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Unexpected UBTI tax liability in IRA and Roth IRA after MLP bankruptcy - How is this possible?

I need some advice on a confusing tax situation that just came up with my father's retirement accounts at Fidelity. Back in 2018, we bought shares in Coalcrest Partners (CLPT), a coal MLP, in both his Rollover IRA and Roth IRA. During the years we owned it, there was never any UBTI generated. Unfortunately, CLPT filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in February 2023 and then emerged from bankruptcy in May. The investment was a complete loss for us: **Rollover IRA** * Total investment: $84,385 * Total loss: $84,385 **Roth IRA** * Total investment: $103,112 * Total loss: $103,112 The shares were completely liquidated in June 2023. We thought that was the end of it. Now out of nowhere, Fidelity has sent us two 990-T forms (one for each account) showing UBTI tax liability: **Rollover IRA** * UBTI: $8,762 * Tax Due: $1,685 **Roth IRA** * UBTI: $60,443 * Tax Due: $20,742 I'm completely baffled by this. How can a company generate UBTI after bankruptcy when it never did while operating? Was some kind of debt restructuring counted as income for former shareholders? That seems absurd when we lost our entire investment! What's even more puzzling is the massive difference in tax liability between the accounts. The investments were made on identical dates with the following breakdown: Rollover IRA: 13,782 shares, basis $84,385, 100% loss * UBTI taxes owed: $1,685 Roth IRA: 16,812 shares, basis $103,112, 100% loss * UBTI taxes owed: $20,742 The Roth had only about 22% more shares but somehow owes more than 12 times the tax! Shouldn't income/loss be attributed proportionally to shareholders? The Schedule D attached to the forms doesn't match our actual losses either. Should we call Fidelity to investigate? Could this be an error in how the forms were prepared? To make matters worse, they filed late and now IRS penalties have been added. I'm completely lost on what to do next.

This is definitely concerning, but unfortunately not uncommon with MLPs held in retirement accounts. Here's what's likely happening: When an MLP goes through bankruptcy restructuring, debt forgiveness is often treated as income to the partners (which includes IRA accounts that held the MLP). This "phantom income" can trigger UBTI even when you suffered a complete investment loss. It's one of the cruel ironies of tax law - you can lose everything and still owe taxes. As for the huge difference between the Rollover and Roth accounts, this likely comes down to the tax brackets applied. UBTI in retirement accounts is taxed using trust tax rates, which escalate very quickly. The Roth likely hit a much higher bracket than the Traditional IRA, causing the disproportionate tax liability. The first thing you should do is request a detailed explanation from Fidelity about how these UBTI calculations were determined. Ask specifically about the breakdown between ordinary income, capital gains/losses, and debt forgiveness income. You need to understand exactly what generated this liability. You should also consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in UBTI issues. This is complex territory, and the penalties for missteps can be substantial.

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Wait, so even if you lose ALL your money in an MLP inside an IRA, you can still owe taxes? That's insane! Does this happen with other investments or just MLPs? I was thinking about buying some energy partnerships in my 401k but now I'm scared.

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MLPs and other publicly traded partnerships have this unique tax treatment because they're pass-through entities. When held in taxable accounts, you can usually offset phantom income with losses, but retirement accounts don't get that benefit. This is why financial advisors generally recommend against holding MLPs in retirement accounts altogether. Most regular stocks, bonds, ETFs, and mutual funds don't generate UBTI, so those are perfectly fine to hold in retirement accounts. Just be wary of investments that issue K-1 forms rather than 1099s - those are generally the ones that can create these tax headaches.

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Did you have to pay for this service? I'm dealing with a similar issue but with a different partnership investment. My custodian is telling me I owe about $8k in UBTI taxes, which seems completely wrong.

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How long did the whole process take? I've been fighting with Vanguard for months over a similar UBTI issue and they keep giving me the runaround. I'm wondering if this would speed things up.

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You do pay for the service, but it was worth every penny considering how much I saved. They have different pricing tiers depending on how complex your situation is. The process took about two weeks from uploading my documents to getting their analysis. Once I had their report, my custodian reviewed it and adjusted the UBTI calculation within another week. So all in, less than a month to resolve something I'd been struggling with for over three months on my own. It's definitely worth checking out if you're hitting walls with your custodian.

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Just wanted to report back - I took the advice and tried taxr.ai for my UBTI issue with my oil & gas MLP in my IRA. Best decision ever! They found that my custodian was incorrectly allocating ordinary income that should have been classified as return of capital after the partnership's restructuring. Their analysis showed exactly which parts of the bankruptcy agreement applied to my shares and how the income should have been properly classified. The most amazing part was that they generated a detailed letter citing specific tax laws that I sent to my custodian, who then revised the 990-T. My tax liability went from over $12,000 down to just $1,800! I was skeptical at first since this seemed like such a specialized tax issue, but they clearly have experts who understand the complexities of MLP bankruptcy and UBTI. Wish I'd known about them months ago instead of losing sleep over this.

