never sell the shares. So you could potentially trigger Form 990-T filing requirements just by holding the MLP and receiving distributions, even without selling. This is why many investors prefer MLP ETFs (like AMLP or MLPA) in retirement accounts, as they're structured to avoid the UBTI issues.

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Wait so even if I don't sell my EPD shares, I could still end up with this UBTI thing just from holding them? How would I even know how much UBTI is being generated?

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Exactly. MLPs pass through income (and losses) to partners regardless of whether you sell your shares. This is part of their partnership structure and what makes them different from regular corporations. Your MLP should provide you with a Schedule K-1 each year that breaks down different types of income, including amounts that could generate UBTI. However, the custodian of your IRA (Vanguard) is responsible for tracking this for investments held in your retirement account and filing the 990-T if necessary. That's why they sent you that letter - they're requesting information about possible deductions to offset any UBTI.

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For what its worth, I ditched individual MLPs in my retirement accounts after dealing with this 990-T headache for two years. Switched to the Global X MLP ETF instead, which avoids the UBTI issue completely while still giving exposure to the sector.

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Did you see any difference in the distributions after switching to the ETF? I'm debating doing the same thing but don't want to lose the income.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation with some KMI shares in my traditional IRA. Based on what everyone's shared, it sounds like the key takeaway is that MLPs can generate UBTI regardless of whether you sell them, just from their ongoing business operations. @Jasmine Hernandez - to answer your question about knowing how much UBTI is generated, your MLP should send a Schedule K-1 each year that breaks down the different types of income. But since it's in your IRA, Vanguard handles the tracking and will file the 990-T if your UBTI exceeds $1,000. I'm seriously considering switching to MLP ETFs after reading this. The tax complications seem to outweigh the benefits when holding individual MLPs in retirement accounts. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world info you can't easily find elsewhere!

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