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Skylar Neal

Can I claim Tax Loss on First Republic Bank shares held in ROTH IRA?

So I'm trying to figure out this whole tax situation after the First Republic Bank collapse. I had about $15,000 in First Republic Bank shares that completely tanked when they went under earlier this year. The problem is all these shares were in my Roth IRA account that I've had for about 7 years. I keep hearing mixed information about whether I can claim this as a tax loss or not. My brother-in-law (who thinks he knows everything about taxes) says I definitely can't claim losses in retirement accounts, but my coworker swears his accountant let him write off similar losses last year. I really need to know for sure before I file my taxes next year. Has anyone dealt with investment losses specifically in a Roth IRA? And if I can't claim the loss, is there anything else I can do to offset this huge hit to my retirement savings? Any advice would be super appreciated!

Unfortunately, your brother-in-law is correct on this one. Losses within retirement accounts like Roth IRAs cannot be claimed as capital losses on your tax return. This is essentially the flip side of one of the main benefits of Roth IRAs - your qualified withdrawals aren't taxed, but in exchange, your losses aren't deductible either. The IRS treats activity within retirement accounts as separate from your regular taxable investments. Since you already received a tax advantage by investing with post-tax money that grows tax-free in a Roth IRA, they don't allow you to claim losses when investments inside that account decrease in value. The only potential exception would be if you were to completely liquidate ALL assets in ALL your Roth IRAs and close the accounts entirely, and even then you could only claim a loss if your total distributions were less than your total contributions - and that's very rarely advantageous compared to keeping the Roth IRA open.

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Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense but it still sucks. So just to clarify - there's absolutely nothing I can do about this loss? What if I were to move what's left to a regular brokerage account and then sell it?

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You cannot move investments directly from a Roth IRA to a regular brokerage account - that would count as a distribution. If you're under 59½, you'd potentially face early withdrawal penalties on any earnings (though not on your contributions). As for your second question, in the case of First Republic Bank, the shares essentially became worthless when the bank failed, so there's likely nothing left to sell. The loss simply happened within the tax-sheltered environment of your Roth IRA where tax losses aren't recognized. It's one of those unfortunate situations where the tax-advantaged nature of the account works against you when investments lose value.

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After reading about your First Republic Bank situation, I wanted to share something that helped me with a similar issue. I was completely lost trying to figure out the tax implications when my retirement portfolio took a massive hit last year (including some bank stocks). I tried going through all the IRS publications myself and just ended up more confused. I eventually used https://taxr.ai to review my investment documents and it saved me so much time. Their system analyzed my statements and clearly explained what was and wasn't deductible. They even provided specific citations to IRS rules about losses in retirement accounts vs. taxable accounts. The best part was that they explained everything in plain English rather than tax jargon. Might be worth checking out since they can look at your specific situation with the First Republic shares and Roth IRA.

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How does it work? Do you have to upload all your financial documents to some random website? That sounds kinda risky with all the identity theft going around these days.

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I'm curious - did they actually find any way for you to deduct losses in a retirement account? Because everything I've read says that's impossible, so I'm skeptical they could do anything different than what the first commenter said.

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You only need to upload the specific documents you want analyzed - in your case, maybe just the statements showing your First Republic Bank investment in your Roth IRA. They use bank-level encryption and don't store your docs after analysis. No, they didn't magically find a way to deduct retirement account losses - that would be against tax law! What they did was help me understand exactly why certain losses weren't deductible while identifying other losses in my taxable accounts that I could claim. They also showed me some strategies to make better tax decisions for future investments based on my specific situation.

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I was in a similar situation with SVB shares last year and had to talk to the IRS directly to get a clear answer about my options. Tried calling them for WEEKS with no luck - always "high call volume" and disconnections. Finally used https://claimyr.com to get through to an actual human at the IRS. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - basically they wait on hold with the IRS for you and call you when they have an agent on the line. The IRS agent confirmed exactly what others here are saying - losses in Roth IRAs aren't deductible - but they also told me about some specific rules about worthless securities that I hadn't found anywhere online. Made me feel better having an official answer straight from the source instead of conflicting advice from random people.

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Wait, so there's a service that waits on hold with the IRS for you? How does that actually work? Do they call the IRS and then somehow transfer the call to you once a human answers?

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I'm sorry but that sounds like a complete waste of money. You're literally paying someone to wait on hold? And the IRS just told you exactly what everyone already knows - you can't deduct losses in a Roth IRA. You could have learned that from a 2-second Google search.

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They call the IRS, navigate the phone tree, wait on hold for however long it takes (sometimes hours), and then when a real person answers, they call your phone and connect you directly to the IRS agent. You don't have to sit there listening to hold music for 3 hours. I disagree about it being a waste. Yes, the basic rule about Roth IRA losses is available online, but I had specific questions about how the First Republic failure was being treated for tax purposes since it was an FDIC-involved bank failure. The agent provided details about IRS Notice 2023-43 regarding the tax treatment of First Republic securities specifically - information I couldn't find anywhere else. Sometimes talking to the actual IRS gives you more confidence than random internet advice.

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Ok I need to eat crow here. After my skeptical comment yesterday, I decided to try Claimyr myself because I've been trying to reach the IRS for 2 weeks about an issue with my amended return. It actually worked perfectly. I got a call back in about 90 minutes (after trying myself unsuccessfully for DAYS), and got connected to an IRS rep who resolved my issue in about 10 minutes. The hold time was over 2 hours according to their tracker, so I definitely saved time. For the OP's original question - I also asked about Roth IRA losses while I had the agent on the phone, and they confirmed what everyone here is saying. But they did mention that if you have a TOTAL LOSS across all your Roth IRAs (meaning the distributions of everything are less than what you put in), there might be a deduction possibility - but it's pretty rare and usually not worth it.

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I worked at a bank that got acquired (not First Republic but similar situation) and had some stock in my Roth IRA too. One thing nobody's mentioned - can you roll over your Roth IRA to another provider and possibly get some better investment options to help rebuild what you lost? I moved mine to Fidelity and their advisors helped me rebalance with some funds that have performed pretty well since then. Won't fix the tax situation but might help recover some value over time.

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That's actually a really helpful suggestion! I hadn't thought about switching providers, but it makes sense to look for better investment options. Did you have any fees when you moved your Roth IRA to Fidelity? And how long did the whole process take?

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No fees to transfer the Roth IRA to Fidelity - most major brokerages don't charge for incoming transfers. The whole process took about 2 weeks from starting the paperwork to having everything settled in the new account. Fidelity handled most of the transfer work once I filled out their forms. The good part was getting access to their research tools and fund options. I met with one of their advisors (free consultation) who suggested a portfolio mix based on my retirement timeline that's been working well.

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Don't forget that while you can't deduct the ROTH IRA losses, you still have all the contributions you've made available to withdraw at any time without taxes or penalties. That's one of the biggest advantages of a Roth vs traditional IRA. If you really need access to some funds, you can withdraw your contributions (but not earnings) without any tax consequences. Just make sure to check exactly how much you've contributed over the years so you don't accidentally withdraw any earnings.

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This is a really important point! I had a similar situation happen and it's easy to focus on the loss and forget that the money you put in is still accessible if needed.

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