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Listen, I've spent countless hours trying to get through to the IRS about UBTI issues in my retirement accounts. Their "specialized" departments are impossible to reach. After weeks of frustration, I used https://claimyr.com to connect with the IRS. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c They essentially wait on hold with the IRS for you and call you when an agent picks up. I was connected to an actual UBTI specialist who explained that custodians often miscalculate UBTI from bankruptcies because they don't properly apply the bankruptcy court rulings to the tax calculations. The agent confirmed that I needed to have my custodian review the actual bankruptcy settlement terms, which apparently specify how income should be allocated. This was crucial information I couldn't get anywhere else.

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How does this actually work though? Do they just sit on hold and then call you? Doesn't the IRS need to verify your identity before discussing your account?

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Sounds like a scam to me. No way the IRS is going to talk to some third party about your private tax information. Plus, I doubt any real IRS agent would tell you your custodian is wrong - they'd just tell you to pay what's on the form.

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They don't discuss your account with the IRS at all. They simply wait on hold and then call you when an agent is about to pick up. You're the one who speaks with the IRS directly - they just eliminate the 2-3 hour hold time. When the agent comes on the line, you're the one talking to them, not Claimyr. The IRS does verify your identity when you speak with them, but that happens after Claimyr connects you. Think of it like having someone physically wait in line for you at the DMV, then texting you when it's almost your turn so you can walk in right when your number is called.

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I need to apologize to everyone and especially to Profile 3. I tried Claimyr today after being skeptical, and it actually worked exactly as described. I've been trying to reach someone at the IRS about UBTI in my retirement accounts for three weeks with no success. Claimyr connected me within 90 minutes (versus the 3+ hours I spent on previous attempts without ever reaching anyone). The IRS agent I spoke with confirmed that custodians often apply standard calculation methods to bankruptcy-related UBTI that don't reflect the specific terms of each bankruptcy settlement. She advised me to request the complete bankruptcy settlement documents and have my tax professional review the specific terms regarding how debt forgiveness and restructuring should be treated for tax purposes. This could significantly reduce my liability. I'm still annoyed about owing taxes on an investment where I lost everything, but at least now I understand what's happening and have a path forward. Sometimes it's worth admitting when you're wrong about something!

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I dealt with this exact issue last year as a tax professional. Here's what most people don't realize: when an MLP goes through bankruptcy, the settlement usually includes specific terms about how debt forgiveness is allocated among partners. In many cases, a substantial portion is classified as return of capital rather than income, which reduces or eliminates UBTI. The problem is that custodians often apply a "default" calculation that doesn't account for these specifics. Request these documents from your custodian: 1. Complete bankruptcy settlement agreement 2. K-1 package from the final year 3. Detailed calculation worksheet showing how they determined UBTI The huge disparity between your Rollover and Roth accounts strongly suggests a calculation error. The proportional UBTI should generally align with your ownership percentages. Also, file Form 5329 to request a waiver of the penalties due to reasonable cause. The fact that the custodian filed late provides good grounds for this.

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Thank you so much for this detailed advice. I've requested all those documents from Fidelity today. They seemed confused at first but eventually said they'd have their tax department pull everything together. Do you think it's worth paying for a consultation with a tax professional who specializes in this area? I'm worried about navigating this on my own, especially with those penalty fees mounting up.

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Absolutely get a professional involved. This is specialized territory that most general tax preparers won't have experience with. Look for someone who specializes in partnership taxation or UBTI issues specifically. Given the amounts involved (potentially over $20,000 in tax liability), spending $500-1,000 on professional help could save you thousands. They can review the bankruptcy documents and correctly interpret how the debt forgiveness should be allocated, then help you challenge the custodian's calculations if necessary. Don't wait too long though - there are time limits for contesting these assessments, usually 60-90 days from when the forms were filed. The penalty waiver request should be filed as soon as possible.

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Has anyone successfully contested a 990-T prepared by their custodian? My Schwab account had an MLP that generated UBTI through a similar bankruptcy situation, and I think they calculated it wrong, but I don't know if I have any recourse.

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Yes! I successfully got Vanguard to amend mine last year. The key was getting the actual bankruptcy court documents that showed how the debt cancellation was supposed to be treated. In my case, about 70% was actually return of capital, not income. The custodian had initially treated 100% as income. I had to be persistent though - it took multiple calls, emails with specific citations from the bankruptcy documents, and eventually escalation to a supervisor. The amended 990-T reduced my tax bill by almost $9,000.

