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Lauren Johnson

U.S./Greece Dual Citizenship Tax Treaty: Reporting Worldwide Income

Hey folks! I'm in a bit of a sticky situation with my dual US/Greece citizenship and could really use some advice from anyone who's been there. I've been living full-time in Greece for a couple years now, but my work is all online with clients based in the US. I've always paid my estimated taxes to the US and filed my annual returns as an American living abroad. The thing is, I just found out that since I'm technically a tax resident of Greece, I'm supposed to declare my **worldwide** income to the Greek tax authorities too, even though all my money comes from American sources! 😩 I know there's a tax treaty between the US and Greece to prevent double taxation, but I'm confused about how it actually works in practice. When I file my US taxes, I get a summary sheet from my accountant showing my federal adjusted gross income, my federal taxable income, and what I owe or get refunded. My big question is: According to this tax treaty, will the Greek government look at my **federal adjusted gross income** OR my **federal taxable income** when determining what I've already paid? I'm worried that even after paying my US taxes, I'll still owe a bunch more to Greece since their tax rates seem higher overall: GREECE: 0-10,000 = 9% | 10,001-20,000 = 22% (euros) US: $14,600 or less = 10% | $14,601 to $58,575 = 12% Has anyone navigated this particular maze before? I'm trying to budget properly for next year and don't want to get blindsided!

Jade Santiago

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This is a common situation for dual citizens! The US-Greece tax treaty does help prevent double taxation, but you still need to file in both countries. First, Greece will primarily look at your tax residency status, which is determined by factors like physical presence (183+ days), permanent home, and center of vital interests. Since you live there full-time, you're definitely a Greek tax resident. When filing Greek taxes, you'll report your worldwide income, but you can claim a foreign tax credit for taxes already paid to the US on that same income. Greece will generally look at your federal taxable income that was actually subject to US tax. However, deductions available in the US might not be recognized in Greece. The treaty provides specific rules for different types of income (employment, dividends, royalties, etc.). If your income is considered US-sourced under the treaty definitions, you might qualify for reduced taxation in Greece. Keep in mind that Greece and the US calculate taxable income differently. The US has more generous deductions, which means your Greek taxable income might be higher even with the same gross income. I'd recommend finding an accountant familiar with both US and Greek tax systems who can help optimize your situation.

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Caleb Stone

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So does this mean I could potentially owe nothing extra to Greece if the US tax I paid equals or exceeds what Greece would have charged on the same income? Or do the different calculation methods mean I'll always owe something to Greece regardless? Also, do you know if Greece recognizes the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion that the US allows? I've heard conflicting things.

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Jade Santiago

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You could potentially owe nothing extra to Greece if your US tax liability equals or exceeds what Greece would charge on the same income. This is the basic principle of the foreign tax credit system. However, in practice, because Greece typically has higher tax rates and fewer deductions than the US, most dual citizens end up owing some additional tax to Greece. Greece does not recognize the US Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. This is actually a key point of confusion for many dual citizens. If you use the FEIE on your US return to exclude income from US taxation, you can't claim a foreign tax credit in Greece for taxes you didn't actually pay to the US. This often results in paying full Greek taxes on that excluded income.

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Daniel Price

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Zoey Bianchi

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How does this actually work? Do they have some special access to Greek tax authorities or something? I've been emailing the tax office for weeks with no response.

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This sounds sketchy tbh. Why would I pay a service to call the tax office for me? Can't you just keep calling until you get through? And how would they even help with Greek authorities - I thought they were a US service?

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Aiden Chen

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Well I take back what I said before. I finally broke down and tried Claimyr after another failed attempt to reach the Greek tax office myself. Within 35 minutes, I was talking to an actual tax specialist who spoke English! The person I reached explained that I needed to file a specific form with my Greek tax return that references the US-Greece tax treaty Article 23 (relief from double taxation). This wasn't mentioned anywhere on the tax authority website. They also clarified that I needed to convert my US tax documents to euros using the exchange rate on the last day of the tax year, which I had been doing incorrectly. No wonder my previous filings had been flagged for review! Definitely saved me from making the same mistakes again this year.

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As someone who's been dealing with US/Greece taxes for 5+ years, here's what I've learned: 1) Find an accountant who specializes in BOTH systems. Most US accountants don't understand Greek taxes and vice versa. 2) Greece generally looks at your US taxable income, but they recalculate according to Greek rules. So all those nice US deductions might not help you in Greece. 3) Timing matters! US tax year is Jan-Dec but filing is in April, while Greek filing deadlines change every year (usually summer). This timing gap can create exchange rate headaches. 4) Keep track of the US-Greece tax treaty tiebreaker rules in case either country questions your residency status. 5) For online work, document which clients are US-based vs elsewhere since that can affect sourcing rules. Good luck! It gets easier after the first couple years once you have a system in place.

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Do you have any recommendations for accountants who understand both systems? I've been using separate accountants for each country, which is getting expensive and they sometimes give contradictory advice.

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I actually found my accountant through the American-Hellenic Chamber of Commerce. They maintain a list of professionals who specialize in cross-border taxation. Also check with any expat groups in your area of Greece - word of mouth is how most people find the good ones. I definitely recommend finding someone who can handle both returns. Having separate accountants led to problems for me too because neither understood how their work affected the other country's return. My current accountant is Greek but worked in the US for several years, so she understands both systems and how they interact.

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Grace Johnson

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Something nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're also reporting your Greek bank accounts on your FBAR if they exceed $10,000 total! The penalties for not filing FBAR are ridiculous (like $10k+ per violation). Also watch out for PFIC rules if you've invested in any Greek investment funds. The US tax treatment is brutally complicated and can result in higher taxes.

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Jayden Reed

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Is there a minimum threshold for reporting Greek income to the US? I have a small rental property in Greece that only generates about €4,500 per year. Do I still need to report that on my US taxes even though it's below the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion limit?

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Mei Chen

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Yes, you absolutely need to report that rental income to the US! There's no minimum threshold for reporting foreign income to the US. The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion only applies to earned income (wages, salary, self-employment), not passive income like rental property. Your €4,500 rental income needs to be reported on Schedule E of your US tax return, converted to USD using the average exchange rate for the year. You'll also need to report any expenses related to the property. Don't forget that if you have a Greek bank account where the rental income is deposited, that account counts toward your FBAR reporting threshold too. The US wants to know about ALL foreign income, regardless of amount.

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