How do US tax treaties handle differences in income classification between countries? (Capital gains vs ordinary income)
So I'm in a potentially good situation but not sure how it works with US tax treaties. I live in Country B which has a tax treaty with the US to prevent double taxation. Here's my situation: I've got some income that the US classifies as ordinary income, but Country B treats it as capital gains. The capital gains tax rate in Country B is way lower than both their regular income tax AND lower than US tax rates for either category. I'm already paying the capital gains tax to Country B, but I'm confused about what the US will expect. Will the IRS make me pay the difference up to what would be owed on ordinary income in the US? Or will they respect Country B's classification and just make me pay the difference up to US capital gains rates? I know this is super specific and probably depends on the exact wording in the tax treaty between these countries. But I'm wondering if there are general principles about how these classification differences are typically handled. Some types of income just get categorized differently depending on which country you're in, and I'm trying to understand if I'll owe a lot more to the IRS than I'm expecting.
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Connor Murphy
The general rule is that the US applies its own tax laws and classifications to your income, regardless of how a foreign country treats it. This is known as the "savings clause" that appears in most US tax treaties. When you file your US tax return, you'll need to report this income according to US tax rules - so if it's ordinary income under US tax law, you report it as ordinary income. However, you can claim a foreign tax credit for taxes paid to Country B on that same income, even if Country B classified it differently. The foreign tax credit is generally limited to the amount of US tax you would owe on that foreign income. So if Country B's capital gains rate is lower than the US ordinary income rate, you'll likely need to pay the difference to the US. Some treaties have specific provisions for certain types of income, so it's worth checking the specific treaty between the US and Country B. The IRS Publication 901 (U.S. Tax Treaties) might be helpful, or the actual text of the treaty available on the IRS website.
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Lucy Taylor
•Thanks for the explanation. So to clarify - if I pay 15% capital gains tax to Country B on income that the US considers ordinary income (taxed at say 24%), I would owe the difference (9%) to the US? And what about foreign tax credit limitations by income category? Does it matter that I paid capital gains tax on what the US considers ordinary income?
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Connor Murphy
•Yes, that's generally correct. If you pay 15% capital gains tax to Country B on income that the US considers ordinary income at 24%, you would likely owe the 9% difference to the US. Regarding foreign tax credit limitations, the US categorizes foreign taxes into separate "baskets" - generally passive category income and general category income. The classification by the foreign country doesn't control which basket your foreign taxes fall into for US purposes. What matters is how the US classifies that income. So if the US considers your income to be ordinary (general category), that's the basket your foreign tax credits would go into, regardless of Country B calling it capital gains.
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Amelia Dietrich
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Noah Irving
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Vanessa Chang
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Madison King
One important point no one has mentioned yet is the "saving clause" in most US tax treaties. This clause basically preserves the US right to tax its citizens and residents as if the treaty didn't exist in many cases. Because of this, US citizens often can't use many treaty benefits that would reduce US tax. There are exceptions to the saving clause, but they're specific and limited. This is why the US might still fully tax your income according to US rules regardless of how the foreign country treats it. Check Article 1 of your specific treaty to see the saving clause and its exceptions. This could completely change your tax situation.
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Lucy Taylor
•This is really helpful - I had no idea about the saving clause. Does this mean most treaty benefits don't even apply to US citizens? Are there any common exceptions that might help in a situation with income classification differences?
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Madison King
•Most treaty benefits that would reduce US tax don't apply to US citizens because of the saving clause. You're right to be concerned. The common exceptions that might still help you typically include foreign social security benefits, certain pension income, students/teachers/researchers on temporary assignment, and diplomatic personnel. A few treaties have more generous exceptions. Unfortunately, general income classification differences usually aren't excepted from the saving clause, which means the US will likely tax the income according to US rules regardless of the treaty.
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Julian Paolo
I'm shocked nobody mentioned Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure). If you're taking any position on your US tax return based on a treaty that differs from how the income would normally be treated under US tax law, you MUST file this form. Failing to file Form 8833 when required can result in a $1,000 penalty ($10,000 for corporations). This is especially important if you're claiming that a treaty overrides how the US would normally classify your income.
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Ella Knight
•But aren't there exceptions to having to file Form 8833? I thought there were some common treaty positions where disclosure wasn't required? The instructions seem to list quite a few exceptions.
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