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This is such a frustrating situation, and unfortunately you're not alone in dealing with UBTI surprises from bankrupt MLPs. The key issue here is that bankruptcy debt forgiveness often gets misclassified by custodians. A few immediate steps I'd recommend: 1. **Request the complete bankruptcy settlement documents** from Fidelity - specifically look for how debt cancellation income was allocated between return of capital vs. taxable income. Many bankruptcy settlements classify a significant portion as return of capital, which shouldn't generate UBTI. 2. **Challenge the disproportionate allocation** between your accounts. With only 22% more shares in the Roth but 12x the tax liability, something is clearly wrong. The UBTI should be allocated proportionally to your ownership. 3. **File Form 5329 immediately** to request penalty relief due to reasonable cause (the custodian's late filing). This alone could save you significant money. 4. **Get professional help** - given the $20K+ potential liability, spending $500-1000 on a tax pro who specializes in UBTI/partnership taxation could save you thousands. The fact that multiple people in this thread have successfully contested similar situations with their custodians is encouraging. Don't just accept these numbers - the calculations are often wrong, especially for complex bankruptcy situations. Time is critical though - you typically have 60-90 days to contest these assessments, so act quickly.

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This is exactly the roadmap I needed! I'm definitely going to follow these steps. One quick question though - when you mention requesting the "complete bankruptcy settlement documents," should I be asking Fidelity specifically for the court filings, or is there a particular document name I should use? I want to make sure I'm asking for the right thing so they don't just send me generic paperwork. Also, has anyone had success getting penalty relief on Form 5329 for this type of situation? I'm worried the IRS might not consider the custodian's late filing as "reasonable cause" for my penalty relief.

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Ask Fidelity specifically for the "Plan of Reorganization" and "Disclosure Statement" from the CLPT bankruptcy case - these are the key documents that detail how debt cancellation and asset distributions were classified. You might also want to request the final K-1 package which should include explanatory statements about the bankruptcy treatment. Regarding Form 5329 penalty relief, custodian late filing is generally considered reasonable cause, especially when you had no control over the timing. I've seen several cases where the IRS granted relief in similar situations. The key is to clearly explain that the penalties resulted from your custodian's administrative error, not your own negligence. Include documentation showing when Fidelity actually filed the forms versus when they should have been filed. One other tip - if you get pushback from Fidelity's regular customer service, ask to speak with their "UBTI specialist" or "partnership tax department." The front-line reps often don't understand these complex situations, but they usually have specialized teams that handle these issues.

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This is exactly why I always warn people about holding MLPs in retirement accounts - the UBTI complications can be nightmarish, especially during bankruptcy situations. What you're experiencing is unfortunately common: when MLPs restructure debt during bankruptcy, the forgiven debt often gets treated as taxable income to partners, even when you've lost your entire investment. It's one of the most unfair aspects of tax law. The massive difference between your IRA and Roth tax liability is a red flag though. UBTI calculations should generally be proportional to ownership, so having 12x the tax on only 22% more shares suggests a calculation error. Here's what I'd do immediately: 1. **Don't pay anything yet** - you likely have 60-90 days to contest these calculations 2. **Request the bankruptcy Plan of Reorganization** from Fidelity - this document will show exactly how debt forgiveness was supposed to be allocated (often much of it is return of capital, not income) 3. **Get the detailed UBTI calculation worksheets** - custodians often use generic templates that don't account for specific bankruptcy terms 4. **File Form 5329 for penalty relief** - the custodian's late filing gives you strong grounds for "reasonable cause" I've seen many cases where initial UBTI calculations from bankruptcies were wrong by tens of thousands of dollars. The custodians just don't have the expertise to properly interpret complex bankruptcy settlements. Given the amounts involved, this is definitely worth hiring a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation. A $1,000 consultation could easily save you $15,000+ in taxes and penalties. Don't let Fidelity brush you off - escalate to their UBTI specialists if needed. You have rights here, and these calculations are often wrong.

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm definitely not paying anything until I understand exactly how these calculations were done. The 12x difference between accounts with similar investments makes no sense at all. I had no idea that bankruptcy debt forgiveness could be classified differently - the idea that some of it might be return of capital rather than taxable income gives me hope that this nightmare might be fixable. One question though - when you mention escalating to Fidelity's "UBTI specialists," do you know if they actually have people who understand these complex bankruptcy situations? I'm worried I'll just get transferred around to different departments who don't really know what they're talking about. Also, does anyone know roughly how long the process typically takes to get these calculations reviewed and potentially corrected? I'm stressed about the clock ticking on those contest deadlines while trying to gather all the documentation.

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