Double Tax Treaty Spain-USA: What happens as tax resident in both countries?
I'm in a bit of a dilemma and could really use some tax advice! I have dual citizenship (USA and Spain) and currently work for a major tech company in the States that has a flexible remote work policy. My plan is to move to Spain for at least 183 days next year (to be closer to my aging grandparents), but I'll still be spending chunks of time (definitely more than 31 days) back in the US where most of my immediate family lives. I won't be buying property in Spain - just renting an apartment in Barcelona. The thing is, I think this arrangement means I'll technically be a tax resident in BOTH countries according to their respective rules? I'm trying to figure out how the Double Tax Treaty between Spain and USA would apply in my situation. From what I understand, I'll continue paying my US taxes as normal (since I'm a US citizen), but then would I just pay the difference to Spain based on their tax rates? Like if I would owe Spain €45,000 in taxes but already paid $38,000 to the IRS, would I just pay Spain the difference? Also, I've heard something about a special deduction in Spain of around €60,100 for foreign income? Would that apply to my salary since I'm employed by a US company? Sorry for all the questions, but international taxation is making my head spin!
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Reina Salazar
You're tackling a complex international tax situation! Let me help break this down. When you're potentially a tax resident of both countries, the Double Tax Treaty (DTT) between the US and Spain has "tie-breaker" rules to determine your primary tax residence. However, as a US citizen, you'll always have US tax filing obligations regardless of where you live. For Spain, yes - if you're there 183+ days, you'll likely be considered a tax resident. But there's good news! Spain offers the "Special Tax Regime" (sometimes called Beckham Law) for new tax residents, which might allow you to be taxed only on Spanish-source income for your first 6 years there. This could be very beneficial in your situation. About the €60,100 exemption - you're referring to the foreign earned income exclusion, but that's actually a US tax provision (Form 2555), not a Spanish one. Spain has different mechanisms for avoiding double taxation. For tax credits, generally, you'd pay taxes to the country where the income is sourced, then claim a foreign tax credit in the other country to avoid double taxation.
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Dallas Villalobos
•Thanks so much for the detailed response! I had no idea about this "Beckham Law" thing - that sounds promising. Do you know if I need to apply for that before I move to Spain or can I do it once I'm already there? And does it matter that I have dual citizenship including Spanish citizenship? Also, I'm confused about the €60,100 exemption. I thought I read somewhere that Spain has something like this specifically for employees of foreign companies working in Spain. Is that completely different from the US foreign earned income exclusion?
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Reina Salazar
•You need to apply for the Beckham Law (Special Tax Regime) within six months of registering with the Spanish authorities as a resident. Having Spanish citizenship unfortunately makes you ineligible for the Beckham Law - it's designed for foreigners moving to Spain, not returning Spanish nationals with dual citizenship. What you're likely thinking of is the Spanish exemption for work performed abroad, which can exempt income for days actually worked outside of Spain. It's different from the US Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Since you'll be working remotely for a US employer while physically in Spain, that income would generally be considered Spanish-source income for Spanish tax purposes.
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Saanvi Krishnaswami
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Demi Lagos
•How does this service actually work with Spanish taxes though? Spain's tax system is notoriously complicated especially for autonomos. Does it handle regional differences too? I live in Catalunya and the rules seem different than Madrid.
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Mason Lopez
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Saanvi Krishnaswami
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Demi Lagos
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Vera Visnjic
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Jake Sinclair
•How does this even work? So they're just sitting on hold for you? Seems like something that shouldn't be necessary if the IRS was properly funded...
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Mason Lopez
•This sounds like a scam. How do they get priority access to IRS agents when regular people can't get through? Are they paying off IRS employees or something? I find it hard to believe they can magically solve the hold time problem.
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Mason Lopez
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Brielle Johnson
As someone who's been living between Spain and the US for years, I should point out that your banking situation will get complicated fast. Spanish banks are increasingly refusing accounts to US citizens because of FATCA reporting requirements. Even with dual citizenship, you might face issues. Make sure you file your FBAR forms reporting foreign bank accounts if you have more than $10k total across all non-US accounts at any point during the year. Penalties for not filing these are insane - can be higher than the account balance itself!
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Dallas Villalobos
•Thank you for bringing this up - I hadn't even thought about the banking issues! Do you have recommendations for specific Spanish banks that are more friendly to US citizens? And is the FBAR filing separate from my regular tax return?
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Brielle Johnson
•Santander and BBVA have been the most accommodating for US citizens in my experience, though you'll still need to fill out extra paperwork. Smaller regional banks tend to just refuse service entirely once they hear "US citizen" because they don't want to deal with the FATCA headaches. Yes, FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) is completely separate from your tax return. It's filed electronically directly with FinCEN, not with the IRS, and has a different deadline (though it's typically automatically extended to October now). You'll also need to report your accounts on Form 8938 with your regular tax return if you meet the higher thresholds for that form - it's redundant but both are required.
