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Emma Morales

Need help understanding US-Mexico tax filing requirements for dual income (US citizen with Mexican permanent residency)

I'm trying to figure out the tax situation for my mom who's a US citizen but has permanent residency in Mexico. She splits her time between both countries (roughly 60% US, 40% Mexico) and just purchased a vacation rental property in Mexico that she'll be renting out starting next year. She already files US taxes for her rental income from properties she owns in the States. We found a local accountant in Mexico who'll help with the Mexican tax filing for the new vacation rental income, but I'm confused about how everything works with the dual country situation. I understand there's a tax treaty between US and Mexico to prevent double taxation, and she'll need to report the Mexican rental income on her US return. But my main question is about her Mexican tax obligations. From what I've read, Mexico requires reporting of worldwide income for permanent residents. Does this mean she has to include ALL her US income (rental properties, retirement accounts, etc.) on her Mexican tax return? I originally thought she'd only need to pay Mexican taxes on the income from the property located in Mexico. Is she really required to disclose her entire financial situation to the Mexican tax authorities too? Any insights on how this works would be super helpful!

You're right that this gets complicated when someone has permanent residency in two countries. The US-Mexico tax treaty helps but doesn't eliminate all the complications. As a US citizen, your mom always has to file US taxes on her worldwide income, regardless of where she lives. That's just how US citizenship works tax-wise. For Mexico, as a permanent resident, she technically does need to report her worldwide income to Mexican tax authorities. However, there are some important nuances: 1) The physical presence test matters - if she spends less than 183 days in Mexico during the calendar year, she might qualify as a non-resident for tax purposes despite having permanent residency status. 2) The tax treaty between the US and Mexico prevents double taxation through foreign tax credits. So if she pays tax on her US rental income to the US, she can typically claim that as a credit against Mexican taxes. 3) Some types of income like certain retirement accounts may be protected from double taxation through specific provisions in the treaty. I'd strongly recommend working with a tax professional who specializes in US-Mexico cross-border taxation since these situations get very specific to individual circumstances.

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Thanks for the detailed response! The 183-day rule is really interesting - she's definitely under that threshold in Mexico. Do you know if having permanent residency status in Mexico overrides the physical presence test? Or would she still be considered a non-resident for tax purposes if she's there less than 183 days? Also, do you have any idea how strict Mexico is about enforcing the worldwide income reporting requirements for permanent residents who primarily live in the US?

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The permanent residency status and the 183-day rule work together but differently. In many cases, the physical presence test can override permanent residency status for tax purposes. If she's physically present in Mexico for less than 183 days in the calendar year, she may be able to establish that her tax residency is actually in the US despite having permanent residency status in Mexico. Mexico has been increasing enforcement of tax regulations in recent years, particularly for higher income individuals and those with significant assets. That said, their primary focus tends to be on income generated within Mexico. The tax authorities are more concerned with making sure income earned in Mexico is properly reported than tracking every dollar earned outside the country. Still, compliance is important since penalties for unreported income can be significant if discovered during an audit.

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How does it handle retirement accounts? My parents are in a similar situation but my dad has a 401k and some IRAs, and the Mexican accountant they talked to seemed confused about how those should be reported on Mexican returns.

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Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai for our similar situation. It worked even better than I expected! Uploaded my parents' documents from both countries and it clearly showed that my dad only needed to report his Mexican property income to Mexico, not his US retirement accounts. Turns out there's a specific provision in the US-Mexico tax treaty (Article 17 I think?) that protects retirement income from double taxation. The platform explained exactly why his 401k and IRAs were exempt from Mexican reporting requirements due to his specific residency situation (under 183 days in Mexico). Best $100 I've spent on tax help - way cheaper than the $3000+ quote we got from the cross-border specialist we consulted first. The document is super detailed and my parents' Mexican accountant was actually grateful to have such clear guidance.

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How does that even work? Mexico's tax authority phone system is notorious for being impossible to navigate. Are they just constantly redialing or something?

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Sounds fishy. Why would I need a service to call a government agency? Can't I just call them myself? Or is this just a way to get people to pay for something they could do on their own?

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They use a system that navigates the phone menus automatically and holds your place in line. When a real agent picks up, they text you and connect you immediately. I was skeptical too until I tried it - after wasting days trying to get through myself. For the Mexican tax authority specifically, the phone system is especially difficult if you're calling from the US. Many of the menu options are different depending on where you're calling from, and the wait times can be 3+ hours during busy periods. The service basically waits on hold so you don't have to.

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Well I owe an apology. After my skeptical comment I decided to try Claimyr for myself since I was getting nowhere with SAT on my own. Got connected to an agent in 25 minutes after spending DAYS trying on my own. The agent clarified that for permanent residents spending less than 183 days in Mexico (like in your mom's case), there's actually a special tax status called "permanent resident with non-Mexican fiscal residence." Basically means she DOES have to file taxes in Mexico, but only on Mexican-source income. The key is filing the right form declaring her primary tax residence is in the US. Without that form, Mexico defaults to requiring worldwide income reporting. The agent even emailed me the specific form number and instructions after our call. Never thought I'd say this but that service was totally worth it. Saved me from potentially major tax headaches.

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I'm a dual US-Mexican citizen and went through this exact situation. One thing nobody mentioned yet is that your mom should look into getting a RFC (Mexican tax ID) if she doesn't have one already. You can't properly file taxes in Mexico without it. Also, if she does qualify as a non-resident for Mexican tax purposes (under 183 days), she'll be subject to different tax rates on her Mexican rental income than residents. Sometimes these rates are actually more favorable, sometimes not - depends on her specific situation. Another consideration: Mexico has wealth reporting requirements for assets over certain thresholds. This is separate from income reporting but something she should be aware of if she has substantial assets.

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Thanks so much for the additional tips! She does have her RFC already, thankfully. Do you know if the wealth reporting requirements would apply if she's considered a non-resident for tax purposes? She does have some significant assets in the US.

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If she qualifies as a non-resident for tax purposes, the wealth reporting requirements typically wouldn't apply to her assets outside of Mexico. She would only need to potentially report Mexican assets above the threshold. This is assuming she properly files the declaration establishing her primary tax residency in the US. One thing I forgot to mention - make sure she keeps detailed records of her days in each country. Mexican tax authorities can ask for proof of her physical presence, especially if she's claiming non-resident status. Having flight records, border crossing documentation, and even credit card statements showing location can be really helpful if there's ever a question about her status.

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Has anyone dealt with rental income specifically across borders? I'm wondering about vacation rental platform payments (like Airbnb) - does it matter if the payments go to a US bank account vs Mexican account? Does that change where the income is considered sourced from?

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In my experience, the source of rental income is based on where the property is located, not where the payments are received. If the property is in Mexico, the income is Mexican-sourced regardless of whether Airbnb deposits it in a US or Mexican bank account. That said, having the money flow into a Mexican account can simplify things for Mexican tax reporting. It also helps with currency conversion documentation since you won't have to explain exchange rates for each transaction.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with something similar for my sister who just got her Mexican permanent residency but still works remotely for a US company. One thing I learned from our tax attorney is that the timing of when your mom establishes her tax residency status in Mexico matters a lot. If she files the declaration for US primary tax residence early in the tax year, it can help avoid complications later. Also, since she's starting the vacation rental next year, now would be a perfect time to set up proper record-keeping systems for both countries. The Mexican tax authority is getting much more sophisticated about cross-referencing rental platform data (Airbnb, VRBO, etc.) with tax filings. Having clean books from day one will save headaches later. For the rental property specifically, make sure she understands the depreciation rules in both countries - they're calculated differently and this can affect her overall tax strategy significantly.

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