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Don't forget the other option - you can visit your local IRS Taxpayer Assistance Center in person! You need to schedule an appointment first (call 844-545-5640), but I've found it WAY easier to get through on that appointment line than the general IRS number. When I had a missing W-2 issue two years ago, I got an appointment within a week. Brought my last paystub, explained the situation, and they helped me fill out the 4852 right there. The agent even called my employer while I was sitting there!
That's a great suggestion! Is there anything specific I would need to bring to the appointment besides my last paystub? Would I need to bring a partially completed 4852 form too?
Definitely bring your ID, Social Security card, last paystub, and any communication you've had with your employer about the missing W-2. It's helpful to bring a partially completed Form 4852 too, but not required - they can help you fill it out from scratch if needed. Also bring your previous year's tax return if you have it, as this helps them verify your identity. And if you've already started working on this year's return, bring that draft too. The more documentation you have, the smoother the appointment will go!
Has anyone had issues after filing with Form 4852? I'm in the same boat (can't reach IRS, employer ghosting me on W-2) but worried about potential audits or delays in processing my return.
Just an additional tip - when you send your response to the CP 2000, make sure to include Form 1040-X (Amended Return) if you're changing anything on your original return. I learned this the hard way when my first response got rejected because I just sent a letter explaining the changes without the official form. Also, keep copies of EVERYTHING you send, and if possible, send your response via certified mail so you have proof of delivery. The IRS has been known to "lose" documentation.
Do you need to send Form 1040-X even if you're just providing documentation but not actually changing any numbers on your return? My CP 2000 is just asking for proof of a deduction I already claimed.
If you're not changing any numbers and just providing supporting documentation for what you already claimed, you typically don't need to submit Form 1040-X. Just include a clear explanation letter referencing your CP 2000 notice number along with your documentation. However, you should still use the response form that came with your CP 2000 notice to indicate whether you agree or disagree with their findings. That form is crucial for proper processing.
Has anyone had success with requesting a payment plan through the CP 2000 response? I got hit with a similar notice and owe around $3000, but there's no way I can pay that all at once right now.
Yes! I just went through this. When you respond to the CP 2000, there's usually a payment options section on the response form. You can check the box indicating you can't pay in full. Once they process your response and send the final bill, you can set up an installment agreement online through the IRS website for balances under $50,000. I set mine up for $100/month and it was super easy to do online. Just make sure you actually set it up once you get the final bill - don't ignore it or they'll start collections.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think actually doing your taxes is the best simulator. I just use the free fillable forms on the IRS website and follow the instructions. If you mess up, the system usually catches calculation errors. My strategy: I do a "practice run" of my taxes in January before all my official forms arrive, using my best estimates. Then when I get all my real documents, I do the official version. The practice run helps me understand what deductions I should be looking for and how different scenarios might play out.
But doesn't that risk submitting incorrect information to the IRS if you make a mistake? I'd be terrified of accidentally committing tax fraud or something.
Has anyone tried UnderstandTax app? My friend recommended it - supposedly it has mini-games that teach you different aspects of tax code. One game has you sort expenses into deductible vs non-deductible piles for different scenarios (W2 employee vs 1099 contractor). Another has you calculate tax liability based on different inputs. I haven't tried it myself yet but I'm thinking about downloading it. Anyone have experience with it?
I downloaded it last month! It's actually pretty decent. The deduction sorting game helped me understand what I could write off for my side business versus my day job. They also have a tax bracket visualization tool that shows how marginal tax rates actually work (which cleared up so many misconceptions I had). The app isn't super polished but definitely helped me understand some tax concepts better than just reading about them. They have a free version with basic games and a paid version with more complex scenarios.
Important tip from my experience with CP2000 notices: make copies of EVERYTHING you send to the IRS. I made the mistake of sending original documents and the IRS claimed they never received them. Send your response via certified mail so you have proof of delivery. For the wash sale issue specifically, create a chronological spreadsheet of all your trades for each security. It makes it much easier for the IRS to follow your calculations when they can see the complete trading pattern. I color-coded mine to highlight the wash sales, which the IRS agent later told me was extremely helpful.
Do you think it's better to mail the response or use the online response option mentioned in some CP2000 notices? I'm worried about documents getting lost in the mail but also wonder if the online system properly handles all the attachments I need to send.
I'd recommend using both methods if possible. The online response system is convenient, but in my experience, it has limitations with the number and size of attachments you can upload. What I did was submit the basic response online and noted that additional supporting documentation was being sent by certified mail. When you mail physical documents, always use certified mail with return receipt requested. This gives you proof that they received your package and when. For online submissions, take screenshots of your confirmation page and save any confirmation emails or numbers they provide.
Has anyone dealt with a CP2000 related to a brokerage transfer where there were BOTH wash sales AND $0 cost basis issues? My situation is complicated because I had legitimate wash sales that I should have reported, but also have transfer issues causing incorrect reporting. Should I address these as separate issues in my response or combine them?
I recommend addressing them as separate issues in your response for clarity. First, explain the brokerage transfer and provide documentation showing the correct cost basis for those securities. Then separately address the wash sale transactions, acknowledging those were legitimate but explaining how they affected your overall gains/losses.
Omar Zaki
I'm a real estate investor with 7 properties and want to add another perspective. There are some scenarios where you might consider not taking maximum depreciation, though they're rare: 1. If you're already showing a loss on the property and are limited by passive activity loss limitations (and don't qualify as a real estate professional), additional depreciation might not help you this year anyway 2. If you're in a very low tax bracket now but expect to be in a much higher bracket in future years, the benefit of the deduction might be greater later (though as others mentioned, you're technically required to take it) 3. If you're doing a 1031 exchange and plan to keep exchanging properties until death, the depreciation recapture can be continuously deferred But for most typical investors, maxing out legitimate depreciation deductions and investing the tax savings is absolutely the optimal strategy. Just make sure you're documenting everything properly in case of an audit.
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CosmicCrusader
ā¢What about component depreciation or cost segregation studies? I've heard those can front-load even more depreciation. Are those worth doing for a small investor with just 1-2 properties, or are they only worthwhile for larger portfolios?
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Omar Zaki
ā¢Cost segregation studies absolutely can be worth it even for small investors with 1-2 properties, especially for properties with higher improvement values (like $300K+ in building value). These studies typically identify 20-30% of a building's components that can be depreciated over 5, 7, or 15 years instead of 27.5 years. The sweet spot is usually properties purchased in the last 1-3 years with significant improvement value. The studies themselves typically cost $3,000-$7,000 depending on property size and complexity, but can generate tax savings of $15,000-$50,000 in the first year for many properties. Just make sure you work with a reputable firm that has experience defending their studies in IRS audits if needed.
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Chloe Robinson
Quick question - if I sell a rental property at a loss (selling price less than my original purchase price), do I still have to pay the depreciation recapture tax? The market in my area has dropped and I might need to sell my rental for about 25k less than I paid for it.
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Diego Flores
ā¢Yes, you still have to pay depreciation recapture even if you sell at an overall loss. The IRS treats the depreciation recapture as a separate calculation from your capital gain/loss. So you could have a capital loss on the sale but still owe depreciation recapture tax on all the depreciation you claimed (or should have claimed) during ownership. It's one of the nastier surprises in real estate taxation.
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