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Honorah King
Don't forget to look into Spain's Wealth Tax (Impuesto sobre el Patrimonio) which doesn't exist in the US! Depending on which autonomous community you'll live in, you might be taxed on your worldwide assets above a certain threshold. Madrid exempts it entirely but Catalunya and others can charge up to 3.5% on high-value assets!
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Oliver Brown
•This is crucial advice. I moved to Valencia and was shocked when I had to pay wealth tax on my US investments and property. The US-Spain tax treaty doesn't prevent this either. Each region has different rules - definitely research your specific autonomous community's approach.
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StarSailor}
This is exactly the kind of complex dual-citizenship tax situation that trips up so many people! A few additional considerations for your Spain move: Since you mentioned Barcelona specifically, keep in mind that Catalunya has some of the highest regional tax rates in Spain - your combined national + regional income tax could reach 47% on higher income brackets. This is significantly higher than what you'd pay in many US states. Also, working remotely for a US company while physically in Spain creates some employment law complexities beyond just taxes. Spain's labor laws might consider you a local employee if you're working primarily from Spanish territory, which could affect your employment classification and benefits. One thing that might help: document very carefully where you're physically located each day and what work you perform in each location. This record-keeping will be crucial for both countries' tax authorities and can help optimize your tax position under the treaty's tie-breaker rules. Have you considered consulting with a cross-border tax specialist who works specifically with US-Spain situations? The investment usually pays for itself given how complex these dual-residency scenarios can get.
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QuantumQuest
•This is really helpful context about Catalunya's tax rates - I hadn't realized they could be that high! The employment law angle is something I definitely need to research more. When you mention documenting where I'm physically located each day, is there a specific format or level of detail that's recommended? Also, do you have any recommendations for cross-border tax specialists who work with US-Spain cases? I'm starting to realize this is way more complicated than I initially thought, especially with the potential employment classification issues you mentioned.
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Evelyn Kelly
Welcome to the world of international tax complexity! As someone who's navigated similar dual-citizenship scenarios, I can tell you this is definitely one of those situations where getting professional help upfront saves you major headaches (and money) later. A few key points to add to the excellent advice already shared: **Social Security contributions**: Don't forget about this! If you're working for a US company but physically in Spain, you might need to pay into Spain's social security system (Seguridad Social) depending on how your employment is structured. The US-Spain totalization agreement can help prevent double contributions, but you need to file the right forms. **Modelo 720**: Spain requires residents to report foreign assets over certain thresholds (€50k for bank accounts, €20k for securities, €20k for real estate). The penalties for not filing or errors are severe - sometimes exceeding the asset values themselves. **US state taxes**: Make sure to properly establish non-residency in your current US state before moving. Some states (like California) are notoriously aggressive about claiming you're still a resident even after you move abroad. For documentation, keep detailed records of: physical presence days in each country, where you perform work activities, flight receipts, rental agreements, utility bills, and any ties to each country (bank accounts, gym memberships, etc.). Both tax authorities may scrutinize this during audits. The investment in proper cross-border tax planning is absolutely worth it given the potential penalties and optimization opportunities in your situation.
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Maria Gonzalez
•This is incredibly comprehensive - thank you! The social security contributions aspect is something I completely overlooked. Do you know if the US-Spain totalization agreement requires advance paperwork, or can it be applied retroactively if I mess up the timing? The Modelo 720 requirements sound terrifying given those penalty amounts. Is this something that needs to be filed annually, and does it include things like my 401k and IRA balances from the US? For the state tax piece, I'm currently in Texas (no state income tax), so I'm hoping that makes the non-residency establishment easier. But I'll definitely document everything carefully as you suggest. One more question - when you mention "proper cross-border tax planning," are there specific certifications or credentials I should look for in a tax advisor? I want to make sure I'm working with someone who really knows both systems inside and out, not just someone who claims to handle international taxes.
