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Aisha Abdullah

How to claim investment loss on First Republic Bank stocks that I never sold?

I'm in a bit of a pickle with my First Republic Bank stocks. I invested around $5.5k and now the bank's been acquired, but I never actually sold my shares. I've been trying to figure out how to claim this loss on my taxes since technically I still "own" the worthless shares. When I tried to fill out Schedule D, it seems like I need to list every transaction, but since I never sold, I'm not sure what to put. Someone suggested I should just use December 31st of last year as a sell date (even though that's not true). That seems sketchy though. I did try to sell them recently but the trading platform won't let me use market price - it's forcing me to enter a limit price which I don't really understand. I have no clue what number to put in to sell all my shares. Does anyone know the right way to handle claiming a loss on stocks that basically went to zero but weren't technically sold? I'd really appreciate any guidance on this and the whole limit price thing too. Thanks!

What you're dealing with is a special situation called a "worthless security" claim. Since First Republic Bank was acquired by JPMorgan Chase in May 2023, your shares weren't technically worthless - they were converted to JPMorgan shares at a specific ratio. You have three options: 1. If you received JP Morgan shares in the acquisition, you haven't actually realized a loss yet. Your cost basis transfers to the new shares. 2. If your shares became completely worthless, you can claim them as a capital loss in the year they became worthless (2023). You would report this on Schedule D, using December 31, 2023 as the date of worthlessness and $0 as the sales price. 3. If you're trying to sell shares now through a limit order, you need to look up the current market price of the security and set your limit price at or slightly below that price if you want to sell quickly. Remember that capital losses can offset capital gains plus up to $3,000 of ordinary income per year, with remaining losses carried forward to future years.

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Thanks for the detailed explanation. So if I understand correctly, if I did receive JPMorgan shares in the conversion, my original cost basis would just transfer over? How would I know if that happened? I honestly haven't been paying much attention to my account since the whole thing went down. Also, if I did get JPMorgan shares but they're worth significantly less than my original investment, is there any way to claim that partial loss?

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You should check your brokerage account statements or transaction history from around May 2023 - you would have received some notification about the acquisition and what happened to your shares. If you received JPMorgan shares, they would appear in your portfolio, replacing the First Republic shares. If you did receive JPMorgan shares in the conversion, your original cost basis would indeed transfer over to these new shares. You wouldn't be able to claim a loss until you actually sell the JPMorgan shares. The tax code doesn't allow you to claim a "partial loss" while still holding the replacement security - you need a realization event (like selling) to trigger the capital loss.

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Saw a lot of comments here but wanted to add something important: You need to be careful about the date you claim the security became worthless. For First Republic, the FDIC took it over on May 1, 2023, so technically that would be the date of worthlessness, not December 31. Also, if you received any compensation as part of the JPMorgan acquisition, even pennies on the dollar, you'd need to report that as proceeds rather than $0. The IRS is pretty strict about documentation for worthless security claims because they get abused a lot. I'd recommend either getting documentation from your broker confirming the shares became worthless or have proof you received minimal/no compensation in the acquisition.

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Thanks for pointing that out. So should I use May 1, 2023 as the date on Schedule D instead of December 31? And what if my broker doesn't provide any specific documentation about worthlessness? When I log into my account, I can see the shares but they just show a very minimal value (like $4 total now vs my $5.5k investment).

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Yes, using May 1, 2023 (or whatever date your specific shares were affected) would be more accurate than December 31st. The IRS prefers actual dates when possible. For documentation, print out or save PDF statements showing the value before and after. If your shares show a minimal value rather than zero, you technically haven't had a complete worthless security event - you would need to actually sell those nearly worthless shares to claim the loss. That's likely why your broker is asking for a limit price - they need you to execute an actual sale to dispose of those low-value shares. I'd recommend setting a limit price at or slightly below the current shown value (the $4 you mentioned) to ensure the order executes. Once sold, you'll have an actual realized loss you can claim on your taxes without any gray areas.

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Has anyone actually used TurboTax to handle this kind of situation? I'm trying to figure out where exactly to enter this in the software and it's not very clear.

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In TurboTax, you'd go to the investments section and select "Stocks, Mutual Funds, Bonds, Other" and then choose "I'll enter my investment income." When you get to the capital gains section, you can enter it as a regular stock sale but with $0 (or whatever minimal amount you received) as the proceeds. In the description field, make sure to write "Worthless security - First Republic Bank" as others have suggested.

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I went through something very similar with my Credit Suisse shares when they collapsed. The key thing I learned is that you need to determine whether you actually received anything in the acquisition or if your shares truly became worthless. For First Republic specifically, most retail shareholders received minimal compensation (often just a few cents per share) when JPMorgan acquired the bank. If this happened to you, you'd report it as an actual sale transaction on Schedule D - use the actual acquisition date (May 1, 2023), your original cost basis as the purchase price, and whatever minimal amount you received as the sale proceeds. However, if your shares genuinely became completely worthless with zero compensation, then you can claim them as worthless securities. The IRS allows you to treat the worthless security as if you sold it on the last day of the tax year it became worthless. Check your brokerage statements from May 2023 carefully - there should be some record of what happened to your First Republic shares. Most brokers sent out detailed notices about the acquisition process. If you can't find this info, call your broker directly - they're required to have records of corporate actions like this. The limit order issue you're having suggests your shares still have some minimal trading value, which means you haven't had a true "worthless security" event yet. You'd need to actually execute that sale to realize the loss for tax purposes.

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