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Zoe Gonzalez
I've been through a similar dual-citizenship situation (US/Italy) and can share some hard-learned lessons that might help you navigate this complex scenario. First, regarding professional help - look for tax advisors with specific credentials like the CPA designation in the US plus either enrollment to practice before the IRS (Enrolled Agent) or membership in organizations like the American Institute of CPAs' International Tax section. On the Spanish side, you want someone who's a registered "asesor fiscal" or works with a "gestoría" that specializes in expat taxes. The key is finding someone who regularly handles US-Spain cases, not just general international tax work. A few additional considerations that haven't been mentioned yet: **Tax treaty tie-breaker rules**: Even though you'll be spending 183+ days in Spain, the treaty looks at your "center of vital interests" - where your personal and economic relations are closer. Your continued US employment and family ties might actually keep you as a US tax resident under the treaty, even if Spain considers you a resident too. **Spanish tax residency timing**: Spain's 183-day rule isn't just about the current year - they also look at your intentions and circumstances. If you're planning to stay long-term for family reasons, they might consider you a resident even if you spend slightly less than 183 days there in your first year. **Remote work complications**: Since you'll be working remotely for a US company while in Spain, make sure your employer is aware. They might need to register as an employer in Spain or adjust your tax withholdings. Some companies require employees to work from specific countries due to compliance issues. The documentation advice others gave is spot-on - I kept a detailed spreadsheet tracking not just location but also work activities, client meetings (even virtual ones), and personal activities that showed ties to each country. This became invaluable during my tax consultations. One final tip: start this process early! Getting all the paperwork sorted, opening Spanish bank accounts, and establishing your tax strategy should ideally happen before you make the move, not after you're already trying to figure out what you owe to whom.
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Mei Wong
•This is incredibly helpful advice, especially about the treaty tie-breaker rules! I hadn't considered that my US employment and family ties might actually work in my favor for treaty purposes. The timing point about Spanish tax residency based on intentions is particularly concerning - since I'm explicitly moving to be closer to aging grandparents and planning to stay "at least 183 days," that probably signals long-term intent to Spanish authorities. Your point about employer compliance is something I definitely need to address proactively. I should probably have a conversation with my company's HR and legal teams before making any commitments to the move. The last thing I want is to put my employer in a difficult position or risk my job because of compliance issues I didn't anticipate. The spreadsheet tracking approach sounds like exactly what I need to implement. Do you have any recommendations for specific categories to track beyond location and work activities? I'm thinking things like where I receive mail, where my doctors/dentists are, gym memberships, etc. might also be relevant for establishing ties to each country. Starting early is great advice - I was hoping to move sometime in Q2 next year, so I've got some time to get organized. Thank you for sharing your experience!
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Yuki Kobayashi
One critical aspect that hasn't been fully addressed yet is the potential impact on your Spanish inheritance and gift tax obligations as a dual citizen. Since you mentioned you're moving to be closer to aging grandparents, this is particularly relevant. Spain has very different inheritance tax rules compared to the US, and as a Spanish citizen who becomes a tax resident, you could face Spanish inheritance tax on worldwide inherited assets - not just Spanish ones. The rates and exemptions vary dramatically by autonomous community (Catalunya where you're planning to move has some of the highest rates), and there's no equivalent to the US federal estate tax exemption. Additionally, if your grandparents or other family members plan to gift you money while you're a Spanish resident, Spain's gift tax could apply immediately. The US-Spain tax treaty doesn't provide much relief for these transfer taxes. Here's what I'd recommend adding to your planning checklist: **Before you move**: Have detailed conversations with family members about any planned gifts or inheritance timing. Sometimes it makes sense to accelerate or delay certain transfers based on your residency status. **Document your move date precisely**: Your Spanish inheritance tax obligations can depend on when you became a Spanish tax resident, so having clear documentation of your residency change date is crucial. **Consider the 10-year rule**: Spain can claim inheritance tax on Spanish citizens for up to 10 years after they cease being Spanish tax residents, so this isn't just about your immediate move but could affect you long-term. Given the family situation that's motivating your move, I'd strongly recommend including an estate planning attorney who understands both US and Spanish transfer tax rules in your advisory team, not just income tax specialists.
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Annabel Kimball
•This inheritance tax angle is something I completely overlooked - thank you for bringing this up! Given that my grandparents are getting older and this is actually the main reason for my move, I really need to understand these implications. A few specific questions: When you mention Catalunya having some of the highest inheritance tax rates, do you know roughly what we're talking about? And does it matter that I'm a dual citizen versus just a US citizen who becomes a Spanish tax resident? The 10-year rule you mentioned sounds particularly concerning. Does that mean if I eventually move back to the US permanently, I could still be subject to Spanish inheritance tax for a decade? That seems like it could create some serious long-term planning complications. I'm also wondering about the timing aspect you mentioned. If there are any planned family financial arrangements, would it generally be better to handle those before I establish Spanish tax residency, or are there situations where waiting might be advantageous? The idea of adding an estate planning attorney to my team makes a lot of sense given these complexities. Do you have suggestions for finding someone with specific US-Spain transfer tax expertise, or should I be looking for separate specialists in each country who can coordinate? This is definitely making me realize I need to have some potentially difficult conversations with my family about financial planning before I make this